73Tmeyer there is a battery in mine. 10 gallons of gas alone is 70lbs. Add engine oil and any other fluids I think those Cats are more like 60 maybe 70 lbs more. The 1100 Turbo is even heavier. Not for me. Again, I don't care how you do it, I would love to have an accurate easy to confirm weight for each sled. Wouldn't that be a great job for a magazine that does the group test anyway. Apples to apples to apples. Along with a test ride and some other data that would really help me decide what sled to buy in the spring when the best deal can be had. I wouldn't buy solely on weight alone but that is important to me and it shouldn't be so hard to come by an accurate number.