2011 DURAMAX

[Iceman56]

I'm doubting that! @ least its all built by Ford. No out sourcing of the engine/tranny. JMHO

LOL you Ford boys getting all riled up cause your truck got out performed once again. You would think you would be used to it by now

You do realize this the first and only in house diesel motor Ford has ever developed??
I also love how all the Ford guys can talk about is the bail out

I am not a brand brat, I was actually hoping the new 6.7 was gonna put a hurting on everything else so GM and Dodge would have to really step it up, but it doesn't look like that is the case I do love Ford's roomy cab and sweet a$$ interior though

 

[barry1me]

First off, I appreciate the real world experience behind your response (not just someone flying off the handle because I may have bashed Ford a little there ). Second, I like to hear the good and the bad about the D-maxes and the Dutys. I know the allison tranny had a front seal problem or somthing like that in some of the older models. Personally I like the way that tranny shifts, gives you the real solid feel. I think you would like a newer Dodge with an automatic, they're very much improved from the old autos, alot more stout. When you use the exhaust brake it gives a bit of an Allison feel when it downshifts, but you dont have to use it of course. As far as the manuals, I havent been in any new 6.7 dodges with one, and Ive never been in a Ford with one. Do they even make GM diesels with a manual?

Also, Ive had my share of issues with my Dodge, but the motor and tranny have given me zero problems

I have driven a few newer 5.9s with suncoast transu in them and I was impressed. I would pick the feel of a newer Dodge auto over an Allison any day. I can't stand how an allison *shifts once you put any kind of power behind it. The Dodge and Ford torqshift have much crisper shifting and don't defuel when between shifts. I put a stage 4 suncoast trans in my one duramax and ran a PPe hot +2 ET tuner and was so disappointed. You can't get an Allison to last without defueling between shifts or it will burn up clutches. I don't care if your brand loyal of not anyone that knows anything about diesels will tell you that the torqshift can handle more power bone stock then any of the other trans's. Once you build a transfer the best transmission is a Dodge auto

 

[JSCC]

I test drove all three diesels back to back in the same day as I am looking for a new truck. I have owned all three brands throughout the 2000's, so brand loyalty means nothing to me. The GMC has not had a truck capable of doing what I want to do with it until now. What they have done with the frame and front ends changes the issues they have, atleast in my opinion. As for the test drive, the truck pulls hard, really hard for a stock truck. Very impressed with the stock power.
As for the interior, WTF? Honestly, if I wanted to drive my grand dads Buick, I would buy one. It is by far the ugliest damn interior I have ever seen in any truck in my thirty plus years! On top of that, do they not think anyone that is over 6' is going to drive the ****in things? My head hit the ceiling with just a ball cap on and the seat all the way down! Or is it the cool thing to have the seat slanted really far back so I look gangster and actually fit?
My 04' Chevy's interior was far and above better looking than this, and I could fit without hitting my head!
Dodge's interior is far and above better than either two. I like the truck but, they are going to be forced to up the power to compete with the other two. It is lacking in comparison.

 

[Skogen]

I drove all three brands not to long ago. All three performed very well.

The Ford has alot of potential. It was the only one out of the three that the rear wheels broke loose shifting into third gear. Felt like i was driving my chevelle. I did not care for how much plastic seemed to be in the Ford.

The duramax was very nice. I think that series motor and the allison is a win/win scenario. Very good setup, truck drove great. Interior was nice, but it was the same interior for the last few years.

I will post pictures tomorrow. But out of the three, i picked up the dodge. I pick it up tomorrow. According to the #'s, dodge is the least powerful of the three, but I love the look of the 2010''s and 11's and the new Laramie interior is just awsome.

 

[carlc]

dodge may be the lowest on the power ratings, but did anyone read the article of ford vs dodge in car and driver magazine. It was a while back but if i remember right, unloaded the dodge got .2 mpg better, was a dead tie in a 1/4 mile drag race. loaded with a 10000 lb trailer, the dodge got like a half mile worse to the gallon and was .3 seconds or something behind the ford. pretty damn close considering ford claims almost 50 horse more. And Dodge has only one fuel tank, not two. I dont have much experience with the new dmax, but i know that i dont like the SCR tank hangin below the frame. WTF are they thinking with that?

 

[Ford428CJ]

LOL you Ford boys getting all riled up cause your truck got out performed once again. You would think you would be used to it by now

You do realize this the first and only in house diesel motor Ford has ever developed??
I also love how all the Ford guys can talk about is the bail out

I am not a brand brat, I was actually hoping the new 6.7 was gonna put a hurting on everything else so GM and Dodge would have to really step it up, but it doesn't look like that is the case I do love Ford's roomy cab and sweet a$$ interior though

Ford has been making Diesels for a loooong time! Your facts are not correct.

 

[Iceman56]

Ford has been making Diesels for a loooong time! Your facts are not correct.

Really??? Name me one..... What did Ford have for a diesel before the 6.9??? Nothing... The 6.9, 7.3, 6.0, and 6.4 were ALL made by INTERNATIONAL NOT ford. The 6.9 was built by International in 1978 and not put into a Ford truck until 1983 so by my math that would be 27 years of International diesel motors in Ford trucks.... Get your facts straight

 

[8summit8]

While Ford has outsourced its pickup diesel engines for 27 years, it has developed its own car diesels in Europe for about as long. What GM guys never talk about is that they didn't have a diesel that could pull with a Ford or Dodge until they outsourced to Isuzu's d-max. We have 2 d-max, 2 cummins, and 2 powerstroke trucks in my group of riding buddies and everyone has agreed the Ford has had the best interior GM has the better ride and the cummins has pulled a little better. I'am a Ford guy and have owned every generation of the Powerstroke and I have been 1-2 mpg worse than the others the last several years, although one of the d-max pickups recorded the worst at 4.5mpg on a bad day. I'am 6'6" tall and the Ford has fit me the best for the last 10 years and call me a redneck but Ford didn't take the bailout and Dodge is foreign made and foreign owned.

 

[sandorsnow]

While Ford has outsourced its pickup diesel engines for 27 years, it has developed its own car diesels in Europe for about as long. What GM guys never talk about is that they didn't have a diesel that could pull with a Ford or Dodge until they outsourced to Isuzu's d-max. We have 2 d-max, 2 cummins, and 2 powerstroke trucks in my group of riding buddies and everyone has agreed the Ford has had the best interior GM has the better ride and the cummins has pulled a little better. I'am a Ford guy and have owned every generation of the Powerstroke and I have been 1-2 mpg worse than the others the last several years, although one of the d-max pickups recorded the worst at 4.5mpg on a bad day. I'am 6'6" tall and the Ford has fit me the best for the last 10 years and call me a redneck but Ford didn't take the bailout and Dodge is foreign made and foreign owned.

Good, honest post 8summit8.

It's true Ford has been developing and their own diesels in cars and trucks in europe for a long long time. They haven't put them in their domestic line because they were able to buy the powerstrokes for so cheap.

I ordered an 01 f350 from the factory and have used and abused it every day of her life, with regular maintenance. I'm self employed so it does double duty, personal daily driver and 12,000lb trailers and job sites are off road. She has 275,000 miles and still purrs like a kitten.

I also have a 97 dodge 3500 dually with over 275,000 and an 01 dodge 2500 with 253,000. Love the motor but the rest of the truck is coming apart at the seams.

I tried a couple of chevy's, but simply couldn't cut it for what i needed it to. Great trucks for the highway, but pulling trailers off road was too much for the truck.

For my next truck: like the d-max but the truck won't work for me. Love the cummins, hopefully they can keep the body and suspension from giving up at 200,000 miles.

Because of my current ford's track record I'd be dumb not to try another one. I wouldn't touch a 6.0 and would have to find a 6.4 for damn cheap, but I think they hit a home run on this new one!

Like snowmobiles they are all great trucks, just depends on what you are going to use it for.

 

[Iceman56]

While Ford has outsourced its pickup diesel engines for 27 years, it has developed its own car diesels in Europe for about as long. What GM guys never talk about is that they didn't have a diesel that could pull with a Ford or Dodge until they outsourced to Isuzu's d-max. We have 2 d-max, 2 cummins, and 2 powerstroke trucks in my group of riding buddies and everyone has agreed the Ford has had the best interior GM has the better ride and the cummins has pulled a little better. I'am a Ford guy and have owned every generation of the Powerstroke and I have been 1-2 mpg worse than the others the last several years, although one of the d-max pickups recorded the worst at 4.5mpg on a bad day. I'am 6'6" tall and the Ford has fit me the best for the last 10 years and call me a redneck but Ford didn't take the bailout and Dodge is foreign made and foreign owned.

None of the big three had a diesel that could pull anything without an out sourced motor.... So what's your point??
I agree the Ford's iinterior is top notch, also agree with the better ride of the GM I think most of that comes from the IFS

 

[8summit8]

None of the big three had a diesel that could pull anything without an out sourced motor.... So what's your point??
I agree the Ford's iinterior is top notch, also agree with the better ride of the GM I think most of that comes from the IFS

In your previous post you stated the Ford guys should be used to getting out performed, but Ford out performed GM hands down from 94-2001. You also stated the 6.7 was Ford's first and only diesel developed in house, you are wrong. Every manufacturer has had problems Ford's 6.0 problems are well documented, GM's first few years with the d-max had issues, Dodges 6.7 had alot of problems, hopefully we will start getting a better product for our $40-$60K, no matter the brand.

 

[ndC7M8]

In your previous post you stated the Ford guys should be used to getting out performed, but Ford out performed GM hands down from 94-2001. You also stated the 6.7 was Ford's first and only diesel developed in house, you are wrong. Every manufacturer has had problems Ford's 6.0 problems are well documented, GM's first few years with the d-max had issues, Dodges 6.7 had alot of problems, hopefully we will start getting a better product for our $40-$60K, no matter the brand.

HUH? Not tryin to be a dick but what all was wrong with that? Couldn't have been too much since they havent changed too much and are the only motor in a pickup that doesn't require DEF yet.....I'm uninformed of any real problems with the 6.7 Cummins other than all the emissions controls DRASTICALLY holding that motor back

 

[IDspud]

My next door neighbor is putting his third 6.7 in next week. Does that count?

 

[8summit8]

I have two cousins with new 6.7 Dodges one has been in the shop for turbo problems DPF problems, lack of power issues, and one has been in the shop once for a minor problem. I was a tech at a Ford/Chrysler dealer several years ago and I stay in touch with my former tech friends at the shop. They were putting in a engine a week for a long time and replacing turbos and DPFs on a regular basis. It all has to do with getting the bugs worked out of the new emission engines.

 

[carlc]

turbo problems and dpf problems are part of the emissions, not the engine. I have talked with the service manager at lithia dodge here in helena, he says that over 90% of their warranty work because of emissions. Im pretty sure that goes for all of the new pickups. After all, if it werent for emissions, dodge cummins would still be mechanical, powerstroke would most likely have the 7.3 and duramax would have stuck with the lb7. Its not the manufacturers faults with all the problems, its the govts.

 

[MGM]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ram will have urea within a year or two, don't their chassis cabs already have them?

And second I certainly don't understand the Chevy IFS and a better ride argument, do you guys that say this have experience or just assume they do. I've driven THREE 08 or newer GM HD's back to back with new Fords in the last couple weeks and to me have not felt any better in the ride, some cases actually felt worse. However all the GM's I drove had at least a few thousand miles on them but still.

In addition I've driven the new Dodge back to back, the dodge was a Laramie with less than 9K miles and the seats already looked like smooth shiny plastic not to mention thin, stitched dash looked nice but everything else felt cheap. Ride was a push, and maybe I'm too used to the new V style diesel engines but damn that think felt like a dog, kept waiting for the power to kick in. However if you're going to stay on the highway all day long and just pull and nothing else the cummins isn't a bad option.

 

[AndrettiDog]

I was going to chime in somewhere after the 5th post, but now I'm lost. Not confused though...no doubt that people are too personal when it comes to their truck's diesel motors. Mine is definetely better though.

 

[ndC7M8]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ram will have urea within a year or two, don't their chassis cabs already have them?

And second I certainly don't understand the Chevy IFS and a better ride argument, do you guys that say this have experience or just assume they do. I've driven THREE 08 or newer GM HD's back to back with new Fords in the last couple weeks and to me have not felt any better in the ride, some cases actually felt worse. However all the GM's I drove had at least a few thousand miles on them but still.

In addition I've driven the new Dodge back to back, the dodge was a Laramie with less than 9K miles and the seats already looked like smooth shiny plastic not to mention thin, stitched dash looked nice but everything else felt cheap. Ride was a push, and maybe I'm too used to the new V style diesel engines but damn that think felt like a dog, kept waiting for the power to kick in. However if you're going to stay on the highway all day long and just pull and nothing else the cummins isn't a bad option.

I will totally agree all day long that Dodge interiors are junk compared to others. My seats are dirty and impossible to clean, my driver seat is torn and I can feel the steel base of the seat through the whole, uncomfy as hell, but I love my Dodge diesels like crazy tho. The newest model Dodges have amazing interiors tho. huge improvement. As far as bein doggy, the 6.7s are terrible because of all the emissions restricting them. Ride in a Dodge thats had all that junk removed and its a world of difference. No EGR cooler and the junk that goes with that, no DPF, no Catylitic converter, no muffler, no problems. just takes a few resistors in-line with the 3 O2 sensors to fool the pickup, and one pressure sensor too. cant remember what the EGR delete all entails but its not difficult and its like a completely different machine.
All in all, the emissions controls are what cause the motors to have problems, and when the emissions stop working, the engine throws codes and defuels i believe. they'll run like **** if you dont get the dpf recharged or whatever you do and thats what wrecks the motors. At least the motors are good enough that they dont already need DEF injection already

 

[Iceman56]

In your previous post you stated the Ford guys should be used to getting out performed, but Ford out performed GM hands down from 94-2001. You also stated the 6.7 was Ford's first and only diesel developed in house, you are wrong. Every manufacturer has had problems Ford's 6.0 problems are well documented, GM's first few years with the d-max had issues, Dodges 6.7 had alot of problems, hopefully we will start getting a better product for our $40-$60K, no matter the brand.

Agreed GM got owned in the years before the Dmax, But since then I think most will agree the Dmax has out performed Ford for the last ten years.

How am I wrong about there in house diesels, am I in the wrong forum?? I thought we were talking about TRUCKS, not foriegn go karts.

Only thing wrong with the early year Dmax's were the injectors would go out about 120,000+ miles, but GM stood behind them. What problems did the 6.7 Cummins ever have??

 

[wang11]

5.9 cummins