Well you don't have to run the pcv or fuel controller. Polaris is bringing out another reflash that will be available in Canada first to address the midrange problem. Canada does not not have the same epa's as the US so looks like the Canadian machines will get fixed. As for the US machines maybe they will get it by the epa but if not then you will have to run a fuel controller in order to have it run perfect.
2010 800 Dragon-MID RANGE STUMBLE!!
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I'm ten minute's from the border.Wonder if I can go over and get the reflash?
I honestly don't know how anybody could purchase a 2010 800 knowing the problems Polaris had with the '09's.
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600xc4me
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My sled also has it quite bad in the mid range, at 1200-5000'. Around 5000-6000' mine ran great. Took at two day trip to the mountains, first day ran at about 4-5000 feet elevation, and the midrange up there was just as bad as it is at home, around 1400'. Second day ran at about 6000 feet, and it ran mint. Very smooth. Came back down to 1400' at home and the mid range is bad here again. So seems to work better higher up? Anybody else finding this? Motor has about 200 miles.
My dealer has a PCV on order, with jims map in it. He's going to use my sled to test it on, then I'll take it home for a few days once he's done with it, and test it a bit longer. If it fixes the runnability issues you can be sure I will order one for my self.
My dealer has a PCV on order, with jims map in it. He's going to use my sled to test it on, then I'll take it home for a few days once he's done with it, and test it a bit longer. If it fixes the runnability issues you can be sure I will order one for my self.
That's the unfortunate reality with these things, buy the PC5 and enjoy. It's really like a whole new sled. Last year's "miracle reflash" didn't do chit. My sled ran worse with it. Don't hold you breath for another miracle.
Ditto.
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akrevrider
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PCV from DTR w/
Ran my 09 D-8 RMK (2010 update) the PCV from DTR and the stock (157) map from Wayne Stoutner.
The temps outside was near 0 and the snow conditions was hard pack/icy. Ran on a trail cllimbing up a mountain for about 10 miles with the scratchers down to try & keep it cool. Throttle response was good and no bogging but the det light came on a couple of times around 140. The lights never came on last year once so this is a new issue with the update.
Plan to adjust the PCV map number per Wayne's testing with the Autotune & post on Hardcore Sledder IQ forum "Make sure all of your pc5 settings from 6500-7500 are at least a 0 or +5. Also make all of your 80% throttle numbers at 7750-8500 0 or -5 at the most. That det light should be gone forever! but may have to pull the t-stat to keep the the engine temps down."
Overall really happy witht the PCV after comparing runs with a 08 D-8 with the 2010 update & mods but no PCV. The other rider has now placed an order with DTR for a PCV after seeing the difference between our sleds.
akrevrider
Ran my 09 D-8 RMK (2010 update) the PCV from DTR and the stock (157) map from Wayne Stoutner.
The temps outside was near 0 and the snow conditions was hard pack/icy. Ran on a trail cllimbing up a mountain for about 10 miles with the scratchers down to try & keep it cool. Throttle response was good and no bogging but the det light came on a couple of times around 140. The lights never came on last year once so this is a new issue with the update.
Plan to adjust the PCV map number per Wayne's testing with the Autotune & post on Hardcore Sledder IQ forum "Make sure all of your pc5 settings from 6500-7500 are at least a 0 or +5. Also make all of your 80% throttle numbers at 7750-8500 0 or -5 at the most. That det light should be gone forever! but may have to pull the t-stat to keep the the engine temps down."
Overall really happy witht the PCV after comparing runs with a 08 D-8 with the 2010 update & mods but no PCV. The other rider has now placed an order with DTR for a PCV after seeing the difference between our sleds.
akrevrider
so who would I talk to to purchase the pc-v 5? I take it they're about 400 bucks, but that is cheaper that the kickin' I'd get for a trade in. may hold off a little bit to see it the post was right about the canadian version of mapping as I'm only 2 hrs from the border.
Sure would be nice to get a lawsuit going to make Polaris pay up or fix these issue's.
I don't think a lawsuit would accomplish much although I agree that Polaris should do something on a couple of different issues. It would be nice if they would just step up and do the right thing for those reporting running issues. It makes no sense why some sleds run good and some don't. I understand there are EPA regulations to meet, but after 3 years of fighting this Polaris needs to be done. Whether that be all new components for some of you or hand you a PC V "for race use only". I'm not sure the answer, but seems like they could do something under a warranty to fix the issue.
We would all be riding wheel chairs by the time a lawsuit got through the court system though.
Dyno Tech Research has them available so you can contact Jim. Or SLP has them available too. SLP has a high altitude map for theirs, but I think it is for their single pipe. Not sure how much difference would be between the two.
I'm not sure the answer, but seems like they could do something under a warranty to fix the issue. We would all be riding wheel chairs by the time a lawsuit got through the court system though.
Dyno Tech Research has them available so you can contact Jim. Or SLP has them available too. SLP has a high altitude map for theirs, but I think it is for their single pipe. Not sure how much difference would be between the two.
I know what your saying.It's just the fact you buy a brand new machine and have to put $400 more into it to make it run right.I don't have the big problem's yet.This will just become the norm in the future to put out a product that is not right.Ski Doo went through it with the Xp not being able to keep belt's in it.I guess where just beating a dead horse.
Please understand I totally agree with you. These manufactures have to be held accountable. These things should run and be dependable right out of the box. Especially for the price tag.
When they start loosing sales they will understand. In the mean time I was loosing sleep and giving myself gray hair waiting for them to step up and do the right thing. And honestly, I just don't see that happening.
It's not right, not one bit, but it's better to just enjoy the thing even if it costs a bit more to just do it yourself. We have access to the tools to make these run right and be reliable. I guess we should use them.
I would however encourage everyone who is not happy or concerned to at least let your dealer know you are displeased with the product and what you are doing to remedy the situation. It doesn't hurt to call 1-800-polaris either. The more they hear from unhappy customers the sooner they will realize they need to step up to the plate and start doing things right.
I said it in another post. The economy will dictate to these companies. People will no longer settle for "good enough". If your company cannot produce a quality reliable product sales are going to reflect that. How you build your product will decide whether you sink or swim.
Please understand I totally agree with you. These manufactures have to be held accountable. These things should run and be dependable right out of the box. Especially for the price tag.
When they start loosing sales they will understand. In the mean time I was loosing sleep and giving myself gray hair waiting for them to step up and do the right thing. And honestly, I just don't see that happening.
It's not right, not one bit, but it's better to just enjoy the thing even if it costs a bit more to just do it yourself. We have access to the tools to make these run right and be reliable. I guess we should use them.
I would however encourage everyone who is not happy or concerned to at least let your dealer know you are displeased with the product and what you are doing to remedy the situation. It doesn't hurt to call 1-800-polaris either. The more they hear from unhappy customers the sooner they will realize they need to step up to the plate and start doing things right.
I said it in another post. The economy will dictate to these companies. People will no longer settle for "good enough". If your company cannot produce a quality reliable product sales are going to reflect that. How you build your product will decide whether you sink or swim.
Well said, Polaris will feel the effects of this eventually if they already haven't. You just don't send a product like the '08 - '09 800's to market in the condition they were in. Alot of people including myself had high expectations for this engine and were willing to give Polaris another chance, especially after the Fusion 900 joke and Polaris failed miserably. Try to make the best of your sled and purchase a PCV, I will eventually, I'm done waiting for Polaris and their ridiculous reflashes and dragging the sled back to the dealer so they can do a 5 minute reflash. I used to praise Polaris snowmobiles, not any more, I'm bashing them and will do so until they get their **** straight.
Won't hurt them one bit just before snow check time they will announce that there is a problem, they have it figured out and will release the fix in 60 days.
Please understand I totally agree with you. These manufactures have to be held accountable. These things should run and be dependable right out of the box. Especially for the price tag.
When they start loosing sales they will understand. In the mean time I was loosing sleep and giving myself gray hair waiting for them to step up and do the right thing. And honestly, I just don't see that happening.
It's not right, not one bit, but it's better to just enjoy the thing even if it costs a bit more to just do it yourself. We have access to the tools to make these run right and be reliable. I guess we should use them.
I would however encourage everyone who is not happy or concerned to at least let your dealer know you are displeased with the product and what you are doing to remedy the situation. It doesn't hurt to call 1-800-polaris either. The more they hear from unhappy customers the sooner they will realize they need to step up to the plate and start doing things right.
I said it in another post. The economy will dictate to these companies. People will no longer settle for "good enough". If your company cannot produce a quality reliable product sales are going to reflect that. How you build your product will decide whether you sink or swim.
GREAT!!!! THIS ISN'T THE NEWS I WANTED TO HEAR ON THE NEW MOTORS!!! Hear we go again...
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metallicat
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I agree with you guys on this one. I am buying a PCV, although VERY displeased to do so on an $11,000 sled, because i want to be able to ride the thing this winter and enjoy it, rather than wait until the snow is gone and Polaris to come with a flash that MIGHT fix the problem. Do you know how content most of us would be if Polaris said, "OK, we know there are some unhappy customers and what we are going to do is refund $300 to these people who are having trouble with their sleds." It wouldn't completely cover the price of the controller even but at least it would be stepping up and they wouldn't be "telling" us to buy a controller. (get around EPA.) It would be alot cheaper than the top end recalls on the 09's. I'm sure DynoJet is LOVING this!! Sales through the roof!!!
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Here is another way to look at it. A few years ago if there was a problem like this you would ahve taken it back to the dealer and they would have rejetted your sled at your cost or just told you what jets and needle setting to put in. We did it back in 1999 with the 700 and 600 rmk's. They ran like crap and got about 30 mi to a tank. There was a jet,pilot and needle change not covered on warranty and behold the sled had more power and would go 100 mi to a tank. Look at the pc as an expensive jet change.
I do agree that Polaris should be doing something about it but it will take them foever to get through the red tape that they have to go through. Also like all of the manufactureres they are arrogant and think that they know best.
I do agree that Polaris should be doing something about it but it will take them foever to get through the red tape that they have to go through. Also like all of the manufactureres they are arrogant and think that they know best.
i currentley own a 2010 assualt and of course have the same issues i agree to everyones postings and believe that they should also be held accountable for this crap. My dealer had told me that the reflash has been done and waiting on the epa's desk for approval will see what happens other wise i guess the $400 price tag will have to bee an option along with the extra 3-4 hundred it will cost for the downloads but what ever it takes.
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X2Freeride
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Other than the Chassis I dont miss my 07 D7 CFI sled one bit. Its pretty bad when my 10 year old technology Gen 2 twin piped carbed Carls 660 would beat my 07 D7 CFI sled in EVERY SINGLE WAY motor wise. No more plug fouling, no more rediculous mid range stumble. The plugs in my 660 have been in there for a year the ones in my 800 about the same.
I dont understand why ANYONE would waste money on this junk that they are putting out now days. Spend some money on shocks and aftermarket parts on your older stuff and you will be ALOT better off IMO.
I dont understand why ANYONE would waste money on this junk that they are putting out now days. Spend some money on shocks and aftermarket parts on your older stuff and you will be ALOT better off IMO.
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