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$100+ to register your sled with passes!!! Make Your Voice Heard.

And for WaBackcountry, the state snowmobile association, local clubs, paid lobbyists, and dedicated snowmobilers are watching where the funds go to make sure they go to the snowmobile fund or else they wouldn't support any increase so I'm not sure why you come up with false conclusions to come up with your opinion. There are literally thosands watching to make sure you are wrong about where the money will go. As far as parking on public lands the DNR is a special case but the SnoParks have to be cleared of snow and it costs money to maintain it. Also not all SnoParks are on public lands but enjoy using them as contracts have been made to use them.

It is time to increase funding for our sport.

Thanks for the info FlyingW-I have another question becuase I don't want to make comments that are not accurate which it sounds like I may have done.

I understand that the sled registration fee goes back to us (Grooming Fund) for grooming, etc. but what would happen to the proposed $40 Sno Park Fee they want to charge when you register your sled. Would that go directly into the grooming fund with our registration fee?

EDIT-I missed a post earlier where JET J made it clear that the proposed SNO PARK FEE INCREASE will also go directly in our fund along with the registration fee!
 
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I edited and/or erased some of my posts/comments that were inaccurate and/or inflammatory. I don't want to sound like a hater spreading propaganda on the web. I should have clarified some of my information first. My intent is to provide facts for people and let them voice there opinion to the legislators. I hope this thread has now done that for people.
 
Thats the first time I've heard the sponsoring a trail suggestion brought up on here. Not a bad idea, there are many business owners that frequent every snopark in the state.
I know last year we had a long spring and grooming ended with 2 months of riding left. A avid sledded and business owner paid from his own pocket to have a popular trail system groomed ( twice if I remember correctly). I know this would encourage me to throw business his way when possible....in fact I did.
Anyone have any idea if this has merit? Too many hoops with the state? Not enough willing sponsors?
 
Cool idea sponsoring a trail. Don't trust gov't not to screw it up though. They see money and always try to take it.

Thats the first time I've heard the sponsoring a trail suggestion brought up on here. Not a bad idea, there are many business owners that frequent every snopark in the state.
I know last year we had a long spring and grooming ended with 2 months of riding left. A avid sledded and business owner paid from his own pocket to have a popular trail system groomed ( twice if I remember correctly). I know this would encourage me to throw business his way when possible....in fact I did.
Anyone have any idea if this has merit? Too many hoops with the state? Not enough willing sponsors?



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Unfortunately upping the license fees just make more people not pay for registrations at all :(
 
airpoppoff, not true

some will "protest" the first year or untill they get their first ticket for no registration and than from than on its "handled", sorry just the truth, We get off so cheep in our state for what we get I cant even imagine anyone having a problem with a 10 dollar license increase and paying for snopark permit. I'm no rich man but can see very clearly all the problems and challenges we are having with our money issues, It's not rocket science, it's plain old facts and figures, It takes so much money to do an adequate job of grooming and plowing ect. I honestly can see why people dont see the problem, And Once Again, ,,,,,, ALL OUR MONEY WE PUT INTO OUR PROGRAM stays in it, NOT THE BLACK HOLE IN OLYMPIA, we are a "PAY TO PLAY" program, LUCKLY !!
 
Jet J,

I understand your viewpoint but as i said before, some of us don't want more services, we don't need more snow plows, we don't want more services.

If whole riding areas will be shut down then of course we would pay more but if all we get is a freshly plowed parking lot and less whoops then some of us would rather keep the extra $50 dollars.
 
after one expresses their opinion 10x in 8 different fashions, you would think this thread would have died already.. no one is getting no where.. the price is going to increase whether people hate it or not.. everything costs more, if it ain't this yr its the next.. Whether you're for it or against it makes no difference.

i'll come back in a couple weeks and state my opinion again, but re-word it so you think its new..

keep up the good work! :cheer2:
 
WaBackcountry I don't know what areas you ride but if you want more information about funding for your area you should attend the local grooming council as each area has one to oversee the grooming and snowplowing in their area.

A question for you though is do you know if your area operates totally on the money from the state or is the area subsidized by others to help get it through the season as that is how some areas are working now. In fact there are a couple areas that have run out of grooming money in February and I know they would like more. Each area was developed by local people working with the state, it wasn't the state that came in and set up the areas that we enjoy now. Some areas got programs funded sooner than others.

Did you know that the state has received some grants the past few years to supplement the grooming program above and beyond what they receive from registrations and gas tax money? They have had grants in the 10's of thousands of dollars and have applied for grants in the 100's of thousands of dollars for the next year above and beyond what we pay into the system to try to keep the program sustainable.

There are far more people on this thread discussing the program than there are people in State Parks running the motorized winter rec. program. They are doing their best to make the money go as far as it can and we can't count on these grants to happen every year. Without the grants you would notice a lot bigger reduction in services but also as more registration money comes in and the grants are reduced you won't see a surge in services either but the grants have helped keep areas like you use enjoyable it sounds like.

It would be best to attend a grooming council meeting to see just how impacted the areas you enjoy are financially. Thanks for keeping an open mind about the issue.
 
some will "protest" the first year or untill they get their first ticket for no registration and than from than on its "handled", sorry just the truth, We get off so cheep in our state for what we get I cant even imagine anyone having a problem with a 10 dollar license increase and paying for snopark permit. I'm no rich man but can see very clearly all the problems and challenges we are having with our money issues, It's not rocket science, it's plain old facts and figures, It takes so much money to do an adequate job of grooming and plowing ect. I honestly can see why people dont see the problem, And Once Again, ,,,,,, ALL OUR MONEY WE PUT INTO OUR PROGRAM stays in it, NOT THE BLACK HOLE IN OLYMPIA, we are a "PAY TO PLAY" program, LUCKLY !!

I just saw some info from WSSA that snowmobile registrations are less now than 10 years ago, which we all know for a fact that there are more sleds out on the trails. Hence more people not registering them.
 
The proposed fee increases are chump change compared to the price of even a used sled, let alone a brand new sled getting unloaded out of a four place enclosed trailer being pulled by a sixty thousand dollar truck I see everywhere at our snowparks. If you want to bitch about something bitch about the cost of fuel going up two dollars a gallon since Obama got elected. Or maybe focus your legislative action on keeping our riding areas open, as plenty of libtards would just as well ban all motorized vehicles from anywhere but the HOV lane.
 
sad

tabs 100 per year 80.00 going to grooming other 20. to state for overhead

snowpark... 50 to keep em open
 
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I live in Kirkland, don't register or ride my three sleds ANYWHERE in WA. I bring my sleds to Canada to ride and the only place I pay is Brandywine near Whistler.

I don't know who is worse the government (State/Fed), the snowmobile clubs, the association, the police.... These groups have had complete control over the snowmobiling conditions/rules/fees in the state of Washington and we are in the mess we are because of them NOT because of the loser who doesn't want to pay $100 to tab/license his sled.

I chose to ride in Canada because it is less of a hassle. Less rules, fees, cops, maybe more breakins (haha).

The reason snowmobiling is dwindling as a sport is because the startup cost is huge and it is a HASSLE to go in Washington State.



And hopefully you will find non snowparks to park at and not ride the groomed trails. 14,000 grand for a new sled, 50 bucks a week to fill it, 100 to fill the truck to get it there and have problems paying 100 bucks a year to use plowed snowparks and groomed trails. go ride in Canada and pay 20 every time you pull into a snowpark and see what that comes up to. But maybe you only go twice a year.
 
The reason snowmobiling is dwindling as a sport is because the startup cost is huge and it is a HASSLE to go in Washington State.

You're partially right. I've only been here in WA 2 years and the first year, it was kind of a hassle..........and expensive. Didn't quite understand the sled tags/snopark pass/discover pass deal yet, but that was easy to figure out.

The BIG killer is the cost of admission in WA with regards to USE TAX. I had to drop $1200 just to register 2 used sleds that I already owned! If I didn't make darn good money that would have been a deal breaker.
So yeah, sled tabs are cheap, but the real reason there are so many people running un-registered sleds is because you gotta pay a left nut to get them registered the first time!
Heck I'm one of those "unregistered" guys right now. I bought 3 tabs last fall for the 3 machines. Have put about 300 mi on each of them this year. Mid season I bought a new used sled from OR and sold my sled to a guy in OR.
Knowing that I'm moving this spring, no way in he!! I was going to give the state of WA another $1000+ to get a sled registered. What to do? Go down to the dmv, tell 'em you lost the stickers on your other sled (the sold one, gone out of state) and for $9 you get some new stickers.

Just another reason there are less people riding.
There are tons of good used machines in the $2-3k range that a guy or family could get into snowmobiling with, no problem. But that guy who is putting out, to him, a large sum of $, say $10k, to buy a couple, 2, 3 sleds and a trailer to haul up there behind the old family truckster is going to think twice about it when he realizes that there's a 10% "penalty" to be paid to the state just so he can enjoy his hard earned purchase. $1000 is alot of money to alot of people and WA is killing the snowmobile experience for the average guy.
And there's no break on the taxable value of the sled either (unless you luck out and find one of the shady dmv offices). You get dinged full retail value for that machine unless you can "prove" it is worth less with mechanics' recepits or an appraisal or something ridiculous. So there again, someone who has a a head on their shoulders and some wrenches can't even buy a "fixer upper" for cheap without getting dinged for more than it's worth.

You can say that it all balances out because WA has no state income tax, but that's a crock. It doesn't balance out. I own homes and property in 3 different states right now and have lived, worked and owned homes in several other states and aside from Illinois which is eastern California, none cost as much $ to the state as here. My CO house, same price range as the house here, property taxes are only about 25% of here. I can tell you that what I save in state income tax on my base salary is far less than what I spend on property tax here. Sales tax, about double of most states as well.

And some of these states have some dang good world class snowmobiling. Why should we pay extra to ride in the rain and cascade concrete?

There should be MORE snowmobilers here than other mountain states with the higher wage rates here, but the fact is, people have less money at the end of the day after the state gets done with them here than alot of other states.

That said, again, I love what WA has to offer for outdoors activities, mountains, etc and raising the registrations to get more grooming is a good thing, but if the rest of the costs don't get under control, then sled registrations will continue to decline.
 
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I live in Kirkland, don't register or ride my three sleds ANYWHERE in WA. I bring my sleds to Canada to ride and the only place I pay is Brandywine near Whistler.

I don't know who is worse the government (State/Fed), the snowmobile clubs, the association, the police.... These groups have had complete control over the snowmobiling conditions/rules/fees in the state of Washington and we are in the mess we are because of them NOT because of the loser who doesn't want to pay $100 to tab/license his sled.

I chose to ride in Canada because it is less of a hassle. Less rules, fees, cops, maybe more breakins (haha).

The reason snowmobiling is dwindling as a sport is because the startup cost is huge and it is a HASSLE to go in Washington State.

The only thing you are saving is the taxes on the purchase of a sled unless you bought them all out of state.
I realize driving to Canada is cheaper than going to Baker every week but hey we aren't all as smart as you. LOL!! Your truck must get 40 miles to the gallon and you have a ton of extra time for driving
 
Im a little confused on what I need and where I need it. That seams to be the biggest problem to me. I for one do not care if we see price increases if it keeps the sport open for us then I say it's worth it. I am selling my sled in favor of a timbersled and I will not be using groomed trails but I still wish to support the grooming for those who do use those trails.
 
From my perspective there are more sleds and trailers in the snoparks than ever in the past. Most all I see are licensed. So why and where are they coming up with a decrease in registered sleds? Is there any point between the guy handing over the $$ at the DMV, to the point the check is written to the grooming business or sanican business that money is disapearing? The numbers being fudged so some $$ is skimmed into another fund in this VERY anti off road motor vehicle state?? With this being handled by inefficient state agencies I wouldnt be surprised.
 
And i can't even see the comeback to this

Notice there is no date and i know it hasn't changed in a couple years this was from 2013 lets start a new one for us no paying dudes.
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