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i told him he should offer to buy kyles sled and then kyle can get yours or his dads.
that would work -
-we'll have a couple for sale
09 m8 sno pro schooled us today
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that would work -
-we'll have a couple for sale
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Pipe Y-pipe can?????? If not leave it alone. Tach could be off 200rpm either way. If so shoot for 8000rpm's will add track speed!!!!
cat had a can only---did have a head originally but was real boggy on the bottom and leaked antifreeze so he took it off and put stock back on
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see if we can strike a deal at the end of the season.
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RKT
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We own both 09 M8 162 and 09 XP 163..
OUR findings show that the power-claw track has nothing on the XP track in the real deep powder except at slow speeds. When climbing they work about the same but let off the throttle in a deep powder pull and the Claw comes up on top faster and easier..Other than that.. they are equal.. We have done many comparisons in the 650 miles we have rode this season.
Our findings show the XP as the superior "high-marker" and also faster on the hard packed. BUT... the 09 M8 is a fantastic machine!
I have always owned both Cats and Ski Doos and even a Polaris here and there... You can not go wrong with either the CAT or the DOO in 2009.. They are BOTH excellent sleds!!! Since I trade throughout the day from the XP to the Cat and back... I can tell you that they are 2 totally different sleds.. But, after you adjust to the other.. they are about equal in everything..
The DOO does out-power/out climb the Cat but, it should, it is lighter and has more HP from the start..
I think anybody looking for a new sled could not have 2 better sleds to choose from.. I would base the decision on how good the dealer is in your area...
Kelsey
OUR findings show that the power-claw track has nothing on the XP track in the real deep powder except at slow speeds. When climbing they work about the same but let off the throttle in a deep powder pull and the Claw comes up on top faster and easier..Other than that.. they are equal.. We have done many comparisons in the 650 miles we have rode this season.
Our findings show the XP as the superior "high-marker" and also faster on the hard packed. BUT... the 09 M8 is a fantastic machine!
I have always owned both Cats and Ski Doos and even a Polaris here and there... You can not go wrong with either the CAT or the DOO in 2009.. They are BOTH excellent sleds!!! Since I trade throughout the day from the XP to the Cat and back... I can tell you that they are 2 totally different sleds.. But, after you adjust to the other.. they are about equal in everything..
The DOO does out-power/out climb the Cat but, it should, it is lighter and has more HP from the start..
I think anybody looking for a new sled could not have 2 better sleds to choose from.. I would base the decision on how good the dealer is in your area...
Kelsey
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trinitypowder
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That track speed is very impressive!! My 860-156-2.5 lug XP only gives me 45 mph on a 35-40 degree climb in medium/hard snow at 10k+. I know you said soft snow, but that's still impressive
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BOTH Sleds are set-up very well.. Neither has any "hold-backs" via clutching, jetting, or any other set-up point.. These are the most fair comparisions one could have. Since they are both my sleds and I am not partial to either..the goal is to get the both running as best I can..
In terms of quality, The nod goes to the CAT.. The XP is the most rattling, noisy, sled I have ever had the pleasure to throw a leg over... But it gets the job done..and rocks in the hill.
The Cat is very quiet and smooth and is very well built..
Kelsey
In terms of quality, The nod goes to the CAT.. The XP is the most rattling, noisy, sled I have ever had the pleasure to throw a leg over... But it gets the job done..and rocks in the hill.
The Cat is very quiet and smooth and is very well built..
Kelsey
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I have a rev and a 09 M8 and both brothers have xp's, they are all a blast to ride and work well. I prefer my M8.
I have a rev and a 09 M8 and both brothers have xp's, they are all a blast to ride and work well. I prefer my M8.
Great info RKT and indepth anaylsis. All the big 3 I don't think you can go wrong with. All feel very different but are all great sleds. You can argue points to all of them.(Doo, Poo, Cat) don't include yammi cause they don't exist without boost and we all know what happens with boost.
I agree to on the noise. The only thing that seem to rattle on mine is the clutch guard but it sounds like it going to come through the side panel going down the trail
I agree to on the noise. The only thing that seem to rattle on mine is the clutch guard but it sounds like it going to come through the side panel going down the trail
Great stuff T/A!
It is beginning to sound like AC might have stuck just the right balance between power to weight with this years M8. Cats ability to easily add hp via pipes and lightweight cans seems to bring their power to weight close to the stock Skidoos.
I'd sure like to see an XP with a Power Claw track climb. I'm sure the 22 lb weight loss doesn't hurt but, you have to wonder what percentage of the 2009 M series sleds new found ability can be laid squarely on the Power Claw?
I know you didn't have one with you but, I do have to wonder how the heavier 2009 M1000 162" compares to the M8 162" in similar conditions?
Frosty
It is beginning to sound like AC might have stuck just the right balance between power to weight with this years M8. Cats ability to easily add hp via pipes and lightweight cans seems to bring their power to weight close to the stock Skidoos.
I'd sure like to see an XP with a Power Claw track climb. I'm sure the 22 lb weight loss doesn't hurt but, you have to wonder what percentage of the 2009 M series sleds new found ability can be laid squarely on the Power Claw?
I know you didn't have one with you but, I do have to wonder how the heavier 2009 M1000 162" compares to the M8 162" in similar conditions?
Frosty
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The end to track width myth..... When climbing in Pow length is more important than width. Here's why....trenching kills...and trenching on an incline is solved by weight transfer. The longer the track the more track you have behind the center of gravity.
The square inch argument doesn't apply b/c the track is enlongated not round.
For example: I put a 166 on my 05 Poo to replace my 159. With 159 it would trench say 3 ft. in deep and steep. Same hill same snow with 166 trench only say 2 ft.
1. The hill is already steep enough, don't make it steeper by trenching.
Think about this visual. You have a bulldozer with a 16 inch wide track that is 24 feet long. That will allow say 10 feet of the track to be on the ground as a footprint. That equals 1920 square inches of foot print. As a constuction worker those baby will climb most anything despite weighing 50-80k lbs.
Now take a big double drum asphalt roller. In fairness visualize the roller has grousers for traction like the dozer. Each drum is 6 foot diameter and 10 feet wide. Lets assume that it also has a footprint of 1920 square inches.
Obviously not the same situation but maybe easier to visualize. I ask you which one would climb better.
At slow speeds on flatter terrain the 16 wide would no doubt have more flotation. But as soon as you turn up the hill it all about length, attack angle, and weight transfer.
The square inch argument doesn't apply b/c the track is enlongated not round.
For example: I put a 166 on my 05 Poo to replace my 159. With 159 it would trench say 3 ft. in deep and steep. Same hill same snow with 166 trench only say 2 ft.
1. The hill is already steep enough, don't make it steeper by trenching.
Think about this visual. You have a bulldozer with a 16 inch wide track that is 24 feet long. That will allow say 10 feet of the track to be on the ground as a footprint. That equals 1920 square inches of foot print. As a constuction worker those baby will climb most anything despite weighing 50-80k lbs.
Now take a big double drum asphalt roller. In fairness visualize the roller has grousers for traction like the dozer. Each drum is 6 foot diameter and 10 feet wide. Lets assume that it also has a footprint of 1920 square inches.
Obviously not the same situation but maybe easier to visualize. I ask you which one would climb better.
At slow speeds on flatter terrain the 16 wide would no doubt have more flotation. But as soon as you turn up the hill it all about length, attack angle, and weight transfer.
A single point of contact roller and a track driven dozer are not a comparable, even if contact area is equal.
I have no idea in snow, but on a dozer in dirt area in contact with ground rules period.
Cat (caterpillar) makes a low ground presure tracks for their dozers, the width is the only change. The diff from a standard track to LGP to night and day, we use LGP cats to finish long steep slopes with topsoil where a regulor cat just won't hang on the slope. In soft/muddy soil sometimes a LGP CAT is the on piece of equipment we can use.
I have no idea in snow, but on a dozer in dirt area in contact with ground rules period.
Cat (caterpillar) makes a low ground presure tracks for their dozers, the width is the only change. The diff from a standard track to LGP to night and day, we use LGP cats to finish long steep slopes with topsoil where a regulor cat just won't hang on the slope. In soft/muddy soil sometimes a LGP CAT is the on piece of equipment we can use.
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i told him he should offer to buy kyles sled and then kyle can get yours or his dads.
If the offer is good enough
Sounds like I shouldnt switch brands though
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Great thread , I ride with lots of xp's they do great in the deep and steep ,but never in our group will be out standing , most new sled are all good . The power to weight ratio , 16'' track making for better floatation doesn't fly with me. I have never seen a xp perform well enough for me to be convinced that they have any advantage in the deep or steep.
With porting, piped and head plus Cutlers clutching and the 09 M8 is a sweet ride.
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This ones on it's way to Cutler for a hair dryer as we speak.........
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ggcustoms
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X3. I really think its hard to go wrong with any one these new mountain sleds
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