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You guys are kidding .....right ???

Ruffy: I can't believe someone who claims to need facts and documentation for posters claims makes such wild claims without any documentation. I now you were exposed to an earlier post that should have settled this issue, and don't bring up tripoli again.

Any arguments with this documentation, I have lots more if you need them to figure out where to put your head. Swampy:D:D:beer;

You are missing the subtlety of the language. Founded, as you stated above, why yes. Are we a "Christian" nation? No, we are a nation of many beliefs, with rules founded in Christianity.

There is no official religion, hence we are not a "Christian" nation. That is different then saying we are a nation majorly compromised of Christians.

A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.. type of thing..
 
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Patrick Henry

“ It cannot be emphasized to strongly or to often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.


Too bad many view the Christian belief as a religion....that's were things start getting all flubbed up.

And fellas, give a listen...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RntL-2uwt_g

If my 4 year old can get it, well you oughta be able to as well.
 
You are missing the subtlety of the language. Founded, as you stated above, why yes. Are we a "Christian" nation? No, we are a nation of many beliefs, with rules founded in Christianity.

There is no official religion, hence we are not a "Christian" nation. That is different then saying we are a nation majorly compromised of Christians.

A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.. type of thing..
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Ruffy: I realize you like to twist meanings of words so lets analyze the words.

"It cannot be emphasized to strongly or to often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!" Reason , logic and common sense dictates that if you found a nation on the gosphel of Jesus Christ it is a christian nation as the Christian religion is based on the gosphel of Jesus Christ just as a muslim nation founded on the karan is a muslim nation. Also why would a Christian found a nation on no religion?
"For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
This statement clarifies the freedom of religion and notes that because it is a Christian nation it will afford asylum to other faiths not remove the christian nature of the country.
Now if you want to be subtle and compare "founded" to "is" you might have some meaning but I would suspect you will find that the majority of Americans are still Christian, although it makes one wonder after the 2008 elections.

In the next quote you will see JQ Adams clearly shows the connection between the civil government and Christianity.

John Quincy Adams​
“ The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: It connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

“ The United States of America were no longer colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians.
 
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Ruffy: I realize you like to twist meanings of words so lets analyze the words.

No, it seems you just don't know the definition of them. :p

So what is our official religion then?

Are Deists Christians?
 
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so ahh swampy, if our nation is based on the Gospel....

How do you feel about homelessness and other plagues on our country such as addiction and discrimination?

That is, what do you do when you see a man on the corner who is dirty, stinky and holding a card board sign? Or what do we as a "christian" nation do?

I'm not saying the founding fathers weren't basing things off the Gospel, I'm just saying what does Rush do when he see's that stuff.
 
I say war shoot first and ask questions later. I'm in. Like I've said in other threads I took the oath to defend this country against forgein and DOMESTIC enemies and right now the enemy is right here in our own country no where else
 
I say war shoot first and ask questions later. I'm in. Like I've said in other threads I took the oath to defend this country against forgein and DOMESTIC enemies and right now the enemy is right here in our own country no where else

so our enemy isnt in the middle east huh? All american-hating muslims/chinese/ etc... are right here and nowhere else?

got it. :rolleyes:
 
So what is our official religion then?There is no "official Religion" The founding fathers did not want a state sponsored denomination as in England. There was actually no other religions present in the country at the time of the revolution, their problem was with denominations of the christian religion

No, it seems you just don't know the definition of them.

I think that is your problem and I will answer that when you tell me what a Christian is(Definition)

Are Deists Christians?

When you learn what a Christian is you will have the answer to this one so get me your definition of Christian.


No, it seems you just don't know the definition of them. :p

So what is our official religion then?

Are Deists Christians?
 
How do you feel about homelessness and other plagues on our country such as addiction and discrimination?

That is easy as a christian you love the sinner and hate the sin. Actually most of those you see working the streets are to lazy to work or want to live that life, there are many organizations both religeous and private who will help those who are actually in need. No I don't enable their poor choices.
"discrimination" are you saying Christians discriminate against someone? Who?

That is, what do you do when you see a man on the corner who is dirty, stinky and holding a card board sign? Or what do we as a "christian" nation do?

See Above!

I'm not saying the founding fathers weren't basing things off the Gospel, I'm just saying what does Rush do when he see's that stuff.

I think that question would be better if directed to Rush as I am not privy to that information. Swampy:beer;:beer;
 
That is, what do you do when you see a man on the corner who is dirty, stinky and holding a card board sign? Or what do we as a "christian" nation do?

I'm not saying the founding fathers weren't basing things off the Gospel, I'm just saying what does Rush do when he see's that stuff.

X, I've seen you comment about this subject before, and it sounds like something that really bugs you. What do you as an individual do for that guy holding the sign? (I'm not saying you don't, I'm just curious what you do do)

The Gospel is lived out through individuals as each of us will stand before God and given an account for our choices. (IOW, governments will not be accountable to God, individuals are.) I know you work in your church with youth, so you'll be familiar with Romans 14:12 "So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God."

Rush gives hundreds of thousands of dollars to charities, but he does not advertise it. It's churches who have soup kitchens and food pantries and outreaches like Outreach Gospel Mission http://www.bogm.org/ and Union Gospel Mission http://www.ugmtc.org/ (this is the Twin Cities chapter) who help homeless, but they also make sure they are not "enabling" people who just want a free ride and aren't willing to make an effort. Every church I've been involved with reaches out to the less fortunate with money and action.

A few weeks ago, a single black mom with two kids in our neighborhood had a dire situation where her home was going to be shut down by the Health Dept and people from our church went over and helped her clean it up and provided for her. These are not isolated examples, so I'm wondering if you are seeing a lack of this where you live, or where are you getting the idea that Christians are NOT helping?

Or did I misunderstand what you were saying?

Maybe you need to move out to the Northwest Man! Better sledding too!
 
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Fluff, it's simple I don't judge or take this view...I used to until I read a few good books that changed my thinking. Actually most of those you see working the streets are to lazy to work or want to live that life

Now when I see a person on the corner, etc I've made it a habit to not go and give them money, but to buy them a meal. The past 2 times I haven't had a chance to stay and talk with them, but I plan too. But the main thing is I love on them and don't judge. If they need 5 bucks for a bump, well then so be it.

Swampy, I believe the definition of a Christian in the truest sense would be a follower of Christ.

Ohh and huh, what about the "religions" of the Natives?
 
So what is our official religion then?There is no "official Religion" The founding fathers did not want a state sponsored denomination as in England. There was actually no other religions present in the country at the time of the revolution, their problem was with denominations of the christian religion

No, it seems you just don't know the definition of them.

I think that is your problem and I will answer that when you tell me what a Christian is(Definition)

Are Deists Christians?

When you learn what a Christian is you will have the answer to this one so get me your definition of Christian.

No, it seems you don't.. :rolleyes:

A Christian is someone that believes in Jesus as Christ. I deist believes in god, but not the bible, or anything else. It is more of a personal religion, believing in a hire authority, but lacking all the miracles and such of the bible. At least that is what I get from it. Kind of in the gray area I think.

Again the country is made up of christians but we are not a christian nation. If you don't see the difference, then further replies are pointless, IMO. :beer;
 
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These are not isolated examples, so I'm wondering if you are seeing a lack of this where you live, or where are you getting the idea that Christians are NOT helping?


I agree, many churches do, my issue is in many who claim to be followers of Christ, who do not do this and even to some extent those who just write out a check. Yes we need money and check writers, but would Jesus have written a check or gotten down and sat on the curb with someone while they had a meal. I guess my issue more stems from the lip service people pay to "acts" when there actions tell differently.
 
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