Buy 2013 + CMX/C3 Drive = 2014 price
Wow, Polaris 2014
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There will be a new quick drive belt that retrofits the '13's and has a new part number and a new compound. The driveshaft has also been modified to have tighter tolerence's. the issues with the driveshaft failures were all due to poor tolerence issues, not due to failure in the glue like what the all knowing masses on the Internet have been saying. There will still be a collar on the driveshaft as a precautionary measure. Polaris calls it a "belt and suspenders" theory, but its more of a public pleaser then anything.
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nuggetau
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Other than the bogging issue I am happy to report that I have had no other mechanical issues. There are many design issues that I think need to be corrected. I am not bashing Polaris specifically, I am confounded by peoples resistance and annoyance at anyone who asks for better quality. Innovation and quality are 2 different things. Some seems to think I'm looking for the next big innovation, when in reality what I really want is more quality and reliability from the entire snowmobile industry. I guess some think that is too much to ask, that the status quo is "good Enuf".
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wje_153
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13 pro
I didn't care for my 12 pro last year I wanted my M8 back through out most days but you can't even compare both sleds to my current 13 155 I love the sled for my style of riding although i still don't feel anywhere close to the level of comfort jumping the sled compared to my M but the RMK's performance in the trees makes up for it tremendously, however I ride with 3 Proclimb M8s 1 is a 12 with the updates and 2 are 13 LEs and truth is I do not have enough time to type out everything that I love about the 13 LEs but to get straight to the point the 13 M8 is a contender in the backcountry most Polaris guys are to afraid to admit it or haven't rode one and feel its alright to run their mouth. My 13 RMK Pro has been a great sled but to be honest i was hoping for some changes for 14 I could ask for much more power out of the pro and a better suspension under it. I debated snowchecking a new M8 after all the changes this year but I feel both Polaris and Arctic Cat have big plans for 15. I've bought a new sled every year since I was 18 but since my 13 has been an absolute ripper I'm going to ride it for one more year and see what's in store for 2015.
I didn't care for my 12 pro last year I wanted my M8 back through out most days but you can't even compare both sleds to my current 13 155 I love the sled for my style of riding although i still don't feel anywhere close to the level of comfort jumping the sled compared to my M but the RMK's performance in the trees makes up for it tremendously, however I ride with 3 Proclimb M8s 1 is a 12 with the updates and 2 are 13 LEs and truth is I do not have enough time to type out everything that I love about the 13 LEs but to get straight to the point the 13 M8 is a contender in the backcountry most Polaris guys are to afraid to admit it or haven't rode one and feel its alright to run their mouth. My 13 RMK Pro has been a great sled but to be honest i was hoping for some changes for 14 I could ask for much more power out of the pro and a better suspension under it. I debated snowchecking a new M8 after all the changes this year but I feel both Polaris and Arctic Cat have big plans for 15. I've bought a new sled every year since I was 18 but since my 13 has been an absolute ripper I'm going to ride it for one more year and see what's in store for 2015.
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trackvs2wheels
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Rusty - Appreciate the information, but do you know if/when my 2013 QD drive belt fails on me whether or not Polaris is going to give me one of the newer, harder, better belts to replace it with knowing there is a slight durability issue with the one they sent out on my 2013 from the factory?
Or will this depend on the consumer having a really, really nice dealer who takes care of them???
You keep running your mouth about these supposed design issues that need to be corrected, continually stirring the pot. Ok, what are all of your issues then? Instead of saying how bewildered you are about people that are satisfied with their machines, how about you explain to us all every aspect of the PRO RMK that you would change and how you would do it instead of belittling the rest of us that have no issues. Apparently you're some sort of gift from God to the snowmobiling community and you deserve to have thee absolute latest and greatest piece of equipment.
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nuggetau
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Nuggetau - I know maybe you're not stoked about them not coming out and saying directly that they had small issues in 2013, but what makes you think that behind the scenes they are not actively working to correct the "quality" issues they had last year? You are condemning them for "quality" issues on the 2014's before they even start to think about building next year's sleds...
Just a thought is all
I have no problem with them not saying in so many words that their were problems with some '13's. I have no expectation that they would or should retrofit anything if they make changes to the 14. It simply seems silly not to inform your prospective customer base what changes or improvements they should expect for the new year. I'm not pissed about it, I just think it's stupid marketing.
It seems a few tweeks to make it better than the 13, just like the 12 was better than the 11, the 14 will be better than the 13.
Anyway it saved me from spending 5k on a new sled for next year, I will ride my 11, and 13 for one more year.
The Pro RMK 800 is the #1 selling sled in the mountains. How can Polaris make it even better?
This is what I read on Sled Rumors
The 2014 Polaris Pro RMK gets an improved Quickdrive system, updated piston rings, small refinements and tighter tolerance thresholds to improve reliability.
The Quickdrive belt will be 25% stronger at hot temperatures and 40% stronger at milder heat. The specifications for each pulley will also have a higher production standard to reduce failures before and after the break in period. No tensioner and no machined pulleys.
Improvements to tolerances for the drive and jackshaft as well as torque specifications have changed to eliminate failures and premature shaft/bearing failures. A Service Bulletin was released to adjust torque specs last Friday for the 2013 Pro RMKs that will improve durability as well. The 2014 Polaris Pro RMK 600 and 800 will come with the driveshaft collar from the factory that was added to the 2013 models.
Has anyone posted the Service Bulletin?
Anyway it saved me from spending 5k on a new sled for next year, I will ride my 11, and 13 for one more year.
The Pro RMK 800 is the #1 selling sled in the mountains. How can Polaris make it even better?
This is what I read on Sled Rumors
The 2014 Polaris Pro RMK gets an improved Quickdrive system, updated piston rings, small refinements and tighter tolerance thresholds to improve reliability.
The Quickdrive belt will be 25% stronger at hot temperatures and 40% stronger at milder heat. The specifications for each pulley will also have a higher production standard to reduce failures before and after the break in period. No tensioner and no machined pulleys.
Improvements to tolerances for the drive and jackshaft as well as torque specifications have changed to eliminate failures and premature shaft/bearing failures. A Service Bulletin was released to adjust torque specs last Friday for the 2013 Pro RMKs that will improve durability as well. The 2014 Polaris Pro RMK 600 and 800 will come with the driveshaft collar from the factory that was added to the 2013 models.
Has anyone posted the Service Bulletin?
I don't think it is asking to much to have long term reliability and no short term design issues (i.e.,driveshaft) when you pay upwards of $12k for a new sled. The issues exist for all sleds not just Polaris. In fact Polaris is probably the best out of the box stock mtn sled for the average rider. But you can't deny the long history of engine problems and the current design issues with the driveshaft and to a lesser degree the belt drive.
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nuggetau
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Jeez, who knew that asking that a manufacturer build a more reliable product was so controversial?
Perfectionists drive almost all innovation and quality improvements because they can't stand the status quo and they see ways to improve things.
Conversely, I think those who accept the status quo live happier lives.
Perfectionists drive almost all innovation and quality improvements because they can't stand the status quo and they see ways to improve things.
Conversely, I think those who accept the status quo live happier lives.
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Jaynelson
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Why are you so certain they have not made QC improvements in the areas/parts of concern? They did not advertise internal motor improvements for 2013, but obviously something is better. I think they are doing exactly what you're hoping for, just under the radar. They aren't willing to come out and say they goofed up in previous years....sled manufacturers just don't do that. They should, but they don't, and that's that. There is nothing un-fixable by warranty or updates on the 2013's....the issues existed, but not nearly at "black plague" 900 RMK/07 Rev type levels, so they quietly move on and the 2014 is the more reliable version the 2013 SHOULD have been. One man's opinion. I don't see anything to be steamed over...
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63nova
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2013 motor is a time bomb?? I'm just not hearing that this year on Snowest. Did you perhaps fall asleep in you Delorean and end up in 2008?
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geo
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I can say the very same thing about my Cats, no issues on mine.....no epidemic of issues for any of the brands really........I may wave a carrot but I wont drink the coolaidso there
Hey Dave. Good to see you over here. Ready to jump yet lol.
I know, I know, it's just a joke. What in the world would the black helicopters do if they didn't have you to follow.lol
Okay, the 12 Cat "belt-China bearing-fatter wallet" thing was just an issue. An issue that started the longest thread in SW history lol. An issue that was not addressed with a "fix" by Cat until the next season and then only if the dealer was willing to work at it. An issue that is still discussed at the dealer meeting-model showing this season. An issue that caused a couple of sledders to switch brands like me.
I believed you when you said you didn't have an issue. I saw it myself on a few other Cat's. I didn't even have a big issue cause I changed everything I saw wrong before it happened.
I find it a bit funny too, that this issue is still being handled-cured today the same way I dealt with my issues back then with a few new twists lol.
I have to say one thing to you Dave, if you remember you said "I just don't get it" back then. Do you see it now?
I see the issues with the QD and IMO they are far less wide spread than the issues I saw with my last sled.
To the moderators I see this post as flowing it this thread because I believe in the QC and quality of parts in the Pro. I see it from a different point of view than some might because of my past experiences.
I still think if Poo only improves a few things on the 14 they're moving in the correct direction cause my 13's bin great.
Everything has issues. Pick the one that fits with the least.
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Dabull
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I can say the very same thing about my Cats, no issues on mine.....no epidemic of issues for any of the brands really........I may wave a carrot but I wont drink the coolaid
oh Dave,go back to the cat forum,spend a full season on something other then a cat and your words might mean something..
oh Dave,go back to the cat forum,spend a full season on something other then a cat and your words might mean something..
No thanks
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nuggetau
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You misunderstand me if you think I'm "steamed", I'm not. I just think it would be prudent of them to say what if anything is different from year to year. I would give them props if they come out and said" we had a few problems, here is how we are addressing them for '14." Telling people the truth builds confidence.
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nuggetau
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Some of you are interpreting things I am not saying.
Everything I attempted to say can be boiled down to this. Humans are imperfect so we will never build perfect machines, all I ask from the manufacturers is correct as many of the known flaws from year to year. Do you really think that is unreasonable? Building for reliability and durability would be a big selling point.
These sleds already can do almost anything you have the skill to pull off in the most extreme terrain, so we really don't need sleds with more capabilities(lighter, more hp, etc.) I would propose that the new innovation should be "durability and reliability."
Everything I attempted to say can be boiled down to this. Humans are imperfect so we will never build perfect machines, all I ask from the manufacturers is correct as many of the known flaws from year to year. Do you really think that is unreasonable? Building for reliability and durability would be a big selling point.
These sleds already can do almost anything you have the skill to pull off in the most extreme terrain, so we really don't need sleds with more capabilities(lighter, more hp, etc.) I would propose that the new innovation should be "durability and reliability."
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There is a new quick drive belt and little odds and ends, i love the new graphics on the 14s
There is a new quick drive belt and little odds and ends, i love the new graphics on the 14s
