Question to the Performance/Modified forum users.
Would you like me to create a sub-forum in here just for CLUTCHING threads??
Would you like me to create a sub-forum in here just for CLUTCHING threads??
Would you like a CLUTCHING forum??
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good idea but can you leave all the brand specific clutch threads in their respective sub forums and just link to them from this thread..that way if someone goes to the cat m series or xp or poo dragon sub forums they will still find the thread for their machine....and then all genaric clutching threads placed here along with the specific brand/sled thread links?
If we go down this path with a new forum, we will need a Moderator to run it, and building up that list of Links would be up to him/her.
Could it be done, Absolutely.
It would just take time and effort to make it happen.
Could it be done, Absolutely.
It would just take time and effort to make it happen.
Almost all clutching questions are tied to a particular sled at a particular elevation so you end up back at the current subforum for your sled. If I was going to experiment with different clutch helix angles, weights, springs etc, I would think that people with experience with my particular machine would be the most helpful?
I am a complete rookie at clutching, so what would be the advantage to a new clutching subforum?
I am a complete rookie at clutching, so what would be the advantage to a new clutching subforum?
I think you know how I feel about this. I think a clutching specific forum would be a ton of help. Always have and am actually shocked there isn't already one.
I am going to let the members decide this one.
I agree 100% It's just spreading thing to thin. Clutching needs to stay where it mostly is. In the sled specific forum.
We have too many subforums right now in my opinion. Like stated above the clutching can go in the brand specific forums or in the Performance/Modified.
Clutching Sub-Forum
If it was set-up right it could be a quick source of information for everyone.
The main P.I.T.A would be getting the information from the sled specific forums while keeping the threads there. Then keeping everything current.
I think it's amazing there hasn't been a push for this sooner. With the cost of belt's, weights, helix's and misc. other parts continually rising that more people would not want to make a more informed decision on what they need to change to get better performance. I would guess 90% of the people are running what the other 10% said worked good for them.
If it was set-up right it could be a quick source of information for everyone.
The main P.I.T.A would be getting the information from the sled specific forums while keeping the threads there. Then keeping everything current.
I think it's amazing there hasn't been a push for this sooner. With the cost of belt's, weights, helix's and misc. other parts continually rising that more people would not want to make a more informed decision on what they need to change to get better performance. I would guess 90% of the people are running what the other 10% said worked good for them.
As a moderator, you have the ability to make a copy of any thread and place it in a different location.
So.
If done right, this new forum would have copies of all the clutching information from the 4 main sled forums while NOT effecting the main forums at all.
But, this is up to the members.
Lets let this poll run through next weekend.
If there is a clear majority that wants it, AND we have someone who is willing to moderate it, then I will create it.
So.
If done right, this new forum would have copies of all the clutching information from the 4 main sled forums while NOT effecting the main forums at all.
But, this is up to the members.
Lets let this poll run through next weekend.
If there is a clear majority that wants it, AND we have someone who is willing to moderate it, then I will create it.
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I think the best idea would be to make some sticky threads that link to the other forums and talk about specific clutches.
Once the forum is established I think more and more people will be posting there. It would be nice to talk about theory, what helps, what doesn't etc.
Once the forum is established I think more and more people will be posting there. It would be nice to talk about theory, what helps, what doesn't etc.
Clutching is sled specific, and is discussed already in it's separate BRAND category.
Do you then start a category for each OTHER individual part of the drivetrain?
Motors? Diamond Drives? Chaincase? Driveshafts? Suspensions? Tracks?
These are all key to performance as well.
Keep it simple, we need to LOSE subcategories, not create more.
A large part of the reason that people feel there is less help and input on the forums is due to the Dilution of information into more categories. I have found topics six months old that I would have loved to participate in, but didn't happen to open the right subcategory that week.
Do you then start a category for each OTHER individual part of the drivetrain?
Motors? Diamond Drives? Chaincase? Driveshafts? Suspensions? Tracks?
These are all key to performance as well.
Keep it simple, we need to LOSE subcategories, not create more.
A large part of the reason that people feel there is less help and input on the forums is due to the Dilution of information into more categories. I have found topics six months old that I would have loved to participate in, but didn't happen to open the right subcategory that week.
Clutching is pretty unique. There are very few things that have a clutch like a snowmobile, which is why I think a seperate area is needed.
I agree, snowmobile clutching is very unique, so much so that each manufacturer, even each model series, even certain segmented years have their own special quirks.
Why would you want to lump all of those quirks together, after painstakingly separating these unique machines into subforums?
I own several m-series, my dad's king cat, my daughters phazer, the pasture puller 550 mountain cat, a 120, and a kitty cat. If you read between the comma's, that represents SIX completely different clutch systems. I can currently pick the model and manufacturer and find that specific info in that specific category.
Why do I want to go to a subforum "clutches" just to search through all of the ski-doo, polaris, cat, yamaha setups when that information belongs in the brand/model specific to the machine of interest.
Yes, there are similarities in all of the above clutches, so maybe a "Clutching 101" would be useful for clutching basics. However, once beyond the basics you get down to exact modifications, rider wieght, elevation, type of riding, etc. that is too specific to be lumped into one category.
Why would you want to lump all of those quirks together, after painstakingly separating these unique machines into subforums?
I own several m-series, my dad's king cat, my daughters phazer, the pasture puller 550 mountain cat, a 120, and a kitty cat. If you read between the comma's, that represents SIX completely different clutch systems. I can currently pick the model and manufacturer and find that specific info in that specific category.
Why do I want to go to a subforum "clutches" just to search through all of the ski-doo, polaris, cat, yamaha setups when that information belongs in the brand/model specific to the machine of interest.
Yes, there are similarities in all of the above clutches, so maybe a "Clutching 101" would be useful for clutching basics. However, once beyond the basics you get down to exact modifications, rider wieght, elevation, type of riding, etc. that is too specific to be lumped into one category.
Sure there are differences from brand to brand, etc. But the general theory behind it is still the same. I personally would like to see a clutching forum with a moderator that really knows a lot about it, I would even suggest that snowest bring in a "clutching forum sponsors" (maybe someone like Cutlers).
To have it all organized in one place would be nice. Even if you are not riding an XP (for example) there is a lot to be learned when someone else is having problems. There is also a lot of knowledge on these forums. So say someone rides a Poo, and another person is having an issue on a Doo. Well there is little chance that the guy who is always in the Poo forums will ever help the guy on the Doo, simply because not everyone goes into those brand specific forums (unless they have that sled).
I do think it should be a SUB-Forum to Performance. It really just helps if you want to educate yourself. You can go into the forum and just browse that area and read. Of course having someone moderate it properly helps. I always hate when someone starts a topic that says "HELP ME!!!". I think a mod should edit these topics to read, "Please help, clutch burning up belts" or "XP burning up belts".
I say the above to kind of help people stop posting generic subjects to topics. Anyway, I am kind of rambling, but I have been on a lot of different forums and the ones that are better organized generally have more sub-forums and are much easier to find information. Go check out vwvortex.com for a good example. That place has a TON of bs posts but they get weeded out quickly by good moderating and the use of several sub-forums.
They have several MAIN Forums and then it breaks down from there. Here is an example of their "Technical forum"
http://forums.vwvortex.com/forumdisplay.php?5003-Technical-(VW-Audi)
That is just the "technical" area's sub-forums. Yeah it might seem like a lot but when you really need to find an answer it certainly helps. Each of those sub-forums is FULL of information including stickies, DIY, etc, etc. Some have links to other areas, but the information is there.
I know some people will get confused on where to post something, but that is where the moderators come in. It is really their job to insure that a topic is in the right area. That doesn't mean just post where you want and let a mod move it, you need to at least try.
BTW... I bought this Cutlers clutching book and it HELPED me a ton to understand more about clutching:
http://www.cpcracing.com/site/256083/product/CP-000-0099
There is a lot of information in there, it is completely worth it. Once I started reading it I couldn't put it down.
To have it all organized in one place would be nice. Even if you are not riding an XP (for example) there is a lot to be learned when someone else is having problems. There is also a lot of knowledge on these forums. So say someone rides a Poo, and another person is having an issue on a Doo. Well there is little chance that the guy who is always in the Poo forums will ever help the guy on the Doo, simply because not everyone goes into those brand specific forums (unless they have that sled).
I do think it should be a SUB-Forum to Performance. It really just helps if you want to educate yourself. You can go into the forum and just browse that area and read. Of course having someone moderate it properly helps. I always hate when someone starts a topic that says "HELP ME!!!". I think a mod should edit these topics to read, "Please help, clutch burning up belts" or "XP burning up belts".
I say the above to kind of help people stop posting generic subjects to topics. Anyway, I am kind of rambling, but I have been on a lot of different forums and the ones that are better organized generally have more sub-forums and are much easier to find information. Go check out vwvortex.com for a good example. That place has a TON of bs posts but they get weeded out quickly by good moderating and the use of several sub-forums.
They have several MAIN Forums and then it breaks down from there. Here is an example of their "Technical forum"
http://forums.vwvortex.com/forumdisplay.php?5003-Technical-(VW-Audi)
That is just the "technical" area's sub-forums. Yeah it might seem like a lot but when you really need to find an answer it certainly helps. Each of those sub-forums is FULL of information including stickies, DIY, etc, etc. Some have links to other areas, but the information is there.
I know some people will get confused on where to post something, but that is where the moderators come in. It is really their job to insure that a topic is in the right area. That doesn't mean just post where you want and let a mod move it, you need to at least try.
BTW... I bought this Cutlers clutching book and it HELPED me a ton to understand more about clutching:
http://www.cpcracing.com/site/256083/product/CP-000-0099
There is a lot of information in there, it is completely worth it. Once I started reading it I couldn't put it down.
Milehighassassin, I think the real question here is another sub-forum not what's going to be in it. I think if Christopher proposed a "P*RN" sub-forum there would be just as many against it
This is the part of the conversion to a Pay site that makes me scratch my head.
We were told they had to change the lay out with sub-forums to make the info easier to find, now they want to limit the number of sub-forums?
I know they are trying to find a happy medium with all the members, but this is one of the decisions that need to made by either HP, A vote of all the mods, or all the members. Not just the vocal few.
Seeing as how less than half of the members that have read the thread have voted. The "I don't give a sh#t enough to vote" are winning
This is the part of the conversion to a Pay site that makes me scratch my head.
We were told they had to change the lay out with sub-forums to make the info easier to find, now they want to limit the number of sub-forums?
I know they are trying to find a happy medium with all the members, but this is one of the decisions that need to made by either HP, A vote of all the mods, or all the members. Not just the vocal few.
Seeing as how less than half of the members that have read the thread have voted. The "I don't give a sh#t enough to vote" are winning
In the end, I am going to let the members make the decission on this issue.
But here is some grist for the mill.
This morning I ran some sample advanced searches just to get a feel for how much information is stored here on SnoWest about Clutches and Clutching.
Here is what I found.
The Artic Cat forum has a total of 138,655 posts in it.
Of those I found the following Key Word Results.
Clutch = 3,166
Clutching = 2,115
Clutch Setup = 427
Helix = 1,287
The Polaris forum has a total of 131,531 posts in it.
Of those I found the following Key Word Results.
Clutch = 2,861
Clutching = 1,702
Clutch Setup = 436
Helix = 951
The Ski-Doo forum has a total of 87,808 posts in it.
Of those I found the following Key Word Results.
Clutch = 2,417
Clutching = 1,322
Clutch Setup = 330
Helix = 637
The Yamaha forum has a total of 60,154 posts in it.
Of those I found the following Key Word Results.
Clutch = 711
Clutching = 615
Clutch Setup = 93
Helix = 305
As can be seen by these numbers, there are a LOT of posts out there that someone who is searching for information on "Clutching" will have to wade through in order to find the hidden "pearls" that are buried in all of these posts.
The debate over more or less forums will likely never end.
But the desire to make all of the information stored on SnoWest easier to find and more accessible to members and guests alike is pretty universal. The search engine can only get you close, at best, you still have to spend a good deal of your time wading through the long lists of "Hits" and browsing over the contents in order to find exactly what your looking for.
But here is some grist for the mill.
This morning I ran some sample advanced searches just to get a feel for how much information is stored here on SnoWest about Clutches and Clutching.
Here is what I found.
The Artic Cat forum has a total of 138,655 posts in it.
Of those I found the following Key Word Results.
Clutch = 3,166
Clutching = 2,115
Clutch Setup = 427
Helix = 1,287
The Polaris forum has a total of 131,531 posts in it.
Of those I found the following Key Word Results.
Clutch = 2,861
Clutching = 1,702
Clutch Setup = 436
Helix = 951
The Ski-Doo forum has a total of 87,808 posts in it.
Of those I found the following Key Word Results.
Clutch = 2,417
Clutching = 1,322
Clutch Setup = 330
Helix = 637
The Yamaha forum has a total of 60,154 posts in it.
Of those I found the following Key Word Results.
Clutch = 711
Clutching = 615
Clutch Setup = 93
Helix = 305
As can be seen by these numbers, there are a LOT of posts out there that someone who is searching for information on "Clutching" will have to wade through in order to find the hidden "pearls" that are buried in all of these posts.
The debate over more or less forums will likely never end.
But the desire to make all of the information stored on SnoWest easier to find and more accessible to members and guests alike is pretty universal. The search engine can only get you close, at best, you still have to spend a good deal of your time wading through the long lists of "Hits" and browsing over the contents in order to find exactly what your looking for.
looks to me that searching will get you the more specific results. I foresee a sub-forum being created, then people still posting clutching questions in there specific forum, then getting PO'd when it gets moved to the clutching sub-forum.
Searching is a great tool to find specific information, IMO.
Searching is a great tool to find specific information, IMO.
NO.
The suggestion at the beginning was that NO THREADS BE MOVED.
Only selected threads be COPIED into this new forum.
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