Who wants to work?

[Mafesto]

I am fortunate that I get the opportunity to visit about business with many of our clients.
Nearly every one of them could grow their business if they could find more key people. People willing to take ownership and responsibility.
I enjoy reading threads on here trying to learn from the smart and successful among us.
If you can relate, I would love to read your take on this subject.

 

[slednutz]

We have an accounting firm with multiple locations and our issue is finding the talent that wants to work in a smaller town. Offering increased pay/benefits has not helped us draw people to the area. We have not resorted to recruiting firm's yet, but are going to have to go that route if the traditional methods do not work. If we lose a key employee we would be lucky to fill that same position within a one year time frame due to the credentials needed.

 

[Pro-8250]

It seems to me that to much emphasis is on having a degree. (A piece of paper).
I invite you to spend 8 minutes and watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NwEFVUb-u0

 

[christopher]

 

[Mafesto]

Our kindergarten teacher had a good saying.
She said....
A good man is hard to find, and a hard man is good to find.

 

[polaris dude]

I doubt the positions pay that well if they are actually having trouble finding candidates to fill them. And I mean they must not pay well relative to the position as a whole. Then again I was compensated well to move to Colorado so dangling enough money usually works

 

[gonehuntnpowder]

I was in meetings a while back with GM. They said the average age of techs in GM dealerships is 53. There is a giant hole in the workforce right now in skilled labor.

 

[Red Mtn]

I doubt the positions pay that well if they are actually having trouble finding candidates to fill them. And I mean they must not pay well relative to the position as a whole. Then again I was compensated well to move to Colorado so dangling enough money usually works

I think this is closer to the truth. If business owners were willing to REALLY pay for key people, they would have no trouble filling positions.


The emphasis on a degree is a problem too. I had WAY more experience but not the degree, kept me from getting the cushy job. Decision maker was an MBA, obviously trying to keep it "in the club" so to speak.


I have tons too offer, a solid resume, superb work history and references. Instead, I work construction because it pays better.


Most small business owners are loathe to really pay for decent management even when it is the part of the business they hate the most. If you would be willing to pay someone to handle most of the headaches, you could work the part of the business that you like, usually the basic hands on part strangely enough...


Bottom line, Good people cost Good money. Willingness to pay good money for good people will pay off beyond any other investment you can make. In most cases, personal greed trumps this and companies suffer because of it.


Watch yourself a few episodes of undercover boss to see how completely out of touch management usually is with the people doing the work. Check out the income spread and the workload and tell me it isn't just plain old fashioned greed.

 

[allied1]

Muh free time and all, yo....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/us/ohio-factory-owner-cnntv/index.html

 

[Mafesto]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/us/ohio-factory-owner-cnntv/index.html

There are libbies on this site that will chime in and say drug testing violates the applicants rights, and should have no bearing on hiring/firing.

 

[allied1]

I'm glad I live in a right to work state. Oh, BTW, FUK LIBBIES!!!!

 

[polaris dude]

I think this is closer to the truth. If business owners were willing to REALLY pay for key people, they would have no trouble filling positions.


The emphasis on a degree is a problem too. I had WAY more experience but not the degree, kept me from getting the cushy job. Decision maker was an MBA, obviously trying to keep it "in the club" so to speak.


I have tons too offer, a solid resume, superb work history and references. Instead, I work construction because it pays better.


Most small business owners are loathe to really pay for decent management even when it is the part of the business they hate the most. If you would be willing to pay someone to handle most of the headaches, you could work the part of the business that you like, usually the basic hands on part strangely enough...


Bottom line, Good people cost Good money. Willingness to pay good money for good people will pay off beyond any other investment you can make. In most cases, personal greed trumps this and companies suffer because of it.


Watch yourself a few episodes of undercover boss to see how completely out of touch management usually is with the people doing the work. Check out the income spread and the workload and tell me it isn't just plain old fashioned greed.

Yeah, but paying someone good money to deal with headaches typically eats a big chunk out of the owner's pocket because they used to deal with that crap. I can understand why they try to hire help without forking over a premium, but they can't complain that "good help is hard to find" when the real answer is that "good help knows their worth"

Sadly we all know that whenever there is an economic downturn there tends to be more people than jobs and then there is a lot of downward pressure on salaries :/. Luckily we are still going up and GDP increasing remarkably well so for the next year or 2 at least middle class salaries should keep going up as the unemployment % remains low

 

[Hughes]

I think this is closer to the truth. If business owners were willing to REALLY pay for key people, they would have no trouble filling positions.


The emphasis on a degree is a problem too. I had WAY more experience but not the degree, kept me from getting the cushy job. Decision maker was an MBA, obviously trying to keep it "in the club" so to speak.


I have tons too offer, a solid resume, superb work history and references. Instead, I work construction because it pays better.


Most small business owners are loathe to really pay for decent management even when it is the part of the business they hate the most. If you would be willing to pay someone to handle most of the headaches, you could work the part of the business that you like, usually the basic hands on part strangely enough...


Bottom line, Good people cost Good money. Willingness to pay good money for good people will pay off beyond any other investment you can make. In most cases, personal greed trumps this and companies suffer because of it.


Watch yourself a few episodes of undercover boss to see how completely out of touch management usually is with the people doing the work. Check out the income spread and the workload and tell me it isn't just plain old fashioned greed.

Exactly, well said.

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[Red Mtn]

If you want people to take "ownership and responsibility" they will expect the same in return, a piece of the ownership and/or substantial compensation. Commitment like that requires a serious commitment from BOTH sides. When the employer is really ready to make that commitment a suitable candidate should be easy to attract.

 

[LoudHandle]

Generation X and the Mennennial's

I've found that the vast majority of Generation X'rs and the Mellennial's have self appointed themselves to Pre-maddona status and think they are entitled to the wage that reflects that status. When the reality is they are complete bumbling idiots and can not do anything that they claim. Their Resumes are complete fiction and useless in the selection process.

As far a degrees go; IMO they have always been useless, all college does is beat any common sense they had going in, clean out of them and then brainwashes them into being a useless non-thinking liberal democrat idiot (just like all the Professors).

Real Competence is very scarce these days. The majority do not want to put forth the effort to make themselves a true asset to the employer and actually earn their wage, whatever that may be.

 

[Mafesto]

If you want people to take "ownership and responsibility" they will expect the same in return, a piece of the ownership and/or substantial compensation. Commitment like that requires a serious commitment from BOTH sides. When the employer is really ready to make that commitment a suitable candidate should be easy to attract.

What ever happened to proving your value and working your way up?

 

[Red Mtn]

What ever happened to proving your value and working your way up?

Ummm, no problem but at nearly 50 I would like to rest on at least a few of my proven accomplishments.


It didn't sound like you were talking about entry level positions either but key people with skills to move a business forward.


You STILL have to make it worth someones while to come aboard. Then the trust has to be built. If you not very good at judging people, you should probably stay out of business.


That also sounds strangely like code for " come get taken advantage of". Sounds like an offer to help someone else get ahead at your expense...


I have owned and run business' successfully. I have had 35+ employees and moved $4 million a year + in product. I have definitely been on both sides.

 

[gonehuntnpowder]

Where I am at (new car store) we probably have half a dozen or so guys in their 20's making 80 to 150K. Every one of them are hungry fire pi$$ers who earns every penny they make.
That being said I think experience makes a good manager. When you are young be that fire pi$$er. Learn from your victories and your defeats. If you are good and maintain a positive attitude the chance will come.

 

[warreng417]

The way I see it, business owners will always put high profit and juniors college fund first over their employees.

 

[Futy Warington]

"I've found that the vast majority of Generation X'rs and the Mellennial's have self appointed themselves to Pre-maddona status and think they are entitled to the wage that reflects that status. When the reality is they are complete bumbling idiots and can not do anything that they claim. Their Resumes are complete fiction and useless in the selection process."

Prima Donna. Not Pre Madonna. Its an opera term that's been around a lot longer than Madonna, though she would qualify as one. And yes, decent help is hard to come by. So is decent employment and employers. Every generation likes to pronounce judgement on what follows. In my experience, you find what you're looking for, so why not look for the good a little more?