my dad just got a nytro after riding his apex for a few years. Hes been on yamaha since the dawn of time and he thinks the nytro is the best sled he has ever owned in his life. the power is not like the apex but i found the handling to be nicer and its lighter. I love my apex and would prolly not trade it for a stock nytro, but they are prolly better for boondockin. IMO timberlsed is prolly the number one thing to do to a yamaha next to boost.