Where to buy PCV?? And what maps to run

[Skidoox600]

Hey all,

Well going to get a 09 800 RMK 155 this weekend. Sled is bone stock, and will be getting the update for duel ring piston and and head. Also I hear that comes with a re-flash? Should I get the re-flash too?

PCV,

Where should I buy it at? Best price? Also what maps to run? Sled will be bone stock beside clutch kit, vents, and maybe can for now. I ride in the trees/medium hills/boondocking.... What do you all recommend? All the help would be great!

 

[skibreeze]

I found that Fuel Moto was the cheapest for the PCV

 

[diamonddave]

Buy it from SLP with their map. They recommend that the best performance and runnability is with Polaris' first 2010 update map NOT with the 2nd, Jan 2010 map.


I concur with this 100%. completely different running sled.

 

[Skidoox600]

Do you have any info on that map release so when I take it in I know that i'm getting the right one?

 

[diamonddave]

Do you have any info on that map release so when I take it in I know that i'm getting the right one?

Just request at the time the dealer takes your sled in for the piston update that they flash the ECU with the first 2010 map.

 

[jim9006]

This what you need to know about the Polaris flashes.

The 800 has 3 injector colors (dots located on body of each injector) - Blue, red, Yellow. All injectors should be of the same color.

The 01-11-10 flash number = Blue 4013066 , Red 4013065 , Yellow 4013067

Original 2010 update flash = Blue 4012959 , Red 4012958 , Yellow 4012960

You can have your dealer run a "Service Report" and it will list the "Software part #" That will tell you what you have loaded.

I'd have to lookup the latest releases if you need those flash numbers. The original 2010 update flash is what most available PC5 maps are based on.

 

[Kraven]

SLP maps for STOCK PIPES

Buy it from SLP with their map. They recommend that the best performance and runnability is with Polaris' first 2010 update map NOT with the 2nd, Jan 2010 map.


I concur with this 100%. completely different running sled.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought SLP did NOT offer a map for a STOCK pipe, which the O/P is running???????

 

[diamonddave]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought SLP did NOT offer a map for a STOCK pipe, which the O/P is running???????

SLP DOES state their testing and map for the PCV is done with an SLP pipe and can, high flow intake. Of course a company like SLP isn't going to advertise their maps will work well with stock pipes as they want to sell as many pipes as they can. I think we can understand that.

They advertise no reflash is needed to install their pipe and can right?


In my testing last season, I found the SLP mapping in the PCV with the original 2010 flash was just about spot on running the stock pipe and stock can. When I reinstalled my SLP pipe and can, I noticed even better runnability with an increase of 125-150 RPM's during climbs. Plug chops were perfect looking to me. Throttle repsonse was way better.

This season I have alot of different things I will be testing and am looking forward to getting it on.

 

[Kraven]

SLP DOES state their testing and map for the PCV is done with an SLP pipe and can, high flow intake. Of course a company like SLP isn't going to advertise their maps will work well with stock pipes as they want to sell as many pipes as they can. I think we can understand that.

They advertise no reflash is needed to install their pipe and can right?


In my testing last season, I found the SLP mapping in the PCV with the original 2010 flash was just about spot on running the stock pipe and stock can. When I reinstalled my SLP pipe and can, I noticed even better runnability with an increase of 125-150 RPM's during climbs. Plug chops were perfect looking to me. Throttle repsonse was way better.

This season I have alot of different things I will be testing and am looking forward to getting it on.

So you're saying that STOCK pipe and SLP piped 800's use the same fuel mapping?

And SLP keeps this a secret because they want to sell more pipes?

Interesting................................................................................

I can tell you this, I have both DYNOTECH Maps for the SLP single and the Stock pipe, and even though there are similarities between the 2, and I could see it working, there's also significant differences on TOP end to extent that I would not want to "swap" maps between stock and SLP piped sleds.

I.M.O., if you have a STOCK piped combo, run a map that's been created after running and analyzing A/F's on a STOCK pipe.

 

[Skidoox600]

makes sense!

 

[edgexcsp]

So I just picked up a used PCV. Is Dynotech the place to get a map? My sled is bone stock and more than likely will stay that way. Should I just call them up and they can point me in towards the right map?

 

[Kraven]

DYNOTECH JIM (585) 993-2777

So I just picked up a used PCV. Is Dynotech the place to get a map? My sled is bone stock and more than likely will stay that way. Should I just call them up and they can point me in towards the right map?

Jim's cell (585) 993-2777

$25.00 annual subscription

www.dynotechresearch.com

Access to maps and last 20 years of dyno reports and write-ups including the 2011 RUSH 800 just dynoed earlier this week, and the up-coming 2011 800 dyno session to include some inexpensive bolt-on performance mods, STAY TUNED!

Jim has several maps for the 800, based on the different re-flashes and PIPE combos.

He also has several different maps for the 700, STOCK and SLP pipe, 2007, 2008's (RICH & LEAN versions)

 

[edgexcsp]

Thanks Kraven, I will give Jim a call and find out what he recomends for a map and pick his brain about the old 800.

I am coming off an 05 edge that was set up spot on (using a lot of your tips ) for a stock sled and I am really hoping to get the same kinda performance out of my Dragon. It was a struggle to let the old girl go but my riding style really lends itself to the rider forward chassis.

 

[diamonddave]

Did Dynotech come out west to altitude and customize maps for both stock and SLP piped sleds?

OR....are they "hoping" that their maps that have been set up AT 1,000 ft altitude going to be sufficent based on changes made by the sleds' on board sensors?


Bottom line...you push Dyntotech, I push SLP. SLP tests in the mountains. SLP is in bed with Carls and Polaris. SLP doesn't charge $25 for their maps. I ride mountains and higher altitudes. Therefore, I like to get my performance parts from the companies that test in the mountains.


Like I stated before, SLP states their maps are set up for SLP piped and intake 800 CFI's. I stated that the same SLPmap can be used not SLP. You're trying to compare apples and oranges when throwing in Dynotechs 2 different maps to SLP's. There are sometimes more than one way to skin a cat. This is one of those times.

In my testing, the SLP map when used with the stock pipe and can has/had excellent pull on the top end and is more than safe. The SLP pipe and can when used with the PCV and SLP's map is even better.

 

[crashnbash]

Slp makes alot of good products. Dynotech publishes very accurate test results for alot of different products. Slp is at about 5000'. Dynotech is in NY (don't know their elevation there). Slp has good tech support, even though their answer is somtimes a product they sell. Dynotech also has good tech support. Both have done alot of testing on their maps, slp on their own, Dynotech on a dyno and with guys running his maps and letting him know about any flaws in it (sealevel to high elevation). Bottom line is both are very qualified to make maps, and both run well.
I would pay the $25 bucks to have acess to Dynotechs website just for the independent dyno information alone, then you have access to his fuel maps for free also.

 

[Kraven]

Did Dynotech come out west to altitude and customize maps for both stock and SLP piped sleds?

OR....are they "hoping" that their maps that have been set up AT 1,000 ft altitude going to be sufficent based on changes made by the sleds' on board sensors? No, see paragraph # 8 below


Bottom line...you push Dyntotech, I push SLP. SLP tests in the mountains. SLP is in bed with Carls and Polaris. SLP doesn't charge $25 for their maps. I ride mountains and higher altitudes. Therefore, I like to get my performance parts from the companies that test in the mountains.


Like I stated before, SLP states their maps are set up for SLP piped and intake 800 CFI's. I stated that the same SLPmap can be used not SLP. You're trying to compare apples and oranges when throwing in Dynotechs 2 different maps to SLP's. There are sometimes more than one way to skin a cat. This is one of those times. APples and oranges? That would be like trying to use a map designed for an aftermarket pipe on a stock piped sled?

In my testing, the SLP map when used with the stock pipe and can has/had excellent pull on the top end and is more than safe. The SLP pipe and can when used with the PCV and SLP's map is even better.And what A/F's did you see during your testing?

Dave,

I'm PRO-Whatever works.

If you took the time to read my TECH TIPS & BEST BANG for the Buck Mods thread under "INCREASING YOUR IQ" and a different one in the EDGE Section, you'll see that I currently use and recommend many SLP products in addition to using many SLP bolt-ons and services over the years.

Dynotech Jim has taken the time to fine tune several different maps for VARIOUS re-flash versions of the 800 STOCK pipe and different aftermarket pipes, and offers them to the public. Now in the never ending quest to duplicate real world conditions, Jim has installed a cold air refrigeration unit to provide 20* air intake to the engine. How many dyno guys have that?

SLP has not done so.

In a PERFECT WORLD, We would ALL like for SLP & DYNOTECH & Carl's (collectively) to test our own personal sled on a dyno, fine tune the A/F and then field test it for a week to fine tune even further.

Since that option is un-available, I'll have to settle for the guy spending the time dyno-ing the same engine / pipe combo and rely on the E.C.U. to compensate for the elevation change.

And unless you're riding at the exact same elevation, exact same temperature (perhaps warm air in SLP's dyno room??), air density, angle of the sun, and color of your sled, tested at SLP in Idaho Falls, you're relying on the E.C.U. to compensate for those differences as well.

There's several members here on Sno West, running SLP pipes and Dynotech maps at higher elevations and are very happy with them. Some high altitude riders send feed-back to DYNOTECH Jim (= real world testing / verification)

As posted previously, I have compared the maps for the SLP pipe and STOCK pipe, and if anyone compared these side by side, given a choice, there's no way anyone would elect to "swap " maps on their sleds.

Makes sense to me.............................................................

 

[PalousePoo]

SLP told me they don't have a map for a "stock" sled. Why run a map for a piped sled, which would be richer, and not get the full benefits of buying a pc? I've subscribed to Dynotech and Jim will send me two slightly different maps for a stock D8 for free, as soon as I e-mail and request it. I bought my pc through a western power sports dealer who is a friend and gives me good prices.

 

[edgexcsp]

For me I think that Dynotech makes the most sense. I am new to the fuel injected sled and therefore the fuel controller so to have access to the articles and dyno tests is a huge advantage from an educational stand point. I bought the PCV because I am leery of the stock fuel map and want a map designed for my sled and flash. I don't think that an SLP map for a pipe and can will make me feel good. On top of that Dynotech is and hour from my house so he is building maps and testing sleds in at the same environment/elevation that I am going to ride for the most part.

This forum has been a huge help in pointing me in the right direction on where to go with this sled so I am not trying to discount anyone's opinion I am just stated the conclusion that I have to come to with your help.

Thank you for all the info.

 

[diamonddave]

For me I think that Dynotech makes the most sense. I am new to the fuel injected sled and therefore the fuel controller so to have access to the articles and dyno tests is a huge advantage from an educational stand point. I bought the PCV because I am leery of the stock fuel map and want a map designed for my sled and flash. I don't think that an SLP map for a pipe and can will make me feel good. On top of that Dynotech is and hour from my house so he is building maps and testing sleds in at the same environment/elevation that I am going to ride for the most part.

This forum has been a huge help in pointing me in the right direction on where to go with this sled so I am not trying to discount anyone's opinion I am just stated the conclusion that I have to come to with your help.

Thank you for all the info.

EXACTLY!!! For the reasons you specified, you're probably better off going with Dynotechs map. Dyntotech is in your backyard...SLP is kind of in my back yard. Location, location, location. SLP rides and tests in the mountains. SLP's testing and products mirror my ridng areas and altitudes. IMO, if you ride the mountains, you should go with SLP. If you ride low altitudes, then by all means go with Dynotech.



Kraven is commenting on something he has no idea about. It is apples and oranges when trying to compare Dynotech's stock and SLP piped maps to SLP's maps. He commented how close they (Dyno's maps) were. But then he shoots down SLP's map without verification based on the difference in Dynotechs maps? He's basing his comments about how there's no way SLP's map can work based on Dynotechs maps? This is apples and oranges.

He's never stated that he has even seen or analyzed SLP's map and/or compared so how can he know for sure?

He's completely discounting MY real world testing without even knowing me or having been there with me when I did my testing. This is based on what?

If we really want to get crazy about this...How many maps does Dynotech have for all of the different muffler (can) options out there? I mean if we're going to get this sticky about stock pipe and SLP pipe, then what about all of the different can options? All cans are not the same!! What about the gearing, clutching, and track differences between all of the sleds out there? Because all of these things are going to affect the load on the engine.


Probably the most important thing left out here is the nice thing about the PCV is we can CHANGE or ADJUST fueling in many areas of throttle position REGARDLESS of whose map you run. You are not STUCK with someones map. We can compensate for all of the different variables IE pipes, mufflers, gearing. The proper way to tune these sleds is to have EGT's and or A/F gauges and perform plug readings.


The SLP map (stock head) is plenty safe with the stock pipe and muffler. In fact, you'll be so happy with it, you'll want to purchase their pipe and can!

 

[Kraven]

PC 1.5 on a 120

EXACTLY!!! For the reasons you specified, you're probably better off going with Dynotechs map. Dyntotech is in your backyard...SLP is kind of in my back yard. Location, location, location. SLP rides and tests in the mountains. SLP's testing and products mirror my ridng areas and altitudes. IMO, if you ride the mountains, you should go with SLP. If you ride low altitudes, then by all means go with Dynotech.



Kraven is commenting on something he has no idea about. It is apples and oranges when trying to compare Dynotech's stock and SLP piped maps to SLP's maps. He commented how close they (Dyno's maps) were. But then he shoots down SLP's map without verification based on the difference in Dynotechs maps? He's basing his comments about how there's no way SLP's map can work based on Dynotechs maps? This is apples and oranges.

He's never stated that he has even seen or analyzed SLP's map and/or compared so how can he know for sure?

He's completely discounting MY real world testing without even knowing me or having been there with me when I did my testing. This is based on what? What were the A/F' s while you were testing?

If we really want to get crazy about this...How many maps does Dynotech have for all of the different muffler (can) options out there? I mean if we're going to get this sticky about stock pipe and SLP pipe, then what about all of the different can options? All cans are not the same!! What about the gearing, clutching, and track differences between all of the sleds out there? Because all of these things are going to affect the load on the engine.Excellent point, DYNOTECH Jim does have different maps for SLP and DYNOPAORT CANS

You forgot to mention different color sleds and how that affects H.P.

Probably the most important thing left out here is the nice thing about the PCV is we can CHANGE or ADJUST fueling in many areas of throttle position REGARDLESS of whose map you run. You are not STUCK with someones map. We can compensate for all of the different variables IE pipes, mufflers, gearing. The proper way to tune these sleds is to have EGT's and or A/F gauges and perform plug readings.

Just get the AUTO-TUNE option and the PC-5 and you're at the best it's going to be as a custom map for your sled with your conditions.

The SLP map (stock head) is plenty safe with the stock pipe and muffler. In fact, you'll be so happy with it, you'll want to purchase their pipe and can!

Dave,

I notice that you have a daughter there, Princess Isabella. I have a 6 1/2 year old Princess as well that rides a PINK 120 DRAGON (With a Dynotech Map and PC-1.5)

Perhaps on my next trip out to Yellowstone, we can meet up at Eino's and we can continue this discussion over lunch, (since the O/P'S and others' questions have been answered a while ago) as the Princesses race around on their 120's.