What Temps for the Pro With and without Gizmo?

[wyodoo]

First 200 miles mine was 145 Deg. to 180 Deg. Powder and trails with scratchers down. Snow was soft and fluffy.

Installed the Gizmo for the next 350 miles and temp were 158 Deg. to 180 Deg. powder and trail with scratchers down. Snow was heavier and should have been better cooling.

Met with the Polaris team at the demo tour at Bear Lodge Feb. 12th. and they told me those temps were to high. Should be running 125 to 145 Deg.

Have I got a problem? Timing??

The Gizmo seemed to stop the cold shots but it seems my temps are overall a little higher with it.

One ex Polaris dealer told me I could try putting in some water wetter, A product made by Redline which I have ordered but not got yet to try.

I just wanted to get some thoughts on this and see what everyone else was seeing with their Pro's

Thanks in advance for the input.

 

[R44guy]

First 200 miles mine was 145 Deg. to 180 Deg. Powder and trails with scratchers down. Snow was soft and fluffy.

Installed the Gizmo for the next 350 miles and temp were 158 Deg. to 180 Deg. powder and trail with scratchers down. Snow was heavier and should have been better cooling.

Met with the Polaris team at the demo tour at Bear Lodge Feb. 12th. and they told me those temps were to high. Should be running 125 to 145 Deg.

Have I got a problem? Timing??

The Gizmo seemed to stop the cold shots but it seems my temps are overall a little higher with it.

One ex Polaris dealer told me I could try putting in some water wetter, A product made by Redline which I have ordered but not got yet to try.

I just wanted to get some thoughts on this and see what everyone else was seeing with their Pro's

Thanks in advance for the input.

WyoDoo, Thanks for the feed back, I like the gizmo theory for the cold starts but I have been very concerned with the higher temps when it got warmer out and 160 to 180 degree's are going to kill our motors. I wonder why redneck racing did not dyno there device on the dyno at 160 to 180 degree's?

 

[wyodoo]

Also seems my sled is very soft on the the top end. There again if it is running too hot maybe it is messing with the timing or how the pipe works.
Pipes are made to run it a certain temp range if i'm not mistaken.

Thanks for your feedback.

 

[Tec]

First 200 miles mine was 145 Deg. to 180 Deg. Powder and trails with scratchers down. Snow was soft and fluffy.

Installed the Gizmo for the next 350 miles and temp were 158 Deg. to 180 Deg. powder and trail with scratchers down. Snow was heavier and should have been better cooling.

Met with the Polaris team at the demo tour at Bear Lodge Feb. 12th. and they told me those temps were to high. Should be running 125 to 145 Deg.

Have I got a problem? Timing??

The Gizmo seemed to stop the cold shots but it seems my temps are overall a little higher with it.

One ex Polaris dealer told me I could try putting in some water wetter, A product made by Redline which I have ordered but not got yet to try.

I just wanted to get some thoughts on this and see what everyone else was seeing with their Pro's

Thanks in advance for the input.

No way!

My sled runs 123-127 on hard pack with the scratches down, even on wind blown snow/dirt roads, Your sled must have Problems.

 

[R44guy]

No way!

My sled runs 123-127 on hard pack with the scratches down, even on wind blown snow/dirt roads, Your sled must have Problems.

Tec, Is your sled stock or do you also have a gizmo installed? If so and if you think wyopoo temps are higher then yours are? it may be that wyopoo has something else wrong like you mentioned like low coolant, air in his cooling system, or a bad stat in the gizmo, or maybe even a bad oem stat?

I have been very curious about how the gizmo is going to work as it warms up out side on warmer days since it is unclear what effect the gizmo is going to have on these sleds?

 

[Tec]

Tec, Is your sled stock or do you also have a gizmo installed? If so and if you think wyopoo temps are higher then yours are? it may be that wyopoo has something else wrong like you mentioned like low coolant, air in his cooling system, or a bad stat in the gizmo, or maybe even a bad oem stat?

I have been very curious about how the gizmo is going to work as it warms up out side on warmer days since it is unclear what effect the gizmo is going to have on these sleds?

2 Stock Pros, 1 Turbo'd assault, none have Gizmo's or run hotter then 130 degrees with the scratches down

 

[wyodoo]

No way!

My sled runs 123-127 on hard pack with the scratches down, even on wind blown snow/dirt roads, Your sled must have Problems.

Interesting. I have to wonder about Polaris warranty issues with the Gizmo installed. I would hate to void my 3 year drivetrain warranty.

 

[mike taylor]

I would agree with TEC on this,we have three pro's they run the same 125-135ish if I see over that, time to put the scratchers down.
might want to look into it.
I would bet you polaris will deny any claims on that sled!

 

[R44guy]

Interesting. I have to wonder about Polaris warranty issues with the Gizmo installed. I would hate to void my 3 year drivetrain warranty.

Wyodoo, first I would check your coolant level and if it is ok, revised the cooling system to make sure all of the air is out of the coolant, I heard the manufacturer of the gizmo had a few defective t-stats? If everything checks out I would call the gizmo folks and talk with them before calling the dealer, I understand they also own a Polaris dealership? If you need to bring it in for possible warranty work you may be better of removing the gizmo first unless you know your dealer well enough and know that this won't be a issue?

I know that something sounds off with your high temps so play it safe, Polaris will not want to warranty problems caused by a non oe product and may void your coverage if this is polaris related? Good luck and let us know what happens, we are all waiting to see how the gizmo works out in the long term!

 

[EricW]

Water Wetter in my 155 Pro since new. I have never seen 130 and 122-125 most of the time no matter what conditions. Have been happy with the product in the turbo sleds for a couple years now.

Whats a Gizmo? EW

 

[R44guy]

Water Wetter in my 155 Pro since new. I have never seen 130 and 122-125 most of the time no matter what conditions. Have been happy with the product in the turbo sleds for a couple years now.

Whats a Gizmo? EW

Eric W, Check out the link below, the gizmo is sort of a inline tunnel thermostat device where the theory is to help reduce cold shocks to the cooling system to help stop cold seizes. This device has been used on the pros and iqs.

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=248436

Have fun reading about the gizmo.

 

[wyodoo]

Water Wetter in my 155 Pro since new. I have never seen 130 and 122-125 most of the time no matter what conditions. Have been happy with the product in the turbo sleds for a couple years now.

Whats a Gizmo? EW

http://redneckracing.com/Enhancement_Kit.php


It is designed to eliminate the cold shot of water to a hot engine after a short break in riding. Watch your temps after you stop for a break. You will see restart temps of 80 Deg. or so hit that hot engine causing piston scuffing.

At least that's the theory. It does eliminate the cold shot and they are saying this increases motor life.

 

[wyodoo]

Eric W, Check out the link below, the gizmo is sort of a inline tunnel thermostat device where the theory is to help reduce cold shocks to the cooling system to help stop cold seizes. This device has been used on the pros and iqs.

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=248436

Have fun reading anout this.

Thanks for input on the Water wetter. I've got it on order.

 

[gman086]

Any sled running a t-stat (especially an external one like the Gizmo) IS going to run 10-15 deg HOTTER. Your readings make total sense. IMHO the Gizmo is not needed on these sleds and could actually be a problem because of raising the lower end running temps with such a small cooler like on the Pro. How many have had piston scuffing so far? None that I know of. Maybe the IQ's had a problem but not the Pro. Now if the Gizmo dropped the upper temps instead of raising the lower temps of the range (to tighten the operating temp fluctuation) then they'd have a product worth considering but that is NOT the case!

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[m8sandman]

we have several in our group, most run 130ish with good pow. once it sets up a totally different story, if its hardpacked, hadn't snowed here in over a month, even with scratchers down they will overheat. i'm not talking just one or 2, like i said we have several in our group and they will all get hot!!! even with the scratchers down, if you think yours won't you haven't rode one hard enough snow yet. all in our group have had to stop more than once when packed to cool. temps up to 200 all the time on hardpack. we usually shut them down about 185-190, right around 200 they will start to puke a little. even on half way packed trails the temps start to rise.

the gizmo isn't supposed to lower temps, just keep it from getting a blast of colder water when fired back up after being hot.

 

[Reg2view]

In pow, or scratchers down with good spray, 125-128. If it's just soft, cold, blow away fluff on a trail, even with scratchers down, I'll see 175+ before I dive off and find 50 yards of fresh, which rolls it back down to 130 within a minute.

Cold shot drops to 90-100 if the stop is 5-10 mins, back to 120 within 1 minute or less. Longer stop, it will cold shot to 80. No water wetter, tho I always have it on hand. Wanted to get a good baseline, first.

Gizmo-wise, Gman nails it - for all the non-gizmo CFI-2's, no chatter on scuff. Could be gizmo is only needed on the CFI-4, which it was designed for. The cooling capacity is different with the Pro, and the bizmo's at gizmo's never had a chance to test it on the Pro's, 'same motor, duh'. Well, not true. Lotsa differences. But, good luck having that rational conversation with bizmo. Bizmo has units on the shelf to turn. Lotsa miles on these now. Where's the scuff?

 

[Outlaw]

Temps

First 200 miles mine was 145 Deg. to 180 Deg. Powder and trails with scratchers down. Snow was soft and fluffy.

Installed the Gizmo for the next 350 miles and temp were 158 Deg. to 180 Deg. powder and trail with scratchers down. Snow was heavier and should have been better cooling.

Met with the Polaris team at the demo tour at Bear Lodge Feb. 12th. and they told me those temps were to high. Should be running 125 to 145 Deg.

Have I got a problem? Timing??

The Gizmo seemed to stop the cold shots but it seems my temps are overall a little higher with it.

One ex Polaris dealer told me I could try putting in some water wetter, A product made by Redline which I have ordered but not got yet to try.

I just wanted to get some thoughts on this and see what everyone else was seeing with their Pro's

Thanks in advance for the input.

Wyodoo
If you are running in the 180 when you are off in the powder then you have a problem. Just a few things to check. We have seen several OE stats that are only opening half way, also make sure that your antifreeze cap has a good seal if it is loose or leaking it can not pressure the system, Also like R44 said we have had a few stats that did not work in the Gizmo. If the cap and head stat checks out the pull the Gizmo and heat 20 ozs of water to 135 pour this thru the Gizmo if the stat is not full open after 20ozs then call me and we will send you a replacement. All of the other Pros are holding 140-145 not above unless you are on hardpack for a long ways with no scratchers down. Please check and let me know.
Thanks
T

 

[duc848]

I am still baffled as to why everyone thinks an engine in a snowmobile has to run below 130 degrees, then panic when they see over 140. It is an engine, there are explosions going on inside of the cylinders, it is going to get warm when running. If the light doesn't come on its fine.

The problem is that there is a temp gauge that everyone watches.....

 

[wyodoo]

Wyodoo
If you are running in the 180 when you are off in the powder then you have a problem. Just a few things to check. We have seen several OE stats that are only opening half way, also make sure that your antifreeze cap has a good seal if it is loose or leaking it can not pressure the system, Also like R44 said we have had a few stats that did not work in the Gizmo. If the cap and head stat checks out the pull the Gizmo and heat 20 ozs of water to 135 pour this thru the Gizmo if the stat is not full open after 20ozs then call me and we will send you a replacement. All of the other Pros are holding 140-145 not above unless you are on hardpack for a long ways with no scratchers down. Please check and let me know.
Thanks
T

Running 150 to 160 in powder. It only reaches 180 on trail with scratchers down. The shop that installed mine is going to check the motor stat this week like you said to see if it is the problem.

This sled was running high temps before Gizmo but was way wider range. 80 deg. to 185. So I have a feeling I have a bad stat in the motor.

Will keep posted. I still think the concept is sound.

 

[racerjb]

In spring like conditions with hard pack, I was seeing 195 with scratchers down on my pro while my friends 08 rmk was 120 in the same conditions. I definitely felt a power loss. I am putting on a better snow flap to see if that will make a difference. I am not running a gizmo.

Also I know Fastrax has been doing a lot of cooler upgrades by adding more capacity to the system with their mini u cooler. The Pro has considerably smaller coolers than the IQ's.

I am wondering if a 2nd set of scratchers or ski scratchers will be needed for the trail rides to the play areas during spring time plus a longer snow flap.

I can't believe in this day and age, I still have to stop and pack snow on my tunnel to cool it down!!!