What should I do?

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To fill in the background, my cousin mass emailed an Obama vs McCain deal out. No big deal, take it as you will, or so I figure. What follows is some guys response(he was kind enough to reply to all) and then my response to him and then his responce to me. My question is, what should I do...Let it go, respond nicely or mess with the guy. His name is Curt Novak, and he evidently thinks he's big time I'm hoping you guys can give me some ideas, or that my liberal leaning snowester Ruffy chimes in, or maybe the well spoken Wade. I'm guessing this guy will think I'm less of a citizen since I don't have anyone on speed dial, I do talk to interns and my activities to better the country are basic like raising kids who will be productive members of society.

Fine Brent, vote for McBush then pray Parker doesn't get shipped off to Iraq after high school.

Mine,
Curt, Thank you so much for your worthwhile and intriguing additions to Brent's email. It is not only a questionable administration, but attitudes and knee jerk reactions such as yours that do nothing to better our situation. Well I have your attention I would also like to point out that no matter how you feel about Bush, we have no one but ourselves to blame. We elect OUR president as well as OUR congress, whose job it is to work for US and keep each other in check. Have you taken the time to contact your Congressmen and Senators to tell them how you feel?

His,
Boxer, "Feindstien", Pelosi, Wexler, Kucinich, Dodd, Waxman, and probably a few more are on my cell phone speed dial. Moreover, several receive handsome political donations "if" they did the right thing. I've attend several demonstrations each year since '03. It aint like I'm some retiree that can afford to take off from work for days at a time to attend a rally, but I do anyway. What do I give up...... money from missing work and time with my family.

Their is no question about the administration. There are numerous illegal activities that have and continue to occur. One would simply need to review this weeks congressional record for a nice summary. Did Bush lie about a blow job? No, his lies resulted in 4000 american deaths and 80000 Iraqi deaths. I could go on for many pages.

Can Iraq be fixed? Nope. Can "we" utilize this failure in order to avoid similar failures such as possible war with Iran? Until we Americans say enough is enough, the status quo will continue.

Please enlighten me on what wonderful activites you have partaken in order to better our country? Call some congressional interns to take your message? Shoot out some sarcastic emails? Wow, times they are a changin. Good things are bound to happen now. You practice what you preach?

By the way, you dont understand what "knee jerk reaction" means. An example of a knee jerk reaction would have been to respond to your email with:

**** You!


Got your attention? Time to step out from behind your telephone and keyboard. Put the remote down, and take it to the street.

 

[Ollie]

The only thing that will change this guys mind comes with a trigger.
Don't bother.
Won't do anything but raise your blood pressure.

 

[Good to Go]

Ollie is right... he's so far into his little world he can't see anything else.

 

[ruffryder]

Whatever your response is, don't be personal about it, it just makes you look like a jerk, which is what the guy looks like.

Having connections and what not doesn't seem like a good defense for his arguments, which are mostly emotional.

If you want to keep the discussion going, focus on telling him your point of view rather than trying to convincing him, his is wrong. He sounds like his mind is closed anyways, and with the arguments he made already, pretty locked into his rhetoric.

Hope this help. Got to go ride!

 

[redlineguy]

Can I have his E-Mail so I can have some Fun with him



You wont change his mine so try to pizz him of for fun









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[Good to Go]

Whatever your response is, don't be personal about it, it just makes you look like a jerk, which is what the guy looks like.

Having connections and what not doesn't seem like a good defense for his arguments, which are mostly emotional.

If you want to keep the discussion going, focus on telling him your point of view rather than trying to convincing him, his is wrong. He sounds like his mind is closed anyways, and with the arguments he made already, pretty locked into his rhetoric.

Hope this help. Got to go ride!

What do you mean "not make if personal"... taking the high road takes all the fun out of it...

Hope I wasn't mis-understood...I agreed with Ollie, and wouldn't respond. Spending the energy on an impossible discussion is....well, impossible.

 

[Ollie]

The other option is to do a little research and hit him with facts.
Not bs or emotion. Just facts.
Libs hate it when you rub their noses in the fact they are wrong.

 

[SAWYER]

i say give it ti rlg

 

[Snoman69]

i say give it ti rlg

x2... Let a few peeps on here have some fun with him

 

[modsledr]

If you want to mess with him, remind him that it was HIS congress that voted FOR the war in Iraq, using the intelligence from HIS military.

 

[ruffryder]

The other option is to do a little research and hit him with facts.
Not bs or emotion. Just facts.
Libs hate it when you rub their noses in the fact they are wrong.

While conservatives just say "That is not the point"? lol

What do you mean "not make if personal"... taking the high road takes all the fun out of it...

I agreed with Ollie, and wouldn't respond. Spending the energy on an impossible discussion is....well, impossible.

I would call it practice on patience. Do like Ollie says and do some research and use him as someone to work different approaches of discussion on. The key will be keeping focus on a SINGLE TOPIC and discussing just that topic no matter what he responds with. Most of the time when people are just spouting out and not really thinking hard or discussing something, it is hard to keep them focused. Kind of like they are trying to vent to a sympathetic ear, with happens to be you at the moment. Also try and ask him good questions. Not questions that try and make him look stupid or that you and he both know the obvious answers to.

Or just delete it, crack open a beer and forget about it.

 

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well I figure tonight I will answer his questions and hit him with the idea of nice civil open dialouge like we have on snowest. Course if he goes ape chit again RLG can have at him.

The other guy I wrote to is still pissed about Gore losing Florida...

Good point, that HIS congress didn't stop Bush from going to Iraq.

 

[Dare-Ya]

Just because he has their numbers on speed dial, doesn't mean he's connected. Unless those are personal home numbers or cell phone numbers, anyone could have them in speed dial. Public information. Unless you feel up to a long debate with this guy, I'd let him know he's a waste of your time, and that you need to get back on the campaign trail for McCain. I can assure you, he will never see your way of thinking.

 

[Snow Fox]

Hunt him down and kick his a$$, Then ask him, "How do you like it now, B!TCH!".............. That or just ignore him, someone like him no matter what you say won't change his mind.

 

[Blisteringsnorider]

It's hard to kick an azzhole.................something will always seep out
Good luck on this one

 

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Here is my responce. We'll see what happens. I'd have been fine until he started trying to impress me with names and chit.

Curt,



Wow I didn't know I was gonna touch such a nerve.



Let me start by saying, obviously we are in different leagues as I have no Representatives on my cell speed dial...just friends and family. Also I am not one who gives "handsome" donations, if the "right" thing is done. In fact, it is my belief that the current system of using money to get access to law makers is not the best system. I guess at my young age of 24 I am still naive enough to expect my Reps to answer my emails or return my phone calls(yes I may have to go through an intern first) simply because they are my elected Representative, and not just because I gave them a donation. Do I attend rallies, no I do not. At this stage in my life I have all I can do to provide for my wife and two children and spend as much time with them as I can. Someday I maybe able to become more active in the rally arena, until then I read all I can and write letters, etc.



As for the Administration, I feel that it is safe to say that under all Presidents there are things that occur that we would prefer not too. Along those lines though, we elect a congress whose job it is to keep the Oval Office in check. It was our congress who didn't stop Bush from going to Iraq and who let the other activities happen and continue.



What have I done to better the U.S you ask? What I do is get up every day and go to work to support my family and those who count on the government to support them. I am raising two wonderful girls, that I hope one day will grow up to become productive, upstanding members of this fine nation. I attend local meetings on issues that I find important in my life and ones that I feel need to be kept a watchful eye on. Also I make damned sure to get out and exercise my right to vote in every election be it school board, city or national elections.



I also am a member of organizations that share my viewpoints and work to insure my continued freedoms to enjoy my pastime hobbies. Groups such as the Blue Ribbon Coalition, http://sharetrails.org/ and the Snowmobile Alliance of Western States, http://www.snowmobile-alliance.org/.



I do believe that I correctly used the term "knee jerk reaction" in reference to that fact that you felt the need to hit reply to all when sending your original email. In my opinion that was a comment best reserved for Brent and know body else. By the way, I just want you to know that I was highly impressed with the class you exuded with your example of knee jerkness.(Sarcasm intended).



Perhaps you could explain what you mean by stepping out, putting the remote down and taking it to the streets? Are you implying that I do not practice what I preach? That I am a lazy uneducated fool who has nothing better to do then watch television? Or did you mean that you would like to continue our dialog and civilly discuss further issues? If that is/was the case I would love to carry on conversations with you on various issues.



Robb

 

[ArcticBoy]

^^^^BRILLIANT!!^^^ I like taking the high road on many of these issues. You had more patience than I probably would of.

 

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Still no reply...guy hit me back on the first one within an hour...and I sent it at 1 in the morning!

 

[yammadog]

Hunt him down and kick his a$$, Then ask him, "How do you like it now, B!TCH!".............. That or just ignore him, someone like him no matter what you say won't change his mind.

LMAO!!! Like SF said....this guy and many like him can't be out witted, you'd have to get a brain removal to get on level playing fields.

But, great response, much smoother than I could have done, with a simple "bite ME idiot".....

 

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Here is his response. Not sure what to do, I'm at work so I have to reread it and think about it...BUT I think RLg and any others who want it may be getting his email. What since I don't have a grasp on issues. This freakin guy, does he not get that I am Joe Dirt and taking it in the book everyday?

Robb,
I wish not to offend you. Yes, you hit a nerve, but not near as deep a nerve as the one hit by our fellow Americans in general. So honestly, its not a big deal and its not something I haven't come across many many times already by unread individuals. At 24 there are a myriad of issues you have never been exposed. Please don't consider that an insult. I'm half again older than you and still learning every day. Keeps things interesting.

Would have replied sooner, but I just got back from a *****en' camping trip.

I did not imply anything with my statement, I was being extremely direct. Our elected officials will not take action until people take their complaint to the street... literally. Americans (perhaps not you?) are too dumb, fat and lethargic to get out and actually make change. So long as they can veg out watching cable and stuffing their faces, they wont do ****. One exception however has been the ongoing FISA debacle. Bush wants retro active immunity for AT&T having illegally spied on you and me. Without immunity, AT&T will link Bush to issuing this illegal action. Literally hundreds of thousands of citizens have been contacting Representatives and Congressmen to block AT&T immunity. It worked the first two times in January and February. Might not work again.

With the economic collapse hitting Joe Dirt's pocket book, people will start to wake up and take interest. However, by then its too late.... game over. I suppose when people can't afford to pay for Dish Network, they might actually take an interest in the world beyond their home theater.

Getting out and talking to people, attending rallies, protesting Bush, Iraq, Gas (whatever) is what truly instigates change. Sitting behind the comfort of your/my computer and shooting out emails (whether its to a stranger or a congressman) doesn't have near the effect of gathering with others and demonstrating in a public place. Don't get me wrong, the conversation between you and me is positive, just not effective. At best it might motivate you to research several issues. But n=1 at the end of the day. Sadly, you or I alone cant do ****.

Is watching television more important to you than letting Congress and the Pres know that invading Iraq is another mistake? Is watching television more important than researching the truth (or lies) regarding the Articles of impeachment for both Cheney and Bush? If it is than you've answered your own question.

So rather than complain to me about tagging onto Brent's then Russell's email by alluding to Bush's pre-occupation with invading Iran, perhaps you could find something better to do. Heck, I'd be fine with a response indicating we SHOULD invade Iran. At least it means you are considering the issue.

My email below was not an attempt to carry on further conversation with you. I don't think you have a grasp of the issues and I know I dont have the time to bring you up to speed. Check out Frontline: Bush's War next time you want to watch TV. Or better yet, read Bush"s Articles of Impeachment. Both can be found on the "internets"

Regards,
Curt