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***what is your opinion? who was at fault? i need some help!!!***

Even if he was a newbie it is common sense not to pass on the right and that you have limited visibility with a helmet on.

If he doesn’t pay up just beat his azz, if you need help I’ll make a quick trip to choteau.

sad thing is...he has been sledding longer than me!
 
Agreed. But, To me, it is not worth the time and trouble and heartburn to keep fighting over it. I would man up, fix my sled out of my pocket and learn from it. Then let karma take care of the x freind and you will have more respect from those in your riding group in the long run. Good luck if you do the court route.

i would but i do not have the money too. i dont wanna let the bastard off the hook either.
 
Not to be a jackazz.....but is there actually a written law on where to pass on a sled trail:confused::confused:

Never heard of one, hence the reason I ask. I know there is an unwritten law of sledding amongst us but...................

Sorry for the probs Cajun, hope things work out without you forkin out more $$ in court and legal costs than actual repairs will be;)

I actually asked a ranger that very question.
He stated to me that when ON THE TRAIL, the rules are the exact same as when you drive a car on the road, they can ticket you for the exact same things when sledding on the trail as when driving your car on the road.

theultrarider:
How is he supposed to "learn from it"?
Really, what is the lesson?
If anything sometimes you need to take a stand on principles.
The guy was in the wrong, HE needs to man up and pay the price for his mistake. Bottom line, if he had simply accepted the fact he messed up and taken care of the problem he created, there would be no problem and he would have more respect from everyone and would be invited back to ride with the group again.

Sometimes "things" just happen.
If you are the one the caused the "thing" to happen. Man up and take care of it.
 
Agreed. But, To me, it is not worth the time and trouble and heartburn to keep fighting over it. I would man up, fix my sled out of my pocket and learn from it. Then let karma take care of the x freind and you will have more respect from those in your riding group in the long run. Good luck if you do the court route.

I understand what you are saying here but I am tired of people not taking responsibility for there actions. That right there is what is the biggest problem with our country. Remember a deal on a handshake? This sounds like a black and white issue, no gray area. The rider that hit cajun is trying bring the grey area into this so by asking to meet with a mediator so that he either doesn't have to pay or pay 1/2. Man up and take responsibility for what you did.
 
I would say your 'friend' was in the wrong. The "rules" for the ride were established earlier in the day by the actions of your group and this guy should have expected you to veer over onto the bank at anytime.
It seems odd that you actually got him to sign a paper saying he was at fault. Friends don't have to do that sort of thing so I get the idea this was a casual acquaintance who happened to go riding with you.
The procedure for us when we ride is that if someone wants to bounce off the sides of the trail etc. then he/she rides in the back of the group. Then they can cut back and forth across the trail if they want without cutting in front of anyone. The leader pretty much just stays on the trail.
 
Not to be a jackazz.....but is there actually a written law on where to pass on a sled trail:confused::confused:

Never heard of one, hence the reason I ask. I know there is an unwritten law of sledding amongst us but...................

I don't know about other jurisdictions but in B.C. on any Forest Service Road the Motor Vehicle Act apply's to sleds as well, with a few minor exceptions...and most of our trails are on Forest Service Roads. It would be a no-brainer here. Passing on the right from behind and hit someone....your at fault.
 
Ragin, sorry to hear about your problem with the wrecked sled. This guy sounds like a real piece of cr@pp. Some of my ridding buddies will show up every now and then with a hot rod like this guy. We try to let them ride in front just for that reason there out of control idiots. They usually don't come back again because we try real hard to make there ride misserable.
 
Agreed. But, To me, it is not worth the time and trouble and heartburn to keep fighting over it. I would man up, fix my sled out of my pocket and learn from it. Then let karma take care of the x freind and you will have more respect from those in your riding group in the long run. Good luck if you do the court route.

ask your self this question, is a re-buildable sled really worth this much trouble? Is it worth more than your so called "friendship"? If you are taking your friend to court over an accident, who really is the bad guy? would you really take a friend to court over a sled? Nowadays sleds practically grow on trees, you can just buy a damn new but friends are there forever, for a lifetime, if you treat them right. I can understand why you are mad, but put yourself in his shoes. He had to borrow a sled to go out in the country with your riding group. hell, he might not even be financially stable, just take payments from him and work it out like a man. like the guy said man up and get over it.
 
ask your self this question, is a re-buildable sled really worth this much trouble? Is it worth more than your so called "friendship"? If you are taking your friend to court over an accident, who really is the bad guy? would you really take a friend to court over a sled? Nowadays sleds practically grow on trees, you can just buy a damn new but friends are there forever, for a lifetime, if you treat them right. I can understand why you are mad, but put yourself in his shoes. He had to borrow a sled to go out in the country with your riding group. hell, he might not even be financially stable, just take payments from him and work it out like a man. like the guy said man up and get over it.

There is a lot of problems with the above statement. The "bad guy" is the one that passed on the wrong side and hit a "friend" and even admitted to fault and now backs out. I wouldn't consider this type of person a friend. They wouldn't be anything but a piece of crap. I don't need friends like this guy. Friends help each other not screw each other out of money.

"Sleds practically grow on trees"--Sorry, but this is a stupid statement. Maybe you have unlimited funds, but by the sounds of this guy he doesn't have a money tree in his backyard.

As for accepting payments, this isn't the problem. It sounds like the guy is trying to get out of paying anything. That's where a court ruling comes into play. He WILL pay if found at fault.

Sorry, for the vent. I am just getting tired of people trying to get out of things on technicalitites (sp). If you screwed up, face it and straighten out the problem to your best abilities.
 
I agree with everyone that says to pursue in court. A few years back me and my friend invited a co-worker to go ride our Yamaha Raptors in the gravel pit by where we lived, well he borrowed my friends Raptor, went to climb to the top in 3rd gear and didn't make it. The wheeler came tumbling down the gravel pit and cost my friend over $3000 by the time the bill was all said and done, the guy never paid a cent he wrecked it and that was the last we seen of him. :mad: But on the brighter side we wasn't wearing a helmet and hit his head so I guess they are even:D
 
I would say your 'friend' was in the wrong. The "rules" for the ride were established earlier in the day by the actions of your group and this guy should have expected you to veer over onto the bank at anytime.
It seems odd that you actually got him to sign a paper saying he was at fault. Friends don't have to do that sort of thing so I get the idea this was a casual acquaintance who happened to go riding with you.
The procedure for us when we ride is that if someone wants to bounce off the sides of the trail etc. then he/she rides in the back of the group. Then they can cut back and forth across the trail if they want without cutting in front of anyone. The leader pretty much just stays on the trail.

1. i got him to sign the paper to cover my *** just in case he backed out and guess what...he is...best thing i ever did.
2.i got to school with the kid. he lost many friends over this.
3. everyone rides on the bank at some time or another and i was not leading.
 
ask your self this question, is a re-buildable sled really worth this much trouble? Is it worth more than your so called "friendship"? If you are taking your friend to court over an accident, who really is the bad guy? would you really take a friend to court over a sled? Nowadays sleds practically grow on trees, you can just buy a damn new but friends are there forever, for a lifetime, if you treat them right. I can understand why you are mad, but put yourself in his shoes. He had to borrow a sled to go out in the country with your riding group. hell, he might not even be financially stable, just take payments from him and work it out like a man. like the guy said man up and get over it.

1. yes it is, it is my baby/ pride and joy. i worked 3 years to buy it and when someone wrecks it...i expect them to pay for it when they say they will!
2. yes i will take him to court. he is the one who threw the friendship out the window!
3. sleds nor money grow on trees for me! im in my first year in college and i work all summer so i can play in the winter.
4. he was riding a little too agressive for being on a borrowed sled. he has a sled but couldnt bring it.
5. if he wants to make arrangements for payments i have no problem with it but it is when he is backing out and not owning up to his responsibilities is when i say screw it and go to court. he has had over a month and a half to pay and he has made no effort to make payment or arrange something with me.
 
If your so called friend doesn't pay up I would get a second job to help pay for your sled if it is that valuable to you. Then I would find an insurance agent that will insure your sled because and (I'm not trying to be a d**k) but if you would have had your sled insured in the first place I bet your buddy would have ponied up for the deductible and you'd still be friends. Your sled would also be fixed and you all would be good. Hope it works out for you.
 
If your so called friend doesn't pay up I would get a second job to help pay for your sled if it is that valuable to you. Then I would find an insurance agent that will insure your sled because and (I'm not trying to be a d**k) but if you would have had your sled insured in the first place I bet your buddy would have ponied up for the deductible and you'd still be friends. Your sled would also be fixed and you all would be good. Hope it works out for you.

i know i know. i learned a BIG lesson about having insurance. its not required by law here and i havnt been able ot afford insurance becasue of my age. next year it WILL have full coverage on it. but either way..he accepted responsbility for it he should pay up.
 
Bad deal all the way around. The court route is a rocky path at best, even if you win and you get a judgment against him all it means is he officially owe you. You still have to collect on it, good luck.
Best bet, work it out with him for as much $ as you can. Even half from him is still better than court. Get what you can then loose him. A one sided friendship is not a friendship.
 
There is one golden rule to always help you out in life when you find yourself in a
predicament such as this, and need a guiding light to show you the way.


"Never kick a soft turd on a warm day"
 
The only other thing that could help in a sticky situation like this would be to
have a 3 way with his mom & sister, and just keep telling him about all of the details.
 
If the court finds him guilty they will put a judgement on him, but that dont mean much it will go on his credit report. But if he dont care about that it dont mater if he pays it or not
 
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