does anyone know of a good side by side comparison of klim products? their web site doesnt seem to point out the differences very well. they all say they have zippers, they have storage, they have reflectors, blah blah blah. what are the main differences in them?
what are the main differences in Klim's line of bibs/coats
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If you read through their descriptions close they do tell differences but it's a lot of reading and it's all jumbled together. One of the main differences right off the bat on a lot of them is the amount of Gortex layer. Other differences include insulation, more or less venting and so on.
What are you comparing????
What are you comparing????
Also, some have built in pads and others have heavier fabric in high wear areas.
I just bought some Klim gear...
What do you want to know about which models of jackets...
Glad to help if I can.
What do you want to know about which models of jackets...
Glad to help if I can.
well, i want something that i dont have to wear 5 layers underneath. i know everyone says layers are good.....but i dont want to deal with more than a couple.
i was looking at some cat jackets at the local ac dealer, and i like the ones you can take the inside of the jacket out for warmer climates. im not sure if klim makes something like that or not, but it seemed like a nice option.
i want something that breathes well and isnt tooooo warm. i sweat really easily. moderate riding gets me warmed up pretty fast. hard riding i almost always sweat.
i was mainly looking at the Valdez Parka because i found a fat guy size left over from 2010 on a good sale. im not sure what was changed from then until now.....but it seems like a good deal.
im open to options. i was just out to many of the local dealers earlier this week and tried numberous brands on. i really liked the way cat bibs fit and klim jackets. i didnt try and klim bibs because they didnt have my size in any style. but id also like some info on them because if i get a klim jacket, matching bibs would be nice.....
i was looking at some cat jackets at the local ac dealer, and i like the ones you can take the inside of the jacket out for warmer climates. im not sure if klim makes something like that or not, but it seemed like a nice option.
i want something that breathes well and isnt tooooo warm. i sweat really easily. moderate riding gets me warmed up pretty fast. hard riding i almost always sweat.
i was mainly looking at the Valdez Parka because i found a fat guy size left over from 2010 on a good sale. im not sure what was changed from then until now.....but it seems like a good deal.
im open to options. i was just out to many of the local dealers earlier this week and tried numberous brands on. i really liked the way cat bibs fit and klim jackets. i didnt try and klim bibs because they didnt have my size in any style. but id also like some info on them because if i get a klim jacket, matching bibs would be nice.....
I've had the Valdez jacket for 2 years now.... Very nice... SUPER breathable and water proof... Truly a top notch jacket in a league of its own... It is a shell, you will need some kind of insulation.. like a light weight polar fleece under it on the cold days... Just a shirt on not so cold days.
If you want some insulation in a comparable coat..The Vector is your ticket... with lots of ventillation and Pit zips too.
If you want some insulation in a comparable coat..The Vector is your ticket... with lots of ventillation and Pit zips too.
i appriciate the response. i my mind, it would seem logical to get something that has more insulation than just a shell because then i can wear this expensive jacket for more than just riding. i want something i can throw on to go shovel snow of the deck, run the snow blower down the driveway, etc... and not worry about having 2 layers under it.
this comes back to what i said above about having the two peice jacket that the inside, insulation can zip out. then i have a warm coat as well as a shell...
this comes back to what i said above about having the two peice jacket that the inside, insulation can zip out. then i have a warm coat as well as a shell...
im ordering the klimate coat and bibs...if for no other reason than they have an insulation layer....
my version of under layers is a pair of wranglers and a sweater...LOL
my version of under layers is a pair of wranglers and a sweater...LOL
Personally, I would go with the shell style, and then just layer accordingly. Basically more layers or a heavier layer when you need it and less when you don't need it. There’s a lot of good stuff out there now for fleeces and base layers to keep you comfortable and dry. Way more versatile and it will allow you to use the jacket and bibs for a wider variety of conditions.
Just a shell style but their top of the line with 3 layer goretex and all kinds of extras.
im about the same way. its all i have ever known. im used to throwing on my heavy insulated carhart bibs and jacket.
The funny thing is that the klimate (which is insulated) is a fair amount cheaper msrp than the uninsulated stuff. One would think that it would cost more to manufacture the insulated stuff, yet it's cheaper to buy. Maybe I'm wrong.
Then, if you buy the uninsulated jacket/bibs, they get you for another couple hundred in mid-layers that you'll need to equal what the klimate has. It all seems backwards to me. Is this just a great marketing scheme to get us to pay more for less? Well it worked on me because I just bought the Tomahawk jacket/extreme bibs which are uninsulated.
For those of you looking for the Klimate stuff, yamaha has some klim gear with a yamaha logo on it for a lower msrp than standard klim. Other than that, it's the same gear. I noticed there's an older version and a newer version of the klimate listed on their website. Get the part number with the "12" in it. There are some on-line yamaha dealers that will discound 20% then give free shipping. If you want klimate, this is a very good price.
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/apparel/apscitemdetail/1/14/14/all/10676/detail.aspx
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/apparel/apscitemdetail/1/14/14/all/10673/detail.aspx
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Good questions for sure.
The Klimate is a 2-layer GoreTex...
The Valdez and some of the other more expensive jackets are 3-layer XCR Goretex... there is a difference in performance and a big diff in price.. weather it it Klim or other technical gear makers (Arcteryx, Northface etc)
Also... I would not recommend that you use your technical riding gear for day to day.. keep it as clean as possible... dirty Goretex does not keep you dry... That is why you should wash them from time to time..Besides.. do you really want to risk tearing/burning/wearing-through your $350+ sled gear??
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The Klimate is a 2-layer GoreTex...
The Valdez and some of the other more expensive jackets are 3-layer XCR Goretex... there is a difference in performance and a big diff in price.. weather it it Klim or other technical gear makers (Arcteryx, Northface etc)
Also... I would not recommend that you use your technical riding gear for day to day.. keep it as clean as possible... dirty Goretex does not keep you dry... That is why you should wash them from time to time..Besides.. do you really want to risk tearing/burning/wearing-through your $350+ sled gear??
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The funny thing is that the klimate (which is insulated) is a fair amount cheaper msrp than the uninsulated stuff. One would think that it would cost more to manufacture the insulated stuff, yet it's cheaper to buy. Maybe I'm wrong.
Then, if you buy the uninsulated jacket/bibs, they get you for another couple hundred in mid-layers that you'll need to equal what the klimate has. It all seems backwards to me. Is this just a great marketing scheme to get us to pay more for less? Well it worked on me because I just bought the Tomahawk jacket/extreme bibs which are uninsulated.
i was trying to think of a way to say what you just did, but you spit it out first. its exactly what i was thinking. my bibs will be insulated no matter what. and id like to find a jacket that has the zip-out liner inside of a shell....just cant find one that tickles my fancy yet... any suggestions there?
compare the Keweenaw to the vector and klimate
vector and klimate are insulated. both say 200 gram Thinsulate™ insulation throughout
keweenaw is also insulated, but it says Klim exclusive Thinsulate™ Zonal Insulating Technology --- the Keweenaw Parka integrates several types of highly technical Thinsulate™ Insulations, strategically comfort mapped to provide extra warmth where needed.
so which has more insulation and is warmer? the vector and klimate seem to be insulated the same. the keweenaw is more expensive and has zonal insulation. what zones and how much? how can one make a comparison????
vector and klimate are insulated. both say 200 gram Thinsulate™ insulation throughout
keweenaw is also insulated, but it says Klim exclusive Thinsulate™ Zonal Insulating Technology --- the Keweenaw Parka integrates several types of highly technical Thinsulate™ Insulations, strategically comfort mapped to provide extra warmth where needed.
so which has more insulation and is warmer? the vector and klimate seem to be insulated the same. the keweenaw is more expensive and has zonal insulation. what zones and how much? how can one make a comparison????
Some good Vids to watch.
More info than you can handle... LOL
Great to see a company put in the time on this kind of thing.
More info than you can handle... LOL
Great to see a company put in the time on this kind of thing.
never thought of youtube. those vids dont show much more than klims website says.
but i did find some more on youtube. this is the only one i have watched so far, but it is very helpful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InB_5Mcv1qk
but i did find some more on youtube. this is the only one i have watched so far, but it is very helpful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InB_5Mcv1qk
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I am also a person who doesn't really care to layer up even though it is technically a better way to do it. I am on my 5th year now with my Klimate coat - insulated and warm, and Togwotee bibs - non-insulated, but I still stay plenty warm 95% of the time. I have not actually tried on the Keweenaw or the Valdez, but I will say that I have been extremely impressed with my Klimate coat. I'm pretty active when I ride so most of the time my bottom half doesn't get very cold, even though it's just a shell it works really good for me... as long as I have a good coat on I'm set.
Mountainhorse posted some good vids for you to watch on how the different styles work just a little differently.
Mountainhorse posted some good vids for you to watch on how the different styles work just a little differently.
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