we just lost 2 million acres

[PooSlinger]

I sure miss the days when only landowners could vote. Let those who own the country let it be decided how it should be run. That's what the founding fathers REALLY intended.

I live and work in fairly big cities (Milwaukee, Chicago, Minneapolis) and these idiots love Obama and the current congress. Our freedoms are dying to the sound of thunderous applause from the uneducated, ignorant, and uninformed.

 

[Belle Star]

One of my girls was in Washington and asked about land use rules and Herb Kohl Wi senator wrote "Land use decisions of this nature are made by state and local gov.Since this is not a federal issue,as a U.S. Senator I have no authority over this matter."If he has no authority what the hell is he voting on?
Cave

More MUMBO JUMBO from the senate, maybe he thought he was just responding to roll call!!!! NOT

 

[Belle Star]

Just joined saws. Cle elum thanks for the *** chewing. If i have the time to ***** i guess i have the time to be involved.

That is awesome that you joined

 

[Dogmeat]

I sure miss the days when only landowners could vote. Let those who own the country let it be decided how it should be run. That's what the founding fathers REALLY intended.

I live and work in fairly big cities (Milwaukee, Chicago, Minneapolis) and these idiots love Obama and the current congress. Our freedoms are dying to the sound of thunderous applause from the uneducated, ignorant, and uninformed.

IMO, if you didn't pay any income taxes the previous year, or on government assistance (IE, food stamps, etc) you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

[tundramonkey]

IMO, if you didn't pay any income taxes the previous year, or on government assistance (IE, food stamps, etc) you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

I agree! All the idiots on the hill that can't pay their own taxes should be kicked out of office.

 

[samuel2son]

This country is destined for collapse.
The greed you are seeing now with bonuses, bailouts, etc.
It reminds me of the titanic sinking with the rich jumping into their lifeboats while the poor go down with the ship.
Learn to swim or better yet,, get off the ship now b4 she go's down!

 

[mmaxcarver]

By State..

ALASKA

> Authorize a land swap to give the state of Alaska a seven-mile easement through the Izembek National Wildlife Refuge. The easement allows the state to complete a 25-mile gravel road from King Cove to Cold Bay, where there is an all-weather airport. In exchange, the state and other landowners would transfer more than 61,000 acres to the federal government, including about 43,000 acres to be designated as wilderness.

CALIFORNIA

> Preserve nearly 450,000 acres of wilderness and 73 miles of wild and scenic rivers near Santa Clarita and along the California Nevada border, including the White Mountains.

> Protect 190,000 acres in Riverside County as wilderness, including parts of Joshua Tree National Park.

> Protect about 70,000 acres of wilderness, including the new John Krebs Wilderness, named for the former congressman and conservationist who fought to protect these lands in the Mineral King Valley.

COLORADO

> Protect nearly 250,000 acres of Colorado’s Rocky Mountain National Park.

> Protect 66,000 acres of red rock sandstone canyons, cliffs, streams and waterfalls in western Colorado.

IDAHO

> Protect as wilderness 517,000 acres in Idaho’s Owyhee Canyonlands.

MICHIGAN

> Protect 11,739 acres of wilderness at Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore.

NEW MEXICO

> Protect more than 15,000 acres in San Miguel County as wilderness.

OREGON

> Protect 13,700 acres of old-growth forest in Oregon’s Siskiyou National Forest.

> Protect more than 128,000 acres of national forest on Mount Hood.

> Protect 23,000 acres in the Soda Mountain region in the southwest.

> Protect nearly 31,000 acres of wilderness in the Badlands just east of Bend.

> Protect 8,600 acres of wilderness overlooking the John Day Wild and Scenic River.

UTAH

> Protect more than 250,000 acres of wilderness in and near Zion National Park.

VIRGINIA

> Protect 43,000 acres of the Jefferson National Forest as wilderness, and 12,000 as a national scenic area.

WEST VIRGINIA

> Protect 37,000 acres in the Monongahela National Forest.

 

[blue fluff]

Dave,
I want to thank you for all the volunteer time you put in. One of the stories I grew up on was "The Little Red Hen" about the hen who goes thru the process of making and baking bread, all the while asking for help from the other farm animals, but no one wants to help. But when she asks who wants to help her eat the bread, they all of course want to eat it. That story has impacted me as I see all the volunteer work done by people like you and the people in our local club and I feel like I enjoy the benefits, but don't put a lot of time in.

I don't want to be that way and I had been feeling guilty that in our local club there are a few guys/gals who do most of the heavy lifting. I want badly to help, but we have work and elderly family commitments on weekends, which are the days they have work parties. I took ONE day off work w/o pay with my husband to help cut trees out of the trails for the groomer after a big storm, but that was ONE day and the same people are out there consistently all season.

So the only way I feel that I can DO something is to donate a membership fee to several groups and add numbers to help with lobbying.

I'm so grateful for the work volunteers do that benefit us. I know that I'll get emails from ISSA, SAWS and BRC to alert us to action that needs to be taken. Someone does the work for me and if it wasn't for guys like you a lot wouldn't get done and a lot of us would be oblivious. (and SAWS is FREE because you guys volunteer!)

I noticed that being a member of the club and knowing the hard work others from our club have done really changes my attitude and makes me want to protect what we have. I'm more prone to want to tell people when they're sledding in areas posted "no snowmobiles beyond this point" because I know Plum Creek will take our riding privileges away if their newly planted trees get topped by our sleds. People from our club clean up the warming hut after it's been trashed (which makes me want to do my part when I see trash), fix items that have been vandalized, cut the firewood for the warming hut, put the signs up so we know where we are, take them down again end of season, cut the trees out of the trails, organize multiple family events and rides, faithfully attend meetings and take minutes, discuss club issues, put on fund raisers and safety/avy courses, and on and on.

So please know that we do appreciate you.

ModJunkie, I have tremendous respect for you that you had the character to say what you said. Thank you for joining.

BTW, on the political front, I joined the NRA on Friday and I don't even shoot

 

[modjunkie]

This country is destined for collapse.
The greed you are seeing now with bonuses, bailouts, etc.
It reminds me of the titanic sinking with the rich jumping into their lifeboats while the poor go down with the ship.
Learn to swim or better yet,, get off the ship now b4 she go's down!

That's a big 10-4! I've been working on my backstroke.

 

[blue fluff]

Please help with news poll on omnibus lands bill!

Please vote by going to the link in the Idaho Statesman and find the poll on the bottom half of the page that asks "Was signing the monumental public lands bill that carves out half a million acres of wilderness in Idaho and 2 million acres nationwide a good idea?" Right now it's in the Greenies favor at 62%.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/

 

[hard2handle]

land useage

So what i want to know i live in CO.Will they be directly taking "RIDING AREAS"away from us?And if so where,when,how?Don't know a whole lot about what's going on i've been trying to catch up on here,this sucks.250,000 acres is ALOT,will this be in certain riding areas? Buff,Rabbit ears,Vail?

 

[carld123]

United we Stand-Divided we fall !

Nows the time unite and gain some momentum. One of the best way to have a voice, is of course writing your congressman. I can give you the name of two very well known groups that do play well with the big shots. Washington State Snowmobile Association "WSSA" and Yakima Ski Benders. If your are interested in more information please feel free to PM me.
United we Stand - Divided we fall.....................

 

[Slednoggin23]

So was it ever officially decided if the Wyoming acreage was OFFICIALLY designated Wilderness, or was it just a ban on oil and gas development?

We had another thread about it on here and in that thread somone told me it was NOT actually designated wilderness (IE we can still ride there), but there was a morotorium on oil and gas development.

The ban on oil and gas drilling and the omibus bill are two different things. The Wyoming Range is still slated to be designated wilderness. As of right now it is not. But there are other bills still to come to make it and the salt river range wilderness as well as about every other place to ride in Wyoming.

Here is the map someone asked for showing the land we stand to lose.

http://www.wildrockies.org/nrepa/assets/pix/brochure/mapbig.jpg

 

[blue fluff]

So what i want to know i live in CO.Will they be directly taking "RIDING AREAS"away from us?And if so where,when,how?Don't know a whole lot about what's going on i've been trying to catch up on here,this sucks.250,000 acres is ALOT,will this be in certain riding areas? Buff,Rabbit ears,Vail?

These are the Colorado areas affected (From HR 146 and S 22, Public Law No: 111-11, in www.thomas.gov). Anything with the term "wilderness" in it means absolutely no wheeled or mechanized use, not even wheelchairs or walkers:

Subtitle N: Rock Mountain National Park Wilderness, Colorado - (Sec. 1952) Designates certain lands in Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado, as wilderness (the Wilderness) and as a component of the National Wilderness Preservation System. Provides for the inclusion of specified potential wilderness land in the Wilderness. Excludes specified land from such Wilderness.

Sets forth provisions: (1) for the administration of any land designated as wilderness under this section or added to the Wilderness after enactment of this Act; and (2) regarding water rights and fire, insect, and disease control.

(Sec. 1953) Sets forth provisions: (1) governing continued operations at the Grand River Ditch; and (2) concerning the Alva B. Adams Tunnel and other Colorado-Big Thompson Project facilities.

(Sec. 1954) Directs the Secretary of the Interior to establish an alignment line and identify the boundaries for the East Shore Trail within the East Shore Trail Area. Authorizes necessary adjustments in such boundaries to protect resources, if the adjustment would not place any portion of the Trail in such Wilderness. Includes any portion of the Area that is not traversed by the Trail, that is not west of the Trail, and that is not within 50 feet of the centerline of the Trail in such Wilderness.

Prohibits any use of motorized vehicles and other motorized machinery in the Area that was not permitted on March 1, 2006. Requires the Area, until the Secretary authorizes the construction of the Trail and the use of it for non-motorized bicycles, to be managed to: (1) protect any wilderness characteristics; and (2) maintain the suitability of the Area for inclusion in the Wilderness.

(Sec. 1955) Amends the Indian Peaks Wilderness Area, the Arapaho National Recreation Area and the Oregon Islands Wilderness Area Act to adjust the boundaries of: (1) the Indian Peaks Wilderness Area; and (2) the Arapaho National Recreation Area.

(Sec. 1956) Applies provisions governing leases of National Park System buildings and property to property known as the Leiffer tract near the Park's eastern boundary in Larimer County, Colorado.

 

[Dogmeat]

Here is the map someone asked for showing the land we stand to lose.

http://www.wildrockies.org/nrepa/assets/pix/brochure/mapbig.jpg

Disgusting ... *sigh*

 

[snojunkee]

we must unite, or die trying

Here is the map someone asked for showing the land we stand to lose.

http://www.wildrockies.org/nrepa/assets/pix/brochure/mapbig.jpg[/QUOTE]

this is just plain wrong

 

[ADRENALINE]

Please vote by going to the link in the Idaho Statesman and find the poll on the bottom half of the page that asks "Was signing the monumental public lands bill that carves out half a million acres of wilderness in Idaho and 2 million acres nationwide a good idea?" Right now it's in the Greenies favor at 62%.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/

Tied.....48% to 48%.