This quote is the one I was looking for stats on Winterbrew. I would be curious what a survey statewide would reveal. Not on Snowest. We (on WA Snowest Forum) are predominantly upper middle class westsiders.
Wasington Sledders Legislature Reaching for Your Wallet
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This quote is the one I was looking for stats on Winterbrew. I would be curious what a survey statewide would reveal. Not on Snowest. We (on WA Snowest Forum) are predominantly upper middle class westsiders.
I have said many times that I understand the need for an increase in fees and I will pay it because I can afford it and its not worth getting a ticket.
And YES. I think we can make it on our own. I rode for years and know of people that rode for years before me with out Snowparks and plowed parking with honeybuckets. It can be done. I dont need all this crap. Is it a viable solution at this time probably not. I DON'T support that whole idea of paying to access public land but I do it because we don't have a majority to stand up and fight.
As i have said previously, Its not fair that someone licensing a sled that doesn't purchase a Snowpark pass is going to pay an extra $20 for NOTHING. Oh wait, he will pay the extra fee so that others can utilize Snowparks and groomed trails. Screw him because my family doesn't like riding whoops...is essentially what is happening.
You all think this will make everything good and all will be happy for another ten years?
Just keep shelling out your cash and keep you eyes closed.
Dreamers.
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So then we don't have to buy tabs because we will be poaching (public land)! Now that sounds like fun! I smell a revolt!
A survey was done last year by State Parks with a post card going out to all the registered snowmobiles in Washington asking them to go to a website to complete a survey and Winterbrew is probably talking about the results from that survey which showed what the snowmobilers wanted. You should be able to read about the results in one of your last season's WSSA Snoflyer.
It is that kind of information that WSSA has to use to initiate the registration fee increase. Trying to keep everything factual when presenting to legislators. The system was set up years ago so it wouldn't be too easy to increase registration fees. It has to have support of snowmobilers, it has to be presented to the legislators, it has to be approved by legislators who hear from their constituents. It is a good checks and balance system to keep the registration fees reasonable.
The last fee increase was in 2001 and then gas was $1.52 a gallon and diesel was under $0.90 for off road diesel for groomers. Look how it has changed. Gas has over doubled and diesel has over tripled while the fee has remained the same. Nobody can seriously say that the state hasn't done everything to keep the costs down.
As Jetjohnson always says the money is going to our grooming and plowing program not to the state general fund or WSSA would not be working with the legislators to get it done.
I am willing to pay
I recently got back into the sport and have been amazed at the number of resources we have. The fact that we are still doing it with the same funding model established 10+ years ago is amazing.
I also have a ton of respect ad appreciation for the people that volunteer tons of time to keep the trails open and programs going. I personally think we get a ton of value from a relatively small fee. I just want to ride my sled and have fun with friends and family.
The many SnoParks give me a predictable, efficient, and more secure launch and return point. The time I save ='s more quality time on my sled.
The hundreds or maybe thousands of miles of groomed trails get me to the good snow faster and they get me back to the truck faster and safer. This ='s more quality time on my sled in the better snow.
I think anyone who wants to ride whoops all season to save $20 has lost perspective. I try not to let my distaste for the state legislator and politicians taint the value of what we are getting.
I recently got back into the sport and have been amazed at the number of resources we have. The fact that we are still doing it with the same funding model established 10+ years ago is amazing.
I also have a ton of respect ad appreciation for the people that volunteer tons of time to keep the trails open and programs going. I personally think we get a ton of value from a relatively small fee. I just want to ride my sled and have fun with friends and family.
The many SnoParks give me a predictable, efficient, and more secure launch and return point. The time I save ='s more quality time on my sled.
The hundreds or maybe thousands of miles of groomed trails get me to the good snow faster and they get me back to the truck faster and safer. This ='s more quality time on my sled in the better snow.
I think anyone who wants to ride whoops all season to save $20 has lost perspective. I try not to let my distaste for the state legislator and politicians taint the value of what we are getting.
if you are educated about the cituation you will know there is not enough money, we have a great person on our side who deals with this and knows what is going on, that is Dan Johnson, I have had several conversations with him about this. How far do you think $30 gets a groomer? maybe a mile. 2 at the most. Go to the groomers meetings and talk to the forest service that is there. they are not against us. But most who complain about it just sit here and do that. common sense says you need more money for grooming and plowing. we have a lot of snow parks in WA. if we don't get the money they will be going away
If a person doesnt use Snowparks, what "value" will the person see with a registration fee increase of $20?
WaBackcountry ill pay the extra $20 for you the first year. Maybe we can hold a concert to raise funds for you after that. Lol. You are the lone voice of opposition on this issue over and over. The voice of the people have spoken and we want to pay more. Btw, I'm about the most anti govt, freedom loving, gun owner hard core right winger you will meet.
I have already said I will pay the $20 and I will buy a Snowpark permit. I am also a WSSA member.
then quit your b!tching!!!
As long as they increase grooming and don't close any riding areas I'm cool with it.
Pay To Play
That's what I'm talking about
Pay to play. Brandywine up in B.C. is a good example of what fees can do. $20.00 per sled.
That's what I'm talking about
For one, what the hell does this have anything to do with a Cat guy from the Midwest?
And if you think what I am doing is bitching then you haven't comprehended a single thing I have said.
Go home flatlander. Bring something of substance if you ever comeback.
to excuse your ignorance, i'm ORIGINALLY from the midwest. I currently reside here in the beautiful Northwest. You'd know that if you read that little thing called "location" across from my name. and to follow up, yes, i also snowmobile here too.
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