VW getting pummeled over their lies to the EPA

[mold]

Could always go EV....and think like these guys

we use wind and water in my little corner of paradise

 

[milehighassassin]

Spoken like a true lib. VW is also guilty of entirely mishandling situation. They should have said that based on their interpretation of emissions regulations the software was perfectly suited to this application and that they should be commended for reducing emissions in this way without sacrificing performance of their automobiles. Kudos to VW for using such sophisticated technology in this way. VW should be recognized globally for their commitment to a green planet. Clearly a technological leader in the industry.

There was nothing that was technologically savvy other than VAG creating a special code programmed into the ECU so that when the Traction control (more than likely) was turned off as they do on an emissions test, the vehicle would produce less power, less fuel economy and burn ultra clean. The person buying the car never drove it that way and are probably going to end up with a car after an ECU reflash that will drive worse, less power, less fuel economy and be as clean as VW originally told everyone it is. They cheated is all they did. Nothing fancy.

 

[milehighassassin]

There is talk that Fiat may buy them out and really screw things up!

I doubt Fiat has that kind of money. VAG is the largest automotive manufacture in the world. Fiat was trying to sell themselves to GM last I heard. GM said they have no interest in them.

 

[mold]

I doubt Fiat has that kind of money. VAG is the largest automotive manufacture in the world. Fiat was trying to sell themselves to GM last I heard. GM said they have no interest in them.

Besides Fiat they own Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Ferrari, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Ram and SRT.

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

we use wind and water in my little corner of paradise

Wind doesnt always blow & water doesnt always flow besides anytime you turn on a light you have no clue where that power is coming from.

Im ok with VW cheating for better mpg, dpf/egr/def are mpg robbing junk that polute more but at acceptable levels but use more fuel.

 

[Mafesto]

I doubt Fiat has that kind of money. VAG is the largest automotive manufacture in the world. Fiat was trying to sell themselves to GM last I heard. GM said they have no interest in them.

I would rather see GM pay back the American public than buying troubled foreign auto builders.

 

[Trashy]

Something you may see happen with this case that is different from the past would be responsible individuals being criminally charged rather than the company itself being fined. Stay tuned…

 

[milehighassassin]

I would rather see GM pay back the American public than buying troubled foreign auto builders.

They paid back their Loan. I also said they have zero interest in buying fiat.


Are you complaining about ford, Chrysler for paying back their loans?




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[milehighassassin]

Besides Fiat they own Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Ferrari, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Ram and SRT.

They own Dodge and SRT? Lol.

Does GMC own Denali. Lol


Seriously, VAG is way larger than Fiat.

I think it goes about like this
1. VAG
2. Toyota
3. GM
4. Nissan/Renault
5. Hyundai/Kia
6. Ford
7. Fiat
8. Honda
9. Peugeot
10. BMW


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[Mafesto]

U.S. government says it lost $11.2 billion on GM bailout........

That is OUR money they lost.

Actually it's our grandchildren's money.

 

[Trashy]

The Canadian government played a similar stunt with the GM bailout here...

They (GM) announced that the "loan" had been repaid when the truth was that it was only a fraction of the initial amount. Makes sense to forgive a good chunk of a loan when you can (misleadingly) spin doctor it into advertising to falsely regain market trust. What a farce.

 

[Mafesto]

Bailout was a huge mis-use of the peoples money.

 

[mold]

They own Dodge and SRT? Lol.


On July 21, 2011, Fiat bought the Chrysler shares held by the United States Treasury. With the purchase, Chrysler once again became foreign owned

On January 1, 2014, Fiat announced it would be acquiring the remaining shares of Chrysler owned by the VEBA worth $3.65 billion. The deal was completed on January 21, 2014. Several days later, the intended reorganization of Fiat and Chrysler under a new holding company, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, together with a new FCA logo were announced.

 

[mold]

BMW owns: Mini and Rolls Royce.

Fiat owns: Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Ferrari, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Ram and SRT.

Ford Motor Company owns: Lincoln and a small stake in Mazda.

General Motors owns: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, and GMC. GM owns a controlling interest in Opel and Vauxhall in Europe and Holden in Australia. (The U.S. Treasury Department is in the process of selling off the remaining GM stock holidngs.)

Honda owns: Acura.

Hyundai owns: Kia.

Tata Motors (India) owns: Jaguar and Land Rover.

Mazda mostly independently owned (Ford has small stake)

Mitsubishi is independently owned.

Daimler AG owns: Mercedes-Benz and Smart.

Nissan owns: Infiniti. (Nissan, in turn, is owned by Renault.)

Saab is owned by National Electric Vehicle Sweden (NEVS).

Subaru: Owned by Fuji Heavy Industries with Toyota a minority partner.

Tesla: Toyota is a minority partner. Partnership with Daimler AG.

Toyota Motor Company owns: Lexus, Scion, Daihatsu and Hino Motors, with a stake in Fuji Industries (Subaru's parent company) and Isuzu.

Volkswagen owns: Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, and overseas-brands SEAT and Skoda.

Volvo is owned by Chinese-automaker Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, aka Geely.

—Liza Barth

 

[milehighassassin]

Mazda has zero connection to ford. I don't think they have since 2011.


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[mold]

almost zero~~~~~"On November 18, 2010, Ford reduced its stake further to 3%."

 

[Vern]

I never understood how people figure that a vehicle that gets 10mpg but has clean exhaust due to emissions crap is better for the environment than a similar vehicle getting 20 mpgs with no emissions equipment. That's twice the fuel that has to be drilled and refined for the "cleaner" vehicle, which that process has got to pollute alot more than a vehicle with no emissions equipment. I think its funny what vw did outsmarting the EPA and all but if I owned one id be pissed, not that vw lied or anything but that now thanks to the epa if it ever went in to the shop for anything the performance and economy I was getting would be gone. I think id avoid goin to the dealer as long as possible

 

[89sandman]

Thank god at least for a little while there will be less noisy, stinky, black smoke blowing pos diesels out there!!! Too bad VW didn't make full size trucks so there would also be less idiots flooring their 4 inch exhausted pos's hoping the noise would drown out their thoughts about their sexual inadequacies

 

[bholmlate]

Thank god at least for a little while there be less noisy, stinky, black smoke blowing pos diesels out there!!! Too bad VW didn't make full size trucks so there would also be less idiots flooring their 4 inch exhausted pos's hoping the noise would drown out their thoughts about their sexual inadequacies

Running and hiding after that full frontal attack in a forum full of people who drive such vehicles

 

[89sandman]

No hiding here, nothing more rude than some dude in his jacked up diesel having to floor it from every stoplight, making everyone deaf and almost dead from the plume of black smoke billowing from the exhaust.