Turbo M8 Vs. Charged Nytro

[boosted1]

bigger plus' with the yammi

I think most on the board hear boosted nytro they think of some uber sweet CR racing built one. Then you say TM8 and everyone thinks of a stock M8 with a turbo slapped on it. Which isn't fair, your are into a CR built nytro what 30-35K? A m8 with turbo kit what 13-15k?

So if you were to take a bone stock nytro, put your choice of turbo kit on it. Allowed nothing but fuel and clutching changes, no new skid or light weight stuff. Then do the same with a Sno Pro M8, just turbo and clutching and fuel. I think the M8 might be the winner. Crap stock track on nytro, crap shocks and skid on nytro. You have the weight on a stock nytro.

Then flip it around and run them against each other totally decked out light weight everything new tunnels etc etc. I don't know who would win but I do know that I would at that point be happy with taking the losers sled home with me.

260-280hp, stock engine on premium fuel!
NEVER EVER on a 2 stroke!
not to mention 10000 miles on a boosted 4 stroker and its just broke in!

Come on.....we are talking stock engines here
if you run straight C116 and full blown mods to each, it would still be tuff to beat the 4 stroker, with that said I know about the turbo D&D 1200.....now big bore the 4 stroker, turbo......and line up.
Bottom line, if you want big hp and reliability - 4 stroke...!

The Yammi chassis is every bit as good as the rest of the stockers, yes that nose is harder to hold down because there is 25-50% more hp added to the yammis on a standard turbo kit than a standard 2 stroke kit...the maverick track...yes i agree worst track ever made!
I have ridden with a TM8 and it could only take my 2008 M1000 stocker by two lengths up a hill! line up my apex with 15lbs of boost! no contest.

 

[D_EDGE]

I would definitly like to see a turbo nytro run in person. There is no doubt the turbo 4-strokes are a sweet setup. The TM8's are a fun sled to ride, having good power and being fairly light, but for all out power/reliability the Apex is still king. Waiting to see what they come out with next year so I can have one of each Now I just need to make an extra 30k this year

 

[Hoody]

I agree with everything you are saying but I thought that 260 and 280 are a mix of 50/50 adn 280-300 was full race. On pump I was told 240 was pushing it? Yes you will have to rebuild the 2 stroke all the time. May not blow up, but you will be refreshing it once or twice a season.


WTF? you are saying a TM8 is only two sled lenghts faster than a stock m10.

 

[Hairy Mark]

appreantly all you tapex guys have been smoking crack because that is how much bs you guys have been spewing. first off a tm8 will run with ANY tapex with a garrett 25 that set up is good to about 290hp if the sled is in stock trim. and it will run with all of them when they have a 28 when they boost to 19#. i have done it with all of them so don't say nothing about. now the comparison between a nytro on boost and a tm8 on boost is going to be very close. you might have to replace pistons in the m8, i don't know i am running 12 to 14# and i have 2k on mine and the pistons look great and the squish is good. you want to run big boost numbers out of a nytro you are going to have to do alot of internal motor work to the thing. i have seen several vectors that broke rods running big boost so i know i shouldn't be done. if you want dollar for dollar i am sure the tm8 will run all day with any nytro. stock sled with turbo vs. stock sled with turbo.

 

[boosted1]

new synergy kit

I agree with everything you are saying but I thought that 260 and 280 are a mix of 50/50 adn 280-300 was full race. On pump I was told 240 was pushing it? Yes you will have to rebuild the 2 stroke all the time. May not blow up, but you will be refreshing it once or twice a season.


WTF? you are saying a TM8 is only two sled lenghts faster than a stock m10.

I am running the new Synergy kit which retards the timing as the boost pours on, I was being conservative at the hp#'s in fact its supposed to be 300hp at 15lbs on pump gas, I ride with a MCX at 14lbs and he runs 50/50 race / premium and the Synergy kit is way more responsive, not to mention faster.

as for the TM8, wasnt set up properly seemed to fall on its face on the top end, i came away from that trip thinking what a waste of money putting a turbo on a 2 stroke

I lined up with him with my Apex and jumped him about 2 lengths outta the hole and pulled away VERY hard.

 

[rooster740]

I am not here to rub egg on anybodys face, but who won the shoot out at Cooke? I was not there to witness it, but I heard a rumor that the sled which won, was not the one that I expected to hear about.

 

[Hoody]

Thats what I thought boosted1 you cant compare a good running apex turbo against a ****ty running turbo M8.

 

[Dano702]

I am a green horn as far as boosted sleds go , but i am about to find out . My M8 is being pulled out of the crate in the morning . The engine break in trail ride will happen this weekend . I think it is going to get a 2871 , but this is going to be a pump gasser . So i guess i wont have a chance against a 4 stroke.

I would love to ride with one though , i hope to be on pump gas boost by the end of the month.

 

[twsandrew]

I have two 2860 TM7s and a T Nytro. I hear the TM7 and 8 are pretty close up top with a 2860 so I will assume what i know applies. I think with both at 10lbs they are pretty close with a slight edge to the Nytro. With the nytro running 13+ there is no comparison. My Nytro only has a few rides and it still needs tuning but it should dominate because it can run more boost. T M cats are indeed cheap and tons of fun for the money. My one M7 at 12 lbs gives me permagrin all day in the deepest snow. Nytro is the best chassis I have ever ridden and I have only had mine on 10#. Going to run 14 tomorrow and will have one of my M7s at 12 to compare. Will report back

 

[boosted1]

crack smoker here

appreantly all you tapex guys have been smoking crack because that is how much bs you guys have been spewing. first off a tm8 will run with ANY tapex with a garrett 25 that set up is good to about 290hp if the sled is in stock trim. and it will run with all of them when they have a 28 when they boost to 19#. i have done it with all of them so don't say nothing about. now the comparison between a nytro on boost and a tm8 on boost is going to be very close. you might have to replace pistons in the m8, i don't know i am running 12 to 14# and i have 2k on mine and the pistons look great and the squish is good. you want to run big boost numbers out of a nytro you are going to have to do alot of internal motor work to the thing. i have seen several vectors that broke rods running big boost so i know i shouldn't be done. if you want dollar for dollar i am sure the tm8 will run all day with any nytro. stock sled with turbo vs. stock sled with turbo.

No Bull here my friend! show me a boosted 2 stroke that works all day everyday!
I would rather pull the flipper and enjoy the day, than watch the gauges...if you run 14# on your M and can keep up with me on my Apex running 14# all day....on premium fuel, I might consider turboing an M...never happen IMO
Rode with a dragon turbo 700 as well and hell the M1000 was right on its bumper! yet to see one that works guys!
Im a diehard cat guy here! riding Cat since i was a kid, my M1000 is fun but its a spare.
Once I rode the Apex boosted up, I was hooked!
Open your minds boys! 4 strokers are freakin sweet!

 

[m8magicandmystery]

well up here even the 08 skidoo boosted took the best running boosted apex ...and the apex had another 6000 dollars in lightwieght parts..5 straight times in speed runs...two lengths out of the hole and the apex could not reel him in...in fact the apex owners brother ordered a turboed bombardier on the spot...and as for four strokes...well the 2
stroke direct injection has just given the two stokes another few good decades...yes the fourstrokes boosted have dominated the scene in the past...the future holds many surprises

 

[TURBOMAN]

LOL at this thread.

Mark you nailed it.......

I love my two stroke turbo. I loved my four stroke turbo also. A turbo two stroke IN THE RIGHT HANDS can work very well.

 

[Hairy Mark]

No Bull here my friend! show me a boosted 2 stroke that works all day everyday!
I would rather pull the flipper and enjoy the day, than watch the gauges...if you run 14# on your M and can keep up with me on my Apex running 14# all day....on premium fuel, I might consider turboing an M...never happen IMO
Rode with a dragon turbo 700 as well and hell the M1000 was right on its bumper! yet to see one that works guys!
Im a diehard cat guy here! riding Cat since i was a kid, my M1000 is fun but its a spare.
Once I rode the Apex boosted up, I was hooked!
Open your minds boys! 4 strokers are freakin sweet!

well i will tell you that i have as little probs with my tm8 then all the guys do with their tapex. all of them. you mod any sled you better expect to wrench on the thing. heck i have seen several tapexs catch on fire. we had to shovel snow on them to put them out. no mod sled is just turn key and go all the time. i have put several together myself and not one of them has probs other then what the owner has caused. and i will put my sled up against anybodies sled. sure i will lose sometimes great but that is the fun of it. and i am pretty sure that the big sled on the hill this year is going to be a 1200 with a huge turbo on it. but what do i know.

 

[M Turbo]

I own a tm8 and run it at 14lbs all day long. no troubles at all !!!! I've never ran against a nitro turbo, but i ride with tapex's all the time and i never been beat in the deep and steep!!!! and i don't have 60k into mine like they do!!!!!! I personally think the nitro's won't keep up.

 

[m8magicandmystery]

bottom line is that the turbo m8 given the fact that it is several hundred cc
shy of the yami turbos is extremely competitive for being well below in displacement..lets put an 800 cc in the apex and nytro..yea l would love the apex and nytro turbo sleds...that way l would have two boat anchors...

 

[m8magicandmystery]

enlightment

Its better to sit back and be quiet and hide ignorance than step forward open your mouth and display it.

oh now l know what is meant by real world experience,,,

 

[Mcx Nytro]

not a chance that the nytro will be near the machine the m8 both boosted....l would be surprised if the boosted nytro could challange a boosted m6

Its obvious you've never ridden the nytro with boost even @ 14 lbs over 65 mph track speed with a 16 camo extreme............so before posting remember

Its better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

 

[10954]

turbo nytro vs all the others

2 weeks ago i rode with trey owner of hi altitude in salida,co . 2 mcx nytro's and 2 apex's. 1 boondocker 1 mcx. 3 days of riding. if i was going to spend my $ on a turbo, it's only on the the yamahas. no 2 stroke turbo will last like the yamaha period. i rode em, they will scare the daylights out of ya at 12000 feet nothing like it. period. user freindly. wow. but for you 2 stroke turbo diehards maybe you should try removing the intercooler. it will make your project easier to put up with!

 

[fastgas]

From what I've heard, the turbo Nytro is definitely a contender. At 17lbs boost, the Nytro simply walked away from all the 2-stroke turbos, even after turning the 2-strokes up to 14lbs. Unreal bottom end (immediately pulls skis, makes boost at 4000rpm), and it's a fun-handling sled, side-hills great! It's clearly the Apex replacement for mtn riding, and perhaps something for the 2-stroke riders to consider who don't mind giving up a little weight (really not that noticeable) for 4-stroke reliability...

 

[Remmy]

I have ridden with a TM8 and it could only take my 2008 M1000 stocker by two lengths up a hill! line up my apex with 15lbs of boost! no contest.

Then that TM8 was definetly setup like chit. I know the boondocker M8 I've ridden (and ride with) will destroy any stocker I've seen, and that's only at 8-9 lbs of boost.

As for a TApex at 15+ lbs, yes they are a freakin animal that requires substantial suspension upgrades to even handle the torque and power.

I will be very suprised if I see a M8 turbo that will run with a properly setup Tapex at 19 lbs. of boost. Once the two-stroke turbos start winning the Canadian shootouts (Since the Canucks undoubtedly build some of the most bada$$ turbos in the world) I'll start believing that one.