Turbo dynamics stage 4 or big chute 300 hp?????
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EVO Super chute. Proven, reliable power, great customer support. Buy duct tape to keep hands on bars.
We have run about all of them and the Evolution stuff is far and above the most superior there is right now. Don't waste your time with anything else.
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brendan ross
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weve built a big chute and have a td 3 stage with anti lag the thing is awesome it worked great on the evo programing to but its working even better now and if you run out of fuel or have ****ty fuel you can run 87 octance and still be fine
we also built and 1100 with a turbine tech housing (similar to evo bc)
and it is just unreal.
we also have done many td 4 stage programs and there working flawless either way there is no bad decision there both great working products
we also built and 1100 with a turbine tech housing (similar to evo bc)
and it is just unreal.
we also have done many td 4 stage programs and there working flawless either way there is no bad decision there both great working products
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bcguy
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Low altitude the td stuff would beat the evo big chute in 1 one 1 testing. The Evo turbo does better at altitude. We used the td programming with the Evo turbo, this to me was the best of both worlds. I can adjust for different fuels. Every time I've called the Evo guys(American side)Jim I have had excellent iand courteous feedback and am very happy with dealing with them. I can say the same with dealing with Ben from turbo dynamics.
just a humble opinion
As you had mentioned Mark, Jim from Evo, and Ben from TD offer a great product for the power minded consumer, after testing these 1100 turbos at an altitude of 5-6000 ft that day, the td program worked flawless, I do appreciate the option of hp settings by the turn if a switch and a very effective knock lite that can save your bacon if the fuel requirements are not there. If our riding, or altitude numbers were in the 8-10,000 ft range, we would have seen the substancial benefits of the Evo turbo in my opinion, the td turbo is definitely a well thoughtout piece along with its unique wastegate. For the lower elevation backcountry mountain riders this is the ticket, for our high elevation brothers of the snow, Evo builds a non-compromising product. Keep up the good work Jim-EVO and Ben-TD. Whether low elevation mountains, or high mountain elevation, you put smiles on alot of faces, keep it up.
As you had mentioned Mark, Jim from Evo, and Ben from TD offer a great product for the power minded consumer, after testing these 1100 turbos at an altitude of 5-6000 ft that day, the td program worked flawless, I do appreciate the option of hp settings by the turn if a switch and a very effective knock lite that can save your bacon if the fuel requirements are not there. If our riding, or altitude numbers were in the 8-10,000 ft range, we would have seen the substancial benefits of the Evo turbo in my opinion, the td turbo is definitely a well thoughtout piece along with its unique wastegate. For the lower elevation backcountry mountain riders this is the ticket, for our high elevation brothers of the snow, Evo builds a non-compromising product. Keep up the good work Jim-EVO and Ben-TD. Whether low elevation mountains, or high mountain elevation, you put smiles on alot of faces, keep it up.
For the money I think our 4 stage setup is hard to beat.
You have a lot of safety features in this TD 4 stage like the TD knock light, TD boost adjust feature that reduces boost in the event of knock... as well as having multiple maps that can work with different octane level, from 87 to 116+
However for the riding at 8000 to 12 000 feet +, turbo ugprades are an advantage as they have enough airflow to compensate for the thin air and keep power up. That is where an Evo turbo upgrade or a TD/TT turbo upgrade will lay a bad beating on a stock turbo even with mapping.
I like a lot of the EVO product as well, like the cold air intake and the Fan. The fan is a must in my opinion on any mountain sled. This is something we did in the Z1 turbos back in 2010 and it helped even on trail sleds. On mountain sleds, the intercooler temps get so hot you could burn yourself touching them after a hard climb. With the fan they stay warm but not nearly as hot.
You have a lot of safety features in this TD 4 stage like the TD knock light, TD boost adjust feature that reduces boost in the event of knock... as well as having multiple maps that can work with different octane level, from 87 to 116+
However for the riding at 8000 to 12 000 feet +, turbo ugprades are an advantage as they have enough airflow to compensate for the thin air and keep power up. That is where an Evo turbo upgrade or a TD/TT turbo upgrade will lay a bad beating on a stock turbo even with mapping.
I like a lot of the EVO product as well, like the cold air intake and the Fan. The fan is a must in my opinion on any mountain sled. This is something we did in the Z1 turbos back in 2010 and it helped even on trail sleds. On mountain sleds, the intercooler temps get so hot you could burn yourself touching them after a hard climb. With the fan they stay warm but not nearly as hot.
I will respectfully add some comments.....
As I'm sure most know the Big Chute comes in a 250 or 275 hp kits. I have sold a lot more of the 275 kits as most came off sleds running av or mixing. For guys that strictly mountain ride the selectable switch is a nice feature but not one most would use if they don't ride at lower levels. Max power all the time lol.
As for more hp than the bc275, the sc260 or 300 are completely different animals. They ride nothing like the BC kits.
From testing for almost 2 years now, in strictly the mountain segment, the Evo products have by far the most tuning time and product testing on the snow. The benefits of a bigger turbo are very evident at past 3500'. The stock turbo is not close in those riding conditions, with any reflash or piggyback. I've rode them all, just like many of our customers. 10+ minutes of hard riding, or multiple chutes in a row it's dying. I've seen it first hand many times and heard it all last winter, and this one, from customers. Most Evo turbo kit customers had a reflash and stock turbo and wanted more. That doesn't mean the products other than Evo are bad, just means the turbo upgrades are necessary for the purpose mountain rider.....and no one has more time on complete kits than Evo in this specialized area.
Happy Ben and the TD guys could come and see what it's all about out here. Would love to see another kit on the snow to run with. I was up till midnight making sure I got Mark's ECU flashed and out before I was gone for a week. Didn't know how important that was at the time, you guys sneaking in and such.
. That being said that's how I try and treat any customer.
I'm dont really want to get into the sleds themselves in the videos, happy you posted something, but I was wondering if there was a reason the BC turbo was running a stage 3 and the other one was running a stage 4. Is there a reason you didn't run the stage 4 on the BC. I dont remember What stage you ran on the TR/TT turbo. Also the BC looked to have a lot harder time with hook up at launch, just wonder if there was a glaring difference in set up you could put your finger on. It seemed to wheelie a lot more at launch than the other two.
As I'm sure most know the Big Chute comes in a 250 or 275 hp kits. I have sold a lot more of the 275 kits as most came off sleds running av or mixing. For guys that strictly mountain ride the selectable switch is a nice feature but not one most would use if they don't ride at lower levels. Max power all the time lol.
As for more hp than the bc275, the sc260 or 300 are completely different animals. They ride nothing like the BC kits.
From testing for almost 2 years now, in strictly the mountain segment, the Evo products have by far the most tuning time and product testing on the snow. The benefits of a bigger turbo are very evident at past 3500'. The stock turbo is not close in those riding conditions, with any reflash or piggyback. I've rode them all, just like many of our customers. 10+ minutes of hard riding, or multiple chutes in a row it's dying. I've seen it first hand many times and heard it all last winter, and this one, from customers. Most Evo turbo kit customers had a reflash and stock turbo and wanted more. That doesn't mean the products other than Evo are bad, just means the turbo upgrades are necessary for the purpose mountain rider.....and no one has more time on complete kits than Evo in this specialized area.
Happy Ben and the TD guys could come and see what it's all about out here. Would love to see another kit on the snow to run with. I was up till midnight making sure I got Mark's ECU flashed and out before I was gone for a week. Didn't know how important that was at the time, you guys sneaking in and such.
. That being said that's how I try and treat any customer.I'm dont really want to get into the sleds themselves in the videos, happy you posted something, but I was wondering if there was a reason the BC turbo was running a stage 3 and the other one was running a stage 4. Is there a reason you didn't run the stage 4 on the BC. I dont remember What stage you ran on the TR/TT turbo. Also the BC looked to have a lot harder time with hook up at launch, just wonder if there was a glaring difference in set up you could put your finger on. It seemed to wheelie a lot more at launch than the other two.
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Turbo11T
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Just a side note on this post. . . I am watching it. TD you need to remember that you are not a paid advertiser at this time. Please keep your facts straight or I will be forced to delete posts. I was already informed by a 3rd party that some information that was portrayed may not be completely accurate. So keep it straight.
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Who makes the air intake the TD sled in the video? Thank you in advance.
There are a few sleds in the video running TD products, most with stock/modded stock intakes, one with a EVO cold air intake. Mark's sled the orange one has the EVO 275 power package which includes the Evo turbo upgrade, the EVO fan, but he's now running a TD 3 stage ECU reflash with antilag.
The 3 stage ECU btw guys isn't less powerful than the 4 stage. It just means it's got 3 programs instead of 4. Because the antilag takes 1 program, that is the launch control for drag racing or getting full power off the line.
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Good eye on this... yes we noticed the TT sled had better hook up and transferred better with less ski lift. We did not play with the set ups too much as Mark enjoys the fact his EVO upgraded sled running TD flash is a wheelie machine. We could work on his suspension settings and make it faster in drag racing but it wouldn't wheelie/transfer as much.
Depends on how the customer rides and what he wants.
Humm, I try to be as straight forward as possible. If you can, let me know what I said that sounds untrue or is misleading.
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ak
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Keep in mind guys I think his friend is in Alaska, and average riding is from sea level to 5000 tops. Usually not even that high
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bcguy
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Gene , I do appreciate the fact that you spent until midnight on my sled. The evo program was flawless the sled ran great. With the exception of a slight mechanical issue the install was easy to follow and I would recommend this kit to anyone with this sled . I also Witnessed the td sleds in action and they work very well. For me the ability to run a lower grade fuel at the flip of a switch was something that I felt I would use that's why I gave Ben a shot at programming. We used a different ecu and were able to test them back to back. The power level at max was very close. The strait goods, from someone who isn't selling anything goes this way ,across the field even from a rolling start the equivalent td 4 stage , with 3 inch track was beating me and I assure you that's not what I wanted.Up on the mountain the evo turbo just plain rocks. I'm down on boost a bit and still when you crack it the thing wants to pull out of your hands. In closing evo guys, td guys you both are a asset to anyone who owns this 4 stroke. I come off a twisted 1200 race gas and when I first got this sled I was very disappointed.now I can't wait for the weekend thank you
This has got to be the biggest lie I've ever read on any snowmobile forum.
TD is famous for promising big, and not delivering. He'll take you money and you won't see product for 2 or 3 months. Then when there is a problem it is your fault
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brendan ross
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we have done well over 20 sleds with td product and all have ran flawless and ben has done all that he can to help us if there where any problems (which was next to nothing) and as far as promising big and not delivering all customers where satisfied with what they got i have nothing bad to say about ben or evo for that matter all product we have used from both work flawless
