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Firecat162
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Unfortuneatly this is one of those...what came first the chicken or the egg.....kind of debates.
Tragedy, Thrill Seeking or Stupidity ?
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discuss this with your mother for clarification..
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modsledr
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modsledr
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This post has raised some interesting responses...funny how some try to justify reckless actions by comparing them to everyday activities like driving.
Just because there is avy danger (remember, 75% of avy deaths occur when the danger is moderate or considerable), doesn't mean you should stay home, it just means to understand the danger and where the danger is most likely to result in an avy...if you educate yourself, at least you can make decisions that will get you home.
Some of my best and most hardcore rides have occured when we stayed away from the hills.
Its not just about YOU and your thrill seeking lifestyle (and yes, I'm one of YOU)...its about your family and friends you leave behind. You may think they will celebrate your "death by choice" but you are wrong.
Just because there is avy danger (remember, 75% of avy deaths occur when the danger is moderate or considerable), doesn't mean you should stay home, it just means to understand the danger and where the danger is most likely to result in an avy...if you educate yourself, at least you can make decisions that will get you home.
Some of my best and most hardcore rides have occured when we stayed away from the hills.
Its not just about YOU and your thrill seeking lifestyle (and yes, I'm one of YOU)...its about your family and friends you leave behind. You may think they will celebrate your "death by choice" but you are wrong.
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Rock Star
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There is NO need to Risk death. wtf? why? what about some balance in life? And I am the world's oldest living teenager. I LIVE, Dude. That just shows that you have never BEEN seriously injured or close to death. Neither is a good option at all. Having lived HARD and being now over 50 and having been seriously injured and lucky to be here at all I can say your ideal is bull****. Call me back after you've had a few major surgeries and come close to checking out. Rehab is FUN! Risk it all. You'll make someone a great ancestor if properly insured at least. Chill the heck out. Some one MUST be gonna miss ya when you don'tcome home. If not, do some charity work and make it so you WILL be missed.
Beels is right. You really don't get it. that's sad. and dangerous!
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Clarke673
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I just said that in response to Beels. I’m still waiting on his knowledge btw.
I don’t risk my life when I ride more than anyone else who rides hard. I am not worried or prepared for death I am not condoning it. I was simply saying I would rather take a few risks than not take any at all.
I am far more worried about being hit by a drunk driver coming home from a sledding trip than I am about being killed while riding.
So what is it that you are getting at? That no one should go riding in the mountains? Riding in the mountains puts you at risk for being in a avy no matter what you do, who you are, or how much training you have.
I don’t risk my life when I ride more than anyone else who rides hard. I am not worried or prepared for death I am not condoning it. I was simply saying I would rather take a few risks than not take any at all.
I am far more worried about being hit by a drunk driver coming home from a sledding trip than I am about being killed while riding.
So what is it that you are getting at? That no one should go riding in the mountains? Riding in the mountains puts you at risk for being in a avy no matter what you do, who you are, or how much training you have.
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Rock Star
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NO NO NO and NO!!!! I suggest riding in the mountains every day you can get away to ride. 7 days a week all winter would be good. BUT.... BUT.... stay out of slide paths, stay off of hills when the warnings say to. There is almost NO risk of being in an avy if you stay out of harms way. We have 3 million acres out my door to ride. Chutes and big hills (killers) and forest and meadows. We can ride every day w/o being in the path of death. Just make wise choices based on that days reports and the current and past weather. It's not rocket science. Get out and ride. but make wise choices.
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Clarke673
Somewhere between too dumb to quit and flat earth
What you just said is for the most part what I do and live by in the mountains. I love to boondock, jump stuff, ride the meadows, hit some tree covered climbs, and get stuck a whole bunch. The only chutes you will see OWN climbing will be in June or July.
Im not saying that I am a hardcore hill climber who loves wind loaded slopes in the sun. I was originally posting hear saying that avalanches are ACCIDENTS and that you guys were being a little hard on people involved with the current avy crisis’s. Remember, the people killed in Fernie were all parked not affecting the slopes at all. Fernie was an accident 100% because the avy was not human triggered. They simply were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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The Fernie / Sparwood incident is an extreme case where a poor decision was made by a few and it cost multiple others their lives. No one is slagging the victims, dragging them through the mud, etc. This is why you're NOT getting it. You, yourself have mentioned "avy crisis", yet people are still tempting fate and putting themselves in harm's way. What has to happen before people wake up and understand that it's NOT even remotely safe on any type of slope right now?
It's not about anyone trying to play "who's the smartest sledder". It's about awareness. Even if ONE person takes this issue to heart and it saves ONE life, it's worth it. I'm not sure why you're taking this so personally? I once was balls to the wall and live for today, screw tommorrow, but once you lose a friend or acquaintance from the snowmobile community and understand what their families and loved ones go through, it changes your outlook. Comparing highway fatalities from drunk driving and cardiovascular diseases from a poor diet don't apply here. Backcountry and avalanche awareness is the topic here.
It's all about choices and there's been some poor ones made in many incidents this winter, and I hope we can ALL learn from that.
The fact of the matter is, people aren't getting it and we're still seeing unnecessary deaths out there. All I want is the unnecessary backcountry deaths to stop. Live to ride another day.
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Clarke673
Somewhere between too dumb to quit and flat earth
Well put post beels. 
The reason i was taking this personally is because the author of the article labeled the people in fernie as adrenalin junkies and made it sound like they were bad people out there doing wrong. They were not and they did everything right aside from making a poor decision to go riding that day in that location. Granted there are a LOT of stupid people and some of them even had an avalanche coming but fernie was not one of those cases.
People are listening. There are VERY few high marks in Cooke right now. Luckily the snow is setting up from all this nice sunny weather and maybe in a week or so the conditions won't be that bad and we can get back to riding.
Until then, im still on my short track 800 and i couldn't be having more fun on it anyways. No matter what you do there will always be some jack *** trying to show off how much balls he has and how much money he has in his sled by hitting the most dangerous slopes on the dangerous days. The people that are like that remind me of people who believe global warming is real and that Bush rigged the elections in 04 and 00.
Some people just can not be helped and process of natural selection takes over.
The reason i was taking this personally is because the author of the article labeled the people in fernie as adrenalin junkies and made it sound like they were bad people out there doing wrong. They were not and they did everything right aside from making a poor decision to go riding that day in that location. Granted there are a LOT of stupid people and some of them even had an avalanche coming but fernie was not one of those cases.
People are listening. There are VERY few high marks in Cooke right now. Luckily the snow is setting up from all this nice sunny weather and maybe in a week or so the conditions won't be that bad and we can get back to riding.
Until then, im still on my short track 800 and i couldn't be having more fun on it anyways. No matter what you do there will always be some jack *** trying to show off how much balls he has and how much money he has in his sled by hitting the most dangerous slopes on the dangerous days. The people that are like that remind me of people who believe global warming is real and that Bush rigged the elections in 04 and 00.
Some people just can not be helped and process of natural selection takes over.
With my limited knowledge, avy conditions may improve a bit, but the bad layer is going to haunt us all year.
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