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Tragedy, Thrill Seeking or Stupidity ?

I found this article and though it might stimulate a little thought!

Tragedy, Thrill Seeking or Stupidity ?

Over the last couple of weeks the news reports have headlined the “tragedies” of young people dying during winter activities;

In Fernie B.C., eleven young men in their prime, all with good paying jobs and bright futures decided to go snowmobiling in the local mountains. The Canadian Avalanche Centre had issued an advisory that day warning of dangerous conditions and the strong possibility of natural and human-triggered avalanches. They all knew of the warning but still chose to proceed. Their machines started an avalanche that enveloped them and ended up killing 8 of them.

The body of a 37-year-old Whistler man was found Thursday on Blackcomb Mountain on a ski run called Spanky's Ladder. An avalanche occurred there on Wednesday and a search was called after the skier was reported missing. The area was clearly marked as “OFF LIMITS” and warning of avalanche dangers.

The second fatality occurred a few hours later on Whistler Mountain after an avalanche hit a ski course called Hidden Chute. RCMP said the victim was a 26-year-old man from outside B.C. The area was clearly marked as “OFF LIMITS” and warning of avalanche dangers.

Three skiers and a snowboarder have been banned for life from B.C.'s Grouse Mountain ski resort after the four ducked a rope at 1 p.m. Friday and entered an avalanche-prone area despite warnings from ski patrol.

Rescuers refused to follow the four males, all in their late teens and early 20s, due to the avalanche danger. Instead, North Shore Search and Rescue guided the group from the area via helicopter 45 minutes later. The four suspects, who were described as uncooperative and emotionless, refused to provide their names to rescuers, but were subsequently interviewed by the RCMP.


It is sad when anyone dies and everyone’s initial reaction is to feel sadness for the dead, their relatives and their friends.


The second reaction is to try to understand a reason for that death. One can understand the death of a Canadian soldier dying in Afghanistan notwithstanding what position you have on that war. One can understand the death of a policeman and/or firefighter during the performance of their duties. Those are still “tragedies”.


Trying to understand the avalanche caused deaths of these individuals in B.C. brings one to anger - anger at the stupidity and “macho” needs that needlessly takes lives and endangers others.


These were no “tragedies” they were lessons on human weakness!


If someone was killed or injured trying to rescue these guys then that would have been a tragedy.


If a person comes upon a bridge that has been boarded off and labeled as “UNSAFE – DO NOT USE” and then decides to cross that bridge and is killed in the process then do we deal with that death as a “tragedy”?


Every year we hear of people (mainly young men) dying because of trying to snowmobile across a partially frozen lake at night, or passing 3 or more cars at the same time on a highway, or skiing or snowboarding in areas deemed “OFF LIMITS”, or racing their cars at 160 km/hr. My major regret is that the media does not cover these deaths as acts of overt “stupidity” but as “tragedies”. The “tragedy” is that next one to die does not appear to get the message.


Perhaps if the posthumous winners of the Darwin Awards were better advertised then some of the potential future recipients might get the message!
 
Good post, but if someone from the 4m had said those words, I think that they would be getting ridiculed and bad repped.
 
Good post, but if someone from the 4m had said those words, I think that they would be getting ridiculed and bad repped.

They probably would be catching some crap for that. That sort of mentality is part of the problem.

Unfortunately trying to convince people to stay away from the hills when there is a danger of avalanches is like trying to convince sexually active teenagers that abstinence is the way to go lol
 
Death is always going to be a tragic outcome, but many of us, myself included are type A's. Some Type A's are thrill seekers and live for taking chances. All risks should be calculated and weighed as to the possible outcome. If the risk is to great, needless to say, it shouldn't be attempted. Lumping all of the 8 snowmobiler's who perished into a "stupidity" is definitely unfair. Those who risked their lives to save others are hero's, had they left their buried friends on the hill and left they would be ridiculed for the rest of their lives and labeled as cowards. We more than likely would not ever have populated the West if it wasn't for the adventurous thrill seeking spirit of Lewis and Clark and many others. There are always going to be skiiers who will ski out of bounds, many live for this type of activity. Every now and then things go wrong, some do it for a lifetime without any ill consequences. Let's be careful not to persecute others for making personal choices, they know the risks. We already have far to many rules and reguations governing our workplace, let's not give the liberals any more ideas over what they may want to govern next. We don't need any more loss of freedoms. Snowmobiling is an extremely dangerous activity, be careful.
 
This is a subject that will forever be debated amongst people and groups with completely different views and outlooks on LIFE in general. You have people that LIVE their lives to the fullest each and every day...every breath like its their last. On the other hand you have people that go through life with no ambition, no drive no meaningfull purpose other than to EXIST. They lock them selves up in an imagineary bubble free of all unnecessary risk, and good for them, I hope it works for them, because in the end we will all end up dead, some sooner than others.I for one, fall into the first group whole heartedly. I was born with a severly deformed right foot and had it amputated at 1 year old. I wear a below knee prosthetic and have since I was 2 years old. Instead of laying around feeling sorry for myself I wanted to push the limits in everything I was a part of. Hockey,skiing,softball and Bull Riding. I competed as a professional bull rider for 7 yrs going to as many as 150 events a year. Some would say that is risking your life...I would say thats LIVING life. Over the years I lost 3 good friends to Bull Riding Injuries. Very sad and very tragic for those around them including family & friends...would any of those guys ask you or want you to be sorry for them individually....NEVER. They knew the risks and that one day thay may pay the ultimate price with their life, and they did. Would they change it if they could do it all over again...knowing these guys...I say no....neither would I. Risks are a part of our world whether you acknowledge it or not. Driving, walking through a park,walking through a rough neighbourhood at night, playing golf in a thunderstorm, smoking,drinking, breathing the air that is so polluted...the list goes on. I don't see how anyone has the right to criticize anothers life choices and call them stupid or careless or brainless. Not one of those fellow sledders that died this year or any other year in avalanches or related accidents would ask you to feel sorry for them or JUDGE them, but they would like you to mind your own buisness and pay some respect to their families and loved ones.Mind your own buisness, live life how you see fit, don't judge others on how they are living theirs and have some respect.

Ride Safe, Play Hard!:beer;
 
This is a subject that will forever be debated amongst people and groups with completely different views and outlooks on LIFE in general. You have people that LIVE their lives to the fullest each and every day...every breath like its their last. On the other hand you have people that go through life with no ambition, no drive no meaningfull purpose other than to EXIST. They lock them selves up in an imagineary bubble free of all unnecessary risk, and good for them, I hope it works for them, because in the end we will all end up dead, some sooner than others.I for one, fall into the first group whole heartedly. I was born with a severly deformed right foot and had it amputated at 1 year old. I wear a below knee prosthetic and have since I was 2 years old. Instead of laying around feeling sorry for myself I wanted to push the limits in everything I was a part of. Hockey,skiing,softball and Bull Riding. I competed as a professional bull rider for 7 yrs going to as many as 150 events a year. Some would say that is risking your life...I would say thats LIVING life. Over the years I lost 3 good friends to Bull Riding Injuries. Very sad and very tragic for those around them including family & friends...would any of those guys ask you or want you to be sorry for them individually....NEVER. They knew the risks and that one day thay may pay the ultimate price with their life, and they did. Would they change it if they could do it all over again...knowing these guys...I say no....neither would I. Risks are a part of our world whether you acknowledge it or not. Driving, walking through a park,walking through a rough neighbourhood at night, playing golf in a thunderstorm, smoking,drinking, breathing the air that is so polluted...the list goes on. I don't see how anyone has the right to criticize anothers life choices and call them stupid or careless or brainless. Not one of those fellow sledders that died this year or any other year in avalanches or related accidents would ask you to feel sorry for them or JUDGE them, but they would like you to mind your own buisness and pay some respect to their families and loved ones.Mind your own buisness, live life how you see fit, don't judge others on how they are living theirs and have some respect.

Ride Safe, Play Hard!:beer;



Excellent response!!!!
 
I can only speek for the fernie episode. The Avy warning was not extreme, it was moderate. Its surprising how the Avy warning changed to cover thy azz. The boys were in a lower meadow ( in the sparse trees were everybody has lunch for over 30 years ) when the AVY came from the top of the mountain and to one side. How did the sleds trigger the Avy? They were 30-40 feet from the trees. Don't judge if you don't know. The snow cat drove up there the next day on the road.
There only mistake was to go for a ride on that day.
 
This is a subject that will forever be debated amongst people and groups with completely different views and outlooks on LIFE in general. You have people that LIVE their lives to the fullest each and every day...every breath like its their last. On the other hand you have people that go through life with no ambition, no drive no meaningfull purpose other than to EXIST. They lock them selves up in an imagineary bubble free of all unnecessary risk, and good for them, I hope it works for them, because in the end we will all end up dead, some sooner than others.I for one, fall into the first group whole heartedly. I was born with a severly deformed right foot and had it amputated at 1 year old. I wear a below knee prosthetic and have since I was 2 years old. Instead of laying around feeling sorry for myself I wanted to push the limits in everything I was a part of. Hockey,skiing,softball and Bull Riding. I competed as a professional bull rider for 7 yrs going to as many as 150 events a year. Some would say that is risking your life...I would say thats LIVING life. Over the years I lost 3 good friends to Bull Riding Injuries. Very sad and very tragic for those around them including family & friends...would any of those guys ask you or want you to be sorry for them individually....NEVER. They knew the risks and that one day thay may pay the ultimate price with their life, and they did. Would they change it if they could do it all over again...knowing these guys...I say no....neither would I. Risks are a part of our world whether you acknowledge it or not. Driving, walking through a park,walking through a rough neighbourhood at night, playing golf in a thunderstorm, smoking,drinking, breathing the air that is so polluted...the list goes on. I don't see how anyone has the right to criticize anothers life choices and call them stupid or careless or brainless. Not one of those fellow sledders that died this year or any other year in avalanches or related accidents would ask you to feel sorry for them or JUDGE them, but they would like you to mind your own buisness and pay some respect to their families and loved ones.Mind your own buisness, live life how you see fit, don't judge others on how they are living theirs and have some respect.

Ride Safe, Play Hard!:beer;

great response for certain...checkmate
 
I would guess this person doesn't leave their house much.

Well said firecat.

You can choose live, or simply to be alive.

These incidents were indeed tragedies. Hardly a day passes that I don't wish I could wash away the images of the tragedies I have beared witness to, and yet I feel better having been there on my friends final day as opposed to wishing I had been there, to see him one last time.

Life is short, fu@k some sh!t up!!!!!
 
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This is a subject that will forever be debated amongst people and groups with completely different views and outlooks on LIFE in general. You have people that LIVE their lives to the fullest each and every day...every breath like its their last. On the other hand you have people that go through life with no ambition, no drive no meaningfull purpose other than to EXIST. They lock them selves up in an imagineary bubble free of all unnecessary risk, and good for them, I hope it works for them, because in the end we will all end up dead, some sooner than others.I for one, fall into the first group whole heartedly. I was born with a severly deformed right foot and had it amputated at 1 year old. I wear a below knee prosthetic and have since I was 2 years old. Instead of laying around feeling sorry for myself I wanted to push the limits in everything I was a part of. Hockey,skiing,softball and Bull Riding. I competed as a professional bull rider for 7 yrs going to as many as 150 events a year. Some would say that is risking your life...I would say thats LIVING life. Over the years I lost 3 good friends to Bull Riding Injuries. Very sad and very tragic for those around them including family & friends...would any of those guys ask you or want you to be sorry for them individually....NEVER. They knew the risks and that one day thay may pay the ultimate price with their life, and they did. Would they change it if they could do it all over again...knowing these guys...I say no....neither would I. Risks are a part of our world whether you acknowledge it or not. Driving, walking through a park,walking through a rough neighbourhood at night, playing golf in a thunderstorm, smoking,drinking, breathing the air that is so polluted...the list goes on. I don't see how anyone has the right to criticize anothers life choices and call them stupid or careless or brainless. Not one of those fellow sledders that died this year or any other year in avalanches or related accidents would ask you to feel sorry for them or JUDGE them, but they would like you to mind your own buisness and pay some respect to their families and loved ones.Mind your own buisness, live life how you see fit, don't judge others on how they are living theirs and have some respect.

Ride Safe, Play Hard!:beer;


You sir hit the nail on the head. Go get yourself a beer!:beer;
 
just keep in mind that all risks should be calculated. there is never gonna be a memorial that people stop a and mourn your passing. every time you enter the mtns you risk crashing and avys. it is ignorant not to get trained and take 10 minutes out of the day to asses a hill. complacency kills, and years like this there is no margin for error. I hope nobody here has to tell someone that their buddy/bro/dad/hubby is gone....I have and it is horrible, absolutely horrible. go and seek the thrills, but try not to kill your friends doing it.
 
I would agree w/Firecat162 and I'm sure there is the "ultra safe" way to enjoy whatever sport you enjoy, but others will chose to enjoy at different levels of risk. Suicide is one thing and accidents are another we go afield knowing that there are dangers know and unknown. Yes it is a very risky decision to be around the slope when the avy conditions are elevated, if the conditions in the hills are favorable but the roads to get there are not and one decides to go and gets in an accident on the way and someone is killed is the person who decided to drive a "thrill seeker" or "stupid" or was it an event that happened outside ones total control. Many will judge others on the choices they make, even when the conditions are in our favor those of us that sled in the mountains, hunt on public lands, fish in open water from a boat .....etc. are all at risk. I do not leave the house with the intention of widowing my wife or leaving my kids fatherless but snowmobiling is part of what makes me who I am, I enjoy it at the highest level I feel I safely can. Be informed, Be aware, come home to those who love you and live to ride another day! Hope this post does not come across as too "Macho", that's not really how I am, BE SAFE THIS SEASON AND ENJOY YOUR SPORT.
 
Deffinitely an accident. Unless the individual was outright trying to commit suicide ( which is a whole new can of worms) it would be an accident POSSIBLY caused by human PRESENCE. We could use that same scenario in a number of daily activities. Generally speaking driving automobiles on dry summer roads in daylight at the posted speed limit carries lower risk than driving the same stretch of road in winter conditions at night. Agreed?...if we agree....would the person that ventured out in the winter conditions in their vehicle and ran off the road etc...be an accident? they fully knew the conditions were at a hightened level of danger than summer? Would it be classified different if they were going to the store to buy milk for their children as opposed to driving to your buddies for a game of poker? Its hard to know where or IF we can draw a line on an individuals judgement. Thats why we are INDIVIDUALS. I am in no way suggesting that you should be reckless and unprepaired for the environment you are entering, nor am I implying that proper training and equipment should not be used. Im just merely sticking with my OPINION that it is up to the individual to determine if the risk at hand is at an acceptable level to either live with...or die with. That level is going to swing greatly with each person you reason with. And whether or not you understand the others reasoning behind their decision....its their decision. Respect it.:beer;
 
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