Never heard the # 6 melting down, everyone in the family has a 5.9 cummin. However the friends i know with 6.4 have had there truck in the shop not once not twice but more time the i can count on one hand. Some have not had there trucks for months on end. Cant beat the reliability of a cummins.
Towing with a cummins
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I do like the looks of a lifted superduty though.
It can be a common problem in the 5.9 CR Cummins motors that are packin tuners or more
Same can be said of the rod-chuckin 6.7 Cummins. New technology and the major three are all experiencing the same things
Cowboy Steve
Yea I am for sure goin to miss the instant power, but the tq the CTD makes will make up for it. A buddy of mine has one, I am goin to talk him into letting me drive his for a day. That way i can get a good idea of how they drive.
Thats a good idea. Another plus is the cummins gets better mileage than the Hemi does, buddy owned one for a while before he got a super duty. Got terrible mileage, especially towing.
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little_orange_cat
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i would get the dodge and i just towed home a dodge 5.9 on a pretty heavy trailer getting 17mpg with 35" tires i also have a 26ft toy hauler and got 18 mpg towing it for bellingham to washogal wa with no problem.
Another question for you 6.4 heroes...does this "275hp" tune add to the mileage? How are they doing with this tune towing? I ride with a guy on here that recently bought a new 6.4 and is not happy AT ALL with the mileage, im talking 7 with a 4 place enclosed, and his brothers 06 CTD gets around 15 with the same trailer, same hill, same sleds. Note, both are BONE STOCK, so i figure that is a fair comparison, am i wrong? In stock trim, no thanks, ill stick to my inline 6. Now if this new 6.4 can make "500+hp" on a simple programmer($500?), a 4ft? piece of pipe($15?) and a aftermarket intake ($250-$300?), and have no issues: (lets name a few) lack of supply fuel pressure, trans slip, or extreme EGT's? (by the way, does this magic programmer include guages of any sort or are ya just guessing on the egt's?) How about all the egr stuff on the engine? Are these guys still running that? How about head studs or gaskets? I know the 6.0's had that issue. What kind of boost pressure are they seeing?
These are all questions i would like to see answered...honestly.
As far as the #6 meltdown on the 5.9.....example: take 1 CTD + tuner/chip + leadfoot + lack of common sense= meltdown. IMO if half of the people that are melting #6 (and apparently there is a lot), actually watched their guages and employed the use of common sense, they wouldnt have this issue. I've only seen a couple of these, and they were all caused by a big chip, no guages, stock turbo, and a leadfoot that didnt understand what all was happening within the engine when they kept their foot in it.
This can be applied to about anything, but common sense goes a long ways.
I love my 5.9 and wouldnt trade it for anything. But i do like to see the power that other diesels can make. There is just a few too many things that dont make sense to me on this 6.4. If this is for real and with just those simple mods you have 500+hp, then good for Ford, they finally stepped up.
One more thing....take a look at the heavy duty diesel market: 99% of the big diesels are inline 6, how many succesful V-configuration diesels are there (other than the 2 stroke detroits)?
I rest my case.....
These are all questions i would like to see answered...honestly.
As far as the #6 meltdown on the 5.9.....example: take 1 CTD + tuner/chip + leadfoot + lack of common sense= meltdown. IMO if half of the people that are melting #6 (and apparently there is a lot), actually watched their guages and employed the use of common sense, they wouldnt have this issue. I've only seen a couple of these, and they were all caused by a big chip, no guages, stock turbo, and a leadfoot that didnt understand what all was happening within the engine when they kept their foot in it.
This can be applied to about anything, but common sense goes a long ways.
I love my 5.9 and wouldnt trade it for anything. But i do like to see the power that other diesels can make. There is just a few too many things that dont make sense to me on this 6.4. If this is for real and with just those simple mods you have 500+hp, then good for Ford, they finally stepped up.
One more thing....take a look at the heavy duty diesel market: 99% of the big diesels are inline 6, how many succesful V-configuration diesels are there (other than the 2 stroke detroits)?
I rest my case.....
I agree with you himarker. The buddies i knows with 6.4 get 7 mpg thats it, cant even strech 8. Every 6.4 i have seen with 500+ also have injectors.... I dont think just a chip,intake and exhuast get you 500+. They dont tell you they have 150hp+ injectors, upgaded turbos and lift pumps (stock one will only pump enough fuel to hammer it on a dyno then you have to let off) and so on.
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im pretty sure they havent made any aftermarket turbos or injectors for them yet..
edit - nvm, i guess that elite diesel place has some.
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Torque is what matters in a diesel. And like himarker says an inline diesel is the best way to do that. The powerstroke and duramax engines are great light duty diesels, but thats all. The cummins is a medium duty engine. I farm, and there is not one piece of equipment on the place, wether it's a semi truck, or a large frame fourwheel drive tractor that uses a V8 diesel. They all use an inline six configuration for the torgue. In fact we even have two smaller tractors and two swathers that use the 5.9 cummins. These machines run 12 hours a day at full throttle under heavy loads, very demanding conditions. You cannot get that kind of dependability from the light duty V8 configuration.
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Yep, Elite has them but last time I talked with the owner they hadn't sold any turbo's or nozzle upgrades as of then. Not enough fuel for the cause. I know of three companies working on dual HPFP setups right now.
Cowboy Steve
I can find stage 1-3 injectors, and two stages of turbos for the primary and secondary for the 6.4 and guys say they are already running them and having problems bending rods due to the extra boost they are pulling.
From who and where?
FYI- on a CR system, you don't replace injectors, you replace nozzles.
Cowboy Steve
Decembers issue of dieselpower mag, and on diesel bombers. Just what I read.
It sounds like international is done building the 6.4 for ford in july of this year anyway, so who cares. Motor only lasted what three model years?
I'd try and have a better source of info then that. Not your fault, they are just plain casual with the truth. FYI-most anybody whose is tuning or wrenching on their Powerstroke is a part of Powerstrokenation.com, and if not that site then atleast one of the many others I frequent. Regardless, I follow very closely on whose doin what with these new motors, and to say the least, I would lean on calling BS to anyone who says they are bending rods. There is not enough fuel to support that kind of power at this point. A drop in charger or a new set of upgraded nozzles truely serves no purpose until the dual fueler kit comes out for the 6.4.
FYIx2-Anything being offered as far as nozzle upgrades or turbo upgrades, at this point, is only coming from Elite. Liek I had said earlier.
Cowboy Steve
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Right on. You seem to know your fords inside and out. Thanks for the good info.
