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Toms Powder Wedge

So the approach will only be shallower from the rail tip to the back of rail curve and the rest from rail tip to drivers will actuall be steeper as it is being forced down. Do I understand this correctly? Not trying to bash the product, just trying to understand how well it could actually work and be worth $100.

Can't get any closer to the drivers with the rail tips or they will hit when the susp compresses....but the closer the better from what I have seen in the past.
I'm sure it's not going to be some huge night/day difference but I'm sure it will be a + in the deep.
 
Okay, I'll bite.

Got a 2013 XM 146 this year and took it out for the first real good snow (stuckfest). Just like most years with a fluffy dump all at once everyone and thier mother were stuck all day long. The sled seemed like it wanted to trench worse than some of the other sleds we were pulling on all day.

Now here's where the information gets fuzzy. The snow conditions change by the hour and by the square foot while you are riding sometimes.

The next day we went back to same place and had argueably very similar new fluffy snow. This day I had Toms Wedges installed (call it coincidence AND I've been stuck after this but...) That XM gets down and dirty in the deep!! I rode for the next 4 days and was not easy on it. I tried to ride agressively and pick greedy arogant lines to test the ability of this sled. It exceeded my expectations and impressed fellow riders.

Having said this, did Toms wedge make the XM what it is? Who knows because of variables in conditions but I do know the wedges definately didnt hurt performance and quite possibly helped out significantly. After installing the wedges I didnt feel like the sled wanted to trench, it just wanted to go.

Thats all I've got, hope it helps.
 
Ok some one needs to take tools out on a deep day and do a few runs without the wedges and then slap them on and do the same type of runs on the same day to get a good test in.

These only might do anything in deep powder conditions, anything else is a wash...right?
 
FYI winterbrew is the freaking ninja zen master of the cheap mod. He won't let me spend any money in his shop unless there is real pay value. Little stuff that makes the sled better but doesn't cost much is his focus. One of the best people I have met in sled world. Now to the guys who think $100 is an expensive mod on a $12,000 sled I don't know what to tell you...

I did not say it was expensive was just asking about the prouct and if it was worth the $100. P.S. I have 2 $12000 sleds that I then put another $1500 a piece into so the $100 to me was more of does it make enough difference to make it worth it. I do not even ride doo anymore, but I like to help out some of my friends with tips I learn on here to help them out. And for some it is a stretch just to buy a $12000 toy to start with so a $100 may be alot if it does not work. I think we have all been there before with shelling out good money on the next best thing that really does not work. I know Tom puts out good products and Brew will give an honest unbiased opinion. Until he and some others do I will not spend someone elses money. I was simply trying to get info and not complaining about price.
 
Anyone running Toms ski bushing kit along with the Powder wedges? That is the next mod I was going to install.
 
Interesting...I'll be watching this thread. More laborious steering would definitely turn me off, otherwise sounds like a great idea.

Well the ski bushing kit says it centers the ski on the spindle for less steering pressure so if you install that with the Powder Wedge steering should be the same as it was originally with less trenching. :thumb:
 
Well the ski bushing kit says it centers the ski on the spindle for less steering pressure so if you install that with the Powder Wedge steering should be the same as it was originally with less trenching. :thumb:

That's what I'm hoping for!
 
First ride on the wedges....I don't see anything negative with them. I can hear the track clips on them on deceleration but otherwise the steering pressure seems uneffected. Not sure why anyone would think they would increase ski pressure without trying them first. I didn't find that to be the case at all, we rode everything frow groomed road to thigh deep, a lot of hills, gullies and tight technical trees.
As for how they work to get the sled "on top", that is something that is obviously very tough to measure. I have several rides in the deep on my sled and have a good feel for it. There were several occasions with the wedges that I though for sure I was going to be digging and it just kept going....slow, fairly steep through trees where you had to be in/out of the throttle and several other XP's and XM's did not make it even in the track. Maybe it was just luck on my part but I was VERY impressed with the combination of the XM and Toms wedges. The XM without them is impressive....the wedges I do believe give it a advantage in the conditions they are designed for...the concept makes sense, it was one of those "why didn't I think of that" things when I first saw them. They will be staying on my sled and I won't hesitate to send people to Toms for a set...we are not a Toms distributor at this time.
 
Mine should be here this week!

Can't say enough good things about Tom and the whole CREW at Toms Snowmobile shop. Nothing but quality coming out of his workshop. Not to mention everything is mountain tested before it hits the market.


link to order the PW's

http://www.shoptomssnowmobile.com/Powder-Wedge-detail.htm?productId=-410625&catalogId=-844&fpg=1

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Rode this weekend with mine on I think they make a difference but it isn't major. Like winter brew said sometimes think that the sled is going to get stuck but it keeps on going. On one hill today I was sidehilling and got kicked uphill and on my side by a hidden bump. The slope was fairly steep I got the sled level backed up and went straight up it with having a 3 foot run before the powder that impressed me. For the 100 bucks I think it was money well spent the concept of them makes sense to me.
 
Got my wedges installed. Havent tried them yet.
How do I set the track tension? Some on here are saying it needs to be a little tighter than normal. Got my Xp loose with no problems.
 
When the drivers turn the track, the pressure of the snow/traction will push all the slack to this area of the skid.....so the track will be tight to the rail profile when you are creeping through the deep. This teardrop piece from Toms fills this in so the approach will be shallower. The M-Cats had a very shallow approach and get around real good, as did the '08-'09 XP's before they went to the steeper rail tip.

Mine should be here this week!

Can't say enough good things about Tom and the whole CREW at Toms Snowmobile shop. Nothing but quality coming out of his workshop. Not to mention everything is mountain tested before it hits the market.


link to order the PW's

http://www.shoptomssnowmobile.com/Powder-Wedge-detail.htm?productId=-410625&catalogId=-844&fpg=1

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So what would they do to an 09 XP? Would they force the skis down harder or what? Personally, I want less ski pressure, I like putting the skis in the air and I love climbing stuff track only.
 
So what would they do to an 09 XP? Would they force the skis down harder or what? Personally, I want less ski pressure, I like putting the skis in the air and I love climbing stuff track only.

The powder wedges are for the 10-13 rails. The 08-09 rails have a flatter rail tip design.
 
So what would they do to an 09 XP? Would they force the skis down harder or what? Personally, I want less ski pressure, I like putting the skis in the air and I love climbing stuff track only.

Let out your limiter strap all the way if you like go wheelie around. And for the record I've had the powder wedges on for almost 400 miles and there is no more ski pressure than before I put them on. I just keep on going up and around through the powder more than those without them.

As far as putting the wedges on your 09 they should make the approach angle even better for powder.
 
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