Today was a BIG step in the right direction!!!

[Mafesto]

Montana is not a right to work state. When I was hired, I had the option to join the union or not. The non union and the union employees at my company earn the same wage and benefits for the same job level.

All unions aren't evil. In Montana the craft unions are absolutely needed. These unions give benefits to these craftsmen and put them in the jobs when needed. Many of these jobs are a week or two here and there, working for many different companies in a year. These unions are beneficial to the companies and the craftsmen, keeping projects manned and men employed.

That being said, if you aren't performing up to par, you will be laid off or fired and they will call the next guy on the list that will gladly perform.

Don't you think the reason your union is a GOOD example of unions,
and Mich. UAW is a BAD example of unions is due (at least in part) to manditory vs voluntary membership?

Unions should have to earn your dollars, and if you are forced to join them they do not have to earn your dollars....they take your dollars.

 

[Stuck]

Don't you think the reason your union is a GOOD example of unions,
and Mich. UAW is a BAD example of unions is due (at least in part) to manditory vs voluntary membership?

Unions should have to earn your dollars, and if you are forced to join them they do not have to earn your dollars....they take your dollars.

Absolutely, and the bad unions are the only ones that should have to suffer, but I have a feeling all unions will be adversely impacted by right to work.

 

[Mafesto]

Absolutely, and the bad unions are the only ones that should have to suffer, but I have a feeling all unions will be adversely impacted by right to work.

Don't blame "Right to Work", blame the bad unions.
They brought this on themselves.

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

Right to work, why its bad

Don't blame "Right to Work", blame the bad unions.
They brought this on themselves.

My cousin is a X-ray tech in SD

He has been with the same hospital for 7 years.

Recently they hired several new X-ray techs whom are at a lower
skill/qualification then my cousin.

After talking to these new lower classed techs he discovered that
theyre hourly wage was higher than his. He was at like $23 and
they were at $27.

He talked to payroll/administration, turns out he never got his schedualed pay raises. They agreed
to raise his wage up to $27(same as the lower skilled techs), but they WILL NOTgive him the back pay
he deserves. Figured out they owe him $30k in back pay.

He talked to the SD labor board, they basically said that since he makes more than minimum
wage they will not help him. Basically the only thing he could do is
get a lawyer & sue but then he would most certainly lose his job.

This is why "Right to Work" is bad, if he was union there would have
no problem.

 

[Mafesto]

Everywhere I've ever worked, pay increases were based on merit and the financial condition of the company.

Swapping out calendars does not constitute across the board pay increases. That;s a good example of union mentality.

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

Everywhere I've ever worked, pay increases were based on merit and the financial condition of the company.

Swapping out calendars does not constitute across the board pay increases. That;s a good example of union mentality.

The overall point is that Right to Work gives employees no power
against a corrupt business/boss, union mentality has nothing to
do with it. And yes calendars matter, since its an agreed upon
waige increase.

 

[Mafesto]

This is where we agree to disagree.
We will not sway each others opinion at this point.


It's all good!

 

[ruffryder]

The overall point is that Right to Work gives employees no power
against a corrupt business/boss, union mentality has nothing to
do with it. And yes calendars matter, since its an agreed upon
waige increase.

You always have a right to leave. If you have gotten yourself in a situation where you are not able to leave / move to another location for a job, you have screwed up and have become dependent on that job and that employer for your well being.

 

[Mafesto]

You always have a right to leave. If you have gotten yourself in a situation where you are not able to leave / move to another location for a job, you have screwed up and have become dependent on that job and that employer for your well being.

Ruffy,

How in the hell can you be so wrong in one thread, and then so right in this one?

 

[ruffryder]

Ruffy,

How in the hell can you be so wrong in one thread, and then so right in this one?

Check your premise!


And name the book.....

 

[Stuck]

Don't blame "Right to Work", blame the bad unions.
They brought this on themselves.

I am not blaming right to work, and its no secret that bad unions are to blame. I am just saying the good unions shouldn't have to suffer because of what the bad ones do.

 

[ruffryder]

Check your premise!


And name the book.....

Mafesto, couldn't guess the book?