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Survival in the Mountains

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Calvin42

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Reading through some of these threads over the years, I always read how some one has spent the night in the mountains. Well, this year I thought I would pass on some information I learned over the years that could be helpful to a fellow stranded sledder. Let me just say I'm not doing this to insult anyones intelligence, it's just because there seems to be more and more people heading out West to ride and they don't always realize what their in for. I've had the opportunity to attend several government survival schools and have learned a great deal about survival from the Arctic to desert and everything in between, so bear with me. Additionally, if there is anyone else out there with an experience they think could help another sledder please chime in.

First of all, as with any survival situation, keep your head. Alot of times the situation is only as dire as you make it, and armed with the right information you can make a bad situation at least comfortable. Second, have the proper gear. Trust me, I've gone out thinking I don't need all this stuff I'm only going for a short ride and end up thinking I've just put myself in a survival situation.

Shelter;
First thing to do is make sure you have shelter. One of the first things that comes to mind are snow caves. They work great if there is enough snow, if not there are other alternatives. Typically if your in the mountains there are lots of pine trees. Pine trees and pine bows make great shelters. One thing you must do is stay dry, and the best way to do that is get off the snow. By cutting pine bows off trees you have a way of insulating yourself from the snow. Whether your using a snow cave or building a shelter simply lay the pine bows on the snow and lie or sit on top of them. Pines bows work well in making lean to's as well. It's always a good idea to have some type of rope or cord to tie them together. Helps keep the snow off your head as well and also makes a good wind break.

Next is fire. Having a fire is not only needed to keep you warm it is also has a positive phycological affect on a person. I know, I know, some people think that is corny but I'm here to tell you it is absolutely true. Obviously a fire provides light, keeps you warm, provides a way to melt snow so you have drinking water, but it also helps rescue people find you. During the day if you put green pine bows on the fire it creates a great deal of smoke thus helping searchers locate you. At night the effects are obvious. Probably the easiest is to use gas, however there are other ways that are safer. Simply put some vaseline on cotton balls and put in a ziplock bag. Their light, easy, and work GREAT for making fires. Need a lighter or firestarter/striker to light them. There is generally plenty of dry wood to burn. If not, use moss, it works great.

Next; don't leave your sled. Many searchers ask what type of sled was the person riding. As a former search and rescue helicopter guy that is one of the first things we look for. If your not by it or in an open area were people can see you it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack. Make yourself visible.

Last, but certainly the most important is the right gear. Here's my list.

- Space blanket; their light and provide some warmth.
- Cotton balls with vaseline and a butane lighter or the little fire starter packets from Walmart to start fire.
- Knife; obvious multiple uses.
- Saw; you need something to cut firewood and build a shelter. Alot of the survival shovels that everyone carries has a built in saw, however the're not very durable.
-Shovel; to build snowcave
-Compass or GPS; if you have to travel, you will walk in circles if your not familar with the area and don't have one of these tools.
-Rope; will help with building shelter
-High energy food bars; the cold and working to stay alive require alot energy. Now is not the time to start a diet.
-Water or some type of drink; Altitude makes you dehydrated alot quicker and will cause you to become dilerious and disoriented. Conserve sweat not water.
-Extra gloves, knit cap, and socks; It's easy to get wet, and wet clothes rob your body of heat. Start a fire, get out of wet clothes and stay dry.
-Small flashlight, perferably one that has a hand crank to recharge. If not, carry a battery operated one but carry spare batteries.

Obviously I could go on about different situations and other types of things to pack in a survival kit but the thing to remember is be prepared. Don't take for granted it won't happen to you. Like a mention above. If someone else has other suggestions please chime in.
 
Landing Pad

Four of us spent the night in Valemont area a few years ago,every thing went well. Prepared a landing pad for the chopper cleared all the trees and small brush but did no pack the pad,when the chopper came he spent a lot of time tamping the deep snow with the pads on his landing gear.Next time would use a sled or feet to pack pad.

Have a safe WINTER!
 
good post. I have spent the night once and almost got stuck in carrot basin a couple weeks ago, both due to NO visablity (blizzard conditions in open riding areas)

1) The biggest thing is stay together. Don't let anyone run off go everywhere in a group. Alot of times what happens is one guy will stray off trying to find the way out. DON'T do this..In no visability it only takes seconds or very small disatances to get seperated.

2) If you get to a point where you know you are not going to make it out find a group of trees and starting building a shelter and get fire going. If it's still day light, gather as much wood as possible before night.

3) Don't leave until Clear! We make this mistake when we spent the night years ago. Had a shelter and nice fire going. The snow let up for about 20 minutes so we decided to make a run for it....we got someways from the fire and had just enough time to figure out which direction to go when it got socked back in...we barely made it back to the fire....(fresh snow, carbs icing, dusk..etc)

If you have a nice fire and a shelter you can stay very comfortable. We spent 16hours there (4pm - 8am) and none of us got cold. At 8am the next day is cleared off and sun came out and we had over 3' of fresh snow and were in the middle of the riding:) At this time we could see land marks and started making our way out....shortly after leaving the fire we seen some other family and search and rescue that had unloaded at 4am and came up the trail and waited at the trail head till daylight before going out into the open.

Last - Make sure someone knows where you are going. NOt just the area...the exact spot you are unloading...Many people change their mind after leaving the house...send a text or leave a voicemail. SOmeone has to know where your at incase they need to come look for you.
 
- Space blanket; their light and provide some warmth. Got it, along with a poncho
- Cotton balls with vaseline and a butane lighter or the little fire starter packets from Walmart to start fire.got it, along with dryer lint, and a small 10x10 sheet of foil for making a bowl for the start of the fire
- Knife; obvious multiple uses. got 2 leathermans
- Saw; you need something to cut firewood and build a shelter. Alot of the survival shovels that everyone carries has a built in saw, however the're not very durable.got one actual saw
-Shovel; to build snowcave the one thing i don't have
-Compass or GPS; if you have to travel, you will walk in circles if your not familar with the area and don't have one of these tools.have compass and a map
-Rope; will help with building shelter have about 40 feet of it
-High energy food bars; the cold and working to stay alive require alot energy. Now is not the time to start a diet. candybars and whatnot
-Water or some type of drink; Altitude makes you dehydrated alot quicker and will cause you to become dilerious and disoriented. Conserve sweat not water.water and gatorade normally
-Extra gloves, knit cap, and socks; It's easy to get wet, and wet clothes rob your body of heat. Start a fire, get out of wet clothes and stay dry.have it
-Small flashlight, perferably one that has a hand crank to recharge. If not, carry a battery operated one but carry spare batteries. have a small maglite with an LED kit installed on it, but do not carry other batteries


i feel that i could survive a night or 3 out in the hills. i carry all of this in a backpack that i rarely take off. i don't think you mentioned it in your list, but firestarter (flint, magnesium, waterproof matches) would be a swell addition. also, a whistle, and a mirror to possibly signal planes flying over you.
 
- Space blanket; their light and provide some warmth. Got it, along with a poncho
- Cotton balls with vaseline and a butane lighter or the little fire starter packets from Walmart to start fire.got it, along with dryer lint, and a small 10x10 sheet of foil for making a bowl for the start of the fire
- Knife; obvious multiple uses. got 2 leathermans
- Saw; you need something to cut firewood and build a shelter. Alot of the survival shovels that everyone carries has a built in saw, however the're not very durable.got one actual saw
-Shovel; to build snowcave the one thing i don't have
-Compass or GPS; if you have to travel, you will walk in circles if your not familar with the area and don't have one of these tools.have compass and a map
-Rope; will help with building shelter have about 40 feet of it
-High energy food bars; the cold and working to stay alive require alot energy. Now is not the time to start a diet. candybars and whatnot
-Water or some type of drink; Altitude makes you dehydrated alot quicker and will cause you to become dilerious and disoriented. Conserve sweat not water.water and gatorade normally
-Extra gloves, knit cap, and socks; It's easy to get wet, and wet clothes rob your body of heat. Start a fire, get out of wet clothes and stay dry.have it
-Small flashlight, perferably one that has a hand crank to recharge. If not, carry a battery operated one but carry spare batteries. have a small maglite with an LED kit installed on it, but do not carry other batteries


i feel that i could survive a night or 3 out in the hills. i carry all of this in a backpack that i rarely take off. i don't think you mentioned it in your list, but firestarter (flint, magnesium, waterproof matches) would be a swell addition. also, a whistle, and a mirror to possibly signal planes flying over you.


Mirror and whistle; great point. Mirror can signal aircraft in excess of 10 miles and whistle can be heard at far greater distances than a screaming human voice.
 
Survival

I would also add a small first Aid Kit to this list. Never know when someone breaks an arm or leg and if it's late in the day and a chopper can't get in, you may have to over night it.
Good List
 
I would like to hear more about the stay. What did you do for the time, how big was the shelter etc. What about after the shelter and fire. What does one face at 11 at night in the middle of nowhere with 1 or 2 people?
 
One thing that should go without saying but gets overlooked sometimes (Not insulting anyone's intelligence) is
KNOWLEDGE!
Read up on how to build a shelter or make fire with no matches/lighter.
Its always good to do some of the things you hear about like building a shelter, starting fire with nothing, finding some stuff to eat...etc.
To actually do it when you dont have to so you are better prepared if it happens for real. Its harder than it seems.
I have been through some survival courses from the government and its amazing how many people talk poop before the course and when it gets down to performing tasks they stand there confused with two sticks in their hands like "what do i do next?"

So go out on your back 40 or someone elses and practice what you "know".
To me its the same as beacon practice.
Just something to think about. All that junk in your pack means nothing if you dont know how to use it.
 
survival

Reading through some of these threads over the years, I always read how some one has spent the night in the mountains. Well, this year I thought I would pass on some information I learned over the years that could be helpful to a fellow stranded sledder. Let me just say I'm not doing this to insult anyones intelligence, it's just because there seems to be more and more people heading out West to ride and they don't always realize what their in for. I've had the opportunity to attend several government survival schools and have learned a great deal about survival from the Arctic to desert and everything in between, so bear with me. Additionally, if there is anyone else out there with an experience they think could help another sledder please chime in.

First of all, as with any survival situation, keep your head. Alot of times the situation is only as dire as you make it, and armed with the right information you can make a bad situation at least comfortable. Second, have the proper gear. Trust me, I've gone out thinking I don't need all this stuff I'm only going for a short ride and end up thinking I've just put myself in a survival situation.

Shelter;
First thing to do is make sure you have shelter. One of the first things that comes to mind are snow caves. They work great if there is enough snow, if not there are other alternatives. Typically if your in the mountains there are lots of pine trees. Pine trees and pine bows make great shelters. One thing you must do is stay dry, and the best way to do that is get off the snow. By cutting pine bows off trees you have a way of insulating yourself from the snow. Whether your using a snow cave or building a shelter simply lay the pine bows on the snow and lie or sit on top of them. Pines bows work well in making lean to's as well. It's always a good idea to have some type of rope or cord to tie them together. Helps keep the snow off your head as well and also makes a good wind break.

Next is fire. Having a fire is not only needed to keep you warm it is also has a positive phycological affect on a person. I know, I know, some people think that is corny but I'm here to tell you it is absolutely true. Obviously a fire provides light, keeps you warm, provides a way to melt snow so you have drinking water, but it also helps rescue people find you. During the day if you put green pine bows on the fire it creates a great deal of smoke thus helping searchers locate you. At night the effects are obvious. Probably the easiest is to use gas, however there are other ways that are safer. Simply put some vaseline on cotton balls and put in a ziplock bag. Their light, easy, and work GREAT for making fires. Need a lighter or firestarter/striker to light them. There is generally plenty of dry wood to burn. If not, use moss, it works great.

Next; don't leave your sled. Many searchers ask what type of sled was the person riding. As a former search and rescue helicopter guy that is one of the first things we look for. If your not by it or in an open area were people can see you it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack. Make yourself visible.

Last, but certainly the most important is the right gear. Here's my list.

- Space blanket; their light and provide some warmth.
- Cotton balls with vaseline and a butane lighter or the little fire starter packets from Walmart to start fire.
- Knife; obvious multiple uses.
- Saw; you need something to cut firewood and build a shelter. Alot of the survival shovels that everyone carries has a built in saw, however the're not very durable.
-Shovel; to build snowcave
-Compass or GPS; if you have to travel, you will walk in circles if your not familar with the area and don't have one of these tools.
-Rope; will help with building shelter
-High energy food bars; the cold and working to stay alive require alot energy. Now is not the time to start a diet.
-Water or some type of drink; Altitude makes you dehydrated alot quicker and will cause you to become dilerious and disoriented. Conserve sweat not water.
-Extra gloves, knit cap, and socks; It's easy to get wet, and wet clothes rob your body of heat. Start a fire, get out of wet clothes and stay dry.
-Small flashlight, perferably one that has a hand crank to recharge. If not, carry a battery operated one but carry spare batteries.

Obviously I could go on about different situations and other types of things to pack in a survival kit but the thing to remember is be prepared. Don't take for granted it won't happen to you. Like a mention above. If someone else has other suggestions please chime in.

great thread CALVIN . I have stayed the night in colorado [cumbres] and I was not prepared and it SUCKED . hopefully we all think and take this advice . again thanks for the ideas.
 
a tampon can be a lifesaver. use it to absorb fuel from the tank....gas or oil and just add spark.

when choosing your shelter location keep in mind that open ridges tend to be windy, valley floors tend to be quite cold. if you can make your camp 1/3rd of the way up a hill or so you will likely encounter the best case scenario for temps.

always be cognicent of slide areas. if you are in a strip that looks like a slide.....it prolly is.

I carry a small butane stove that nests in a cup.....the whole show w/coffee and cocoa and a mountain house meal is less then 1 pound.

a flare is a great addition, for many reasons
 
All very good and insightful. Something that I have experienced and it's simple. Remember to look up when building your fire. You can spend a lot of time preparing your area and fire then when things heat up, the snow on the branches above will start to melt, drip, fall. Worst case large amounts come down and put your fire out.
 
I would like to hear more about the stay. What did you do for the time, how big was the shelter etc. What about after the shelter and fire. What does one face at 11 at night in the middle of nowhere with 1 or 2 people?

We sat, tried to sleep, and then keep busy and moving...getting wood, adding more to the fire, we had to keep digging the snow out as the fire burned down. We all had water and snacks and food, so if worse came to worse we knew we could hunker down for quite awhile. THe best thing is we all had proper gear, a warm fire, and no one was hurt. We new search and rescue plus anyone our family could round up would be there at daybreak to search.

The shelter we just built up pine branches between two larger trees to shelter us from the wind.

We decided during the night that we would NOT leave until it was clear and you could see...bottom line. It was quite a bummer when day broke and it was snowing just as hard and when the sun when down..but it was amazing within an hour of daybreak the wind quit, the sun came out and it turned into a blue bird day with 3+ feet of new snow everywhere. When then could see the direction we needed to go and started our way out, stopping on high points and shuting sleds off and listening. Shortly after I could hear the sound of my dad triple XLT.. Triple's always sounded cool but hearing that XLT that morning was the best...

We were not lost per say just could not see to get out (all open country) one we could see we could see the landmark (black butte) of were the trail head was. If you are completly lost and have no idea what direction to go it may be best just to wait for search and rescue to find you...not sure..

THis was back in 94, so no pics...I sure wish I would have some pics...and experience I will never forget.

a tampon can be a lifesaver. use it to absorb fuel from the tank....gas or oil and just add spark

Never thought of that we used TP that day. Tampons will be in my backpack next trip:)
 
We sat, tried to sleep, and then keep busy and moving...getting wood, adding more to the fire, we had to keep digging the snow out as the fire burned down. We all had water and snacks and food, so if worse came to worse we knew we could hunker down for quite awhile. THe best thing is we all had proper gear, a warm fire, and no one was hurt. We new search and rescue plus anyone our family could round up would be there at daybreak to search.

The shelter we just built up pine branches between two larger trees to shelter us from the wind.

We decided during the night that we would NOT leave until it was clear and you could see...bottom line. It was quite a bummer when day broke and it was snowing just as hard and when the sun when down..but it was amazing within an hour of daybreak the wind quit, the sun came out and it turned into a blue bird day with 3+ feet of new snow everywhere. When then could see the direction we needed to go and started our way out, stopping on high points and shuting sleds off and listening. Shortly after I could hear the sound of my dad triple XLT.. Triple's always sounded cool but hearing that XLT that morning was the best...

We were not lost per say just could not see to get out (all open country) one we could see we could see the landmark (black butte) of were the trail head was. If you are completly lost and have no idea what direction to go it may be best just to wait for search and rescue to find you...not sure..

THis was back in 94, so no pics...I sure wish I would have some pics...and experience I will never forget.



Never thought of that we used TP that day. Tampons will be in my backpack next trip:)


Interesting, My simple little snow falling off the trees to put out the fire example came from the same neighborhood ( Black Butte) across the street in Divide. The darkness can play with your mind, especially with some wind so the shelter between the trees is a good idea.
 
Coffee singles. Hmmm, coffee when it's cold. A small pot to boil water, coffee, chicken bouyan cubes.

Here's a question. We've started fires on the snow. Never seems to work right. The snow below the fire steams the fire, and deems it. I've heard about pine boughs for the base, but that only lasts so long. Did you dig all the way down to the ground, or rock?
 
I've tried to dig down as far as possible and also stamped down the snow around a fairly sizeable area so when it does sink its close to ground. Also, if you can find some rocks, set those down and light it on top of those after everything is stomped down and flat. If you can get a big enough fire going the snow disappears fast and before you know it, it will be at ground. I've not built fires in 6, 7, 8 feet of snow though, only up to about 5'.
 
Coffee singles. Hmmm, coffee when it's cold. A small pot to boil water, coffee, chicken bouyan cubes.

Here's a question. We've started fires on the snow. Never seems to work right. The snow below the fire steams the fire, and deems it. I've heard about pine boughs for the base, but that only lasts so long. Did you dig all the way down to the ground, or rock?

Hmmm, we never had any issues. just built it on top of the snow. This was in spring,,,,March 26th to be exact. I remember becuase it was my sisters birthday. We were suppose to be home early....Was a beautiful spring day and in minutes a massive storm came in....we were way way back, an seen it coming on the horizon about 2pm, and started our way out but got caught in one of the worst snow storms I have seen.

Back to the fire....we just kept digging out around it so it could breath...After the full night we had a pit that was down close to 6' deep and still now ground. We gathered a TON of wood and had a pretty big fire burning the entire time. All things being considered it was quite cozy. There was a total of 3 of us so coversation made it nice. Being alone (if you had gotten split up) would be quite a different story. We had water/snacks and a fire. Plus two running sleds.

One of them had the primary that stuck open when were out trying to find our way out when we left the fire. We didn't even mess with it just left it. So it was getting dark, my brother was riding double on his storm and my xlt had carbs that were icing up, both low on gas and we were out in the open trying to find trees or make our way back to the fire. THe dumbest thing we did by far was leave the fire and try and find our way out. It was too close to dark and the weather only lifted for a short period of time. Trying to get back to the fire was definatly the scariest part of the entire day/night. I remeber just asking myself over and over again....why did we leave?

The sled we left over night was just a bump in the snow the next day...LOL.. We were heading in the correct direction also, but it all open riding and when you can't see you have no landmarks and there are also all kinds of wind drifts and blow holes that would get yourself into trouble.

THis was in Montana, just outside of Ennis, MT. The centinnials or referred to as "the Ruby"
 
I have actually thought about going on an overnighter with just what I have on a normal sled ride to see how I would fair. Maybe I'll get a group of buddies to go in on it this year. I have most of that stuff and some other stuff. Need to check my supplies for their freshness and what not as I havent done it in a few years.
Another thing thats is a good idea is some nice thick socks and big thick pair of mittens to help keep warm while just sitting around, most people dont have them because they dont use them while riding but our thin stuff doesnt cut it unless your working hard riding and what not.
 
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Hmmm, we never had any issues. just built it on top of the snow. This was in spring,,,,March 26th to be exact. I remember becuase it was my sisters birthday. We were suppose to be home early....Was a beautiful spring day and in minutes a massive storm came in....we were way way back, an seen it coming on the horizon about 2pm, and started our way out but got caught in one of the worst snow storms I have seen.

Back to the fire....we just kept digging out around it so it could breath...After the full night we had a pit that was down close to 6' deep and still now ground. We gathered a TON of wood and had a pretty big fire burning the entire time. All things being considered it was quite cozy. There was a total of 3 of us so coversation made it nice. Being alone (if you had gotten split up) would be quite a different story. We had water/snacks and a fire. Plus two running sleds.

One of them had the primary that stuck open when were out trying to find our way out when we left the fire. We didn't even mess with it just left it. So it was getting dark, my brother was riding double on his storm and my xlt had carbs that were icing up, both low on gas and we were out in the open trying to find trees or make our way back to the fire. THe dumbest thing we did by far was leave the fire and try and find our way out. It was too close to dark and the weather only lifted for a short period of time. Trying to get back to the fire was definatly the scariest part of the entire day/night. I remeber just asking myself over and over again....why did we leave?

The sled we left over night was just a bump in the snow the next day...LOL.. We were heading in the correct direction also, but it all open riding and when you can't see you have no landmarks and there are also all kinds of wind drifts and blow holes that would get yourself into trouble.

THis was in Montana, just outside of Ennis, MT. The centinnials or referred to as "the Ruby"


I've been up there a lot. Never riding though. Got there there through Alder though and ended up across the valley in the Gravelly Range at Divide Crick-hunting.
 
I've been up there a lot. Never riding though. Got there there through Alder though and ended up across the valley in the Gravelly Range at Divide Crick-hunting.

Yep way back from the Gravelly range is where we were at. The trail head comes in there by the Black Butte Cabin. Then Black Butte Rock (mountain) is there. Black Butte is your only really landmark on how to get out. And in a snowstorm you cannot see it so you can get twisted up really quick.
 
I've got some pictures of Black Butte from across the valley from-I think its called Stone house Mtn. They are at sun up with the sun coming up the back side of Black Butte. Pretty nice place but like you said if it starts to get socked in, there can be trouble. Best to stay put for a bit.
 
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