Standalone ECU

[standup06]

Ive been talking to a few people about the new standalone ecu on the market. Seems like a very interesting piece.

However why do you have to run a FPR with it? You guys brag it up and says its so great but still need a FPR, I call it BS. You guys need to stop flooding the forums with your ridiculous post and get some miles on these things, we dont give a blank about what your dyno says, I want to see this thing bashing through the trees, no open hills where you just holding it WOT, and lets see some videos from startup to WOT, most people post these videos and never let the sleds get below clutch engagement because they are rich and burbley.

I think you need alot more time and some better tuners if your going to sell this expensive piece and still make the end user add a FPR, what a clutter of sh##. Iam sticking with the piggy backs for now.

I cant wait to hear the whinning post from you know who.

Come on boys lets hear the excuses.

 

[gunnerthesnowman]

Ive been talking to a few people about the new standalone ecu on the market. Seems like a very interesting piece.

However why do you have to run a FPR with it? You guys brag it up and says its so great but still need a FPR, I call it BS. You guys need to stop flooding the forums with your ridiculous post and get some miles on these things, we dont give a blank about what your dyno says, I want to see this thing bashing through the trees, no open hills where you just holding it WOT, and lets see some videos from startup to WOT, most people post these videos and never let the sleds get below clutch engagement because they are rich and burbley.

I think you need alot more time and some better tuners if your going to sell this expensive piece and still make the end user add a FPR, what a clutter of sh##. Iam sticking with the piggy backs for now.

I cant wait to hear the whinning post from you know who.

Come on boys lets hear the excuses.

Me stupid , whats a FPR ??

 

[Jonce]

Me stupid , whats a FPR ??

FPR = Fuel Pressure Regulator

 

[Cody Phillips Racing]

Ive been talking to a few people about the new standalone ecu on the market. Seems like a very interesting piece.

However why do you have to run a FPR with it? You guys brag it up and says its so great but still need a FPR, I call it BS. You guys need to stop flooding the forums with your ridiculous post and get some miles on these things, we dont give a blank about what your dyno says, I want to see this thing bashing through the trees, no open hills where you just holding it WOT, and lets see some videos from startup to WOT, most people post these videos and never let the sleds get below clutch engagement because they are rich and burbley.

I think you need alot more time and some better tuners if your going to sell this expensive piece and still make the end user add a FPR, what a clutter of sh##. Iam sticking with the piggy backs for now.

I cant wait to hear the whinning post from you know who.

Come on boys lets hear the excuses.

A stand alone does not require a FPR. You'd only need that if you were changing/upgrading the fuel system which most people do if they're turbo charging the engine.

 

[brycter]

Every sled or machine has a fpr. A fuel pump puts out X Psi and flow. when the injectors are on the flow needs to go up to keep the same psi. So the fpr closes suppling enough fuel for the injectors to run. when injectors are off psi go up so a bypass takes the extra fuel and psi putting back into the tank.

when turboing a sled most guys install a rising 1-1 fpr to keep the fuel pressure constant as the boost pressure goes up. that is the only was to keep tuning consistant. If you are just piping the sled or big boring it. You will just use the stock fpr.

any way what is so wrong with adding a fpr? is it a cost thing?

 

[Boyko]

Ive been talking to a few people about the new standalone ecu on the market. Seems like a very interesting piece.

However why do you have to run a FPR with it? You guys brag it up and says its so great but still need a FPR, I call it BS. You guys need to stop flooding the forums with your ridiculous post and get some miles on these things, we dont give a blank about what your dyno says, I want to see this thing bashing through the trees, no open hills where you just holding it WOT, and lets see some videos from startup to WOT, most people post these videos and never let the sleds get below clutch engagement because they are rich and burbley.

I think you need alot more time and some better tuners if your going to sell this expensive piece and still make the end user add a FPR, what a clutter of sh##. Iam sticking with the piggy backs for now.

I cant wait to hear the whinning post from you know who.

Come on boys lets hear the excuses.

You did know that all efi systems require a fuel pressure regulator?

It is going to take some time to get the standalone system tested with boost,

You will never see a factory boosted 2-stroke snowmoble for a reason!

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

this is a joke right? OMG

Ive been talking to a few people about the new standalone ecu on the market. Seems like a very interesting piece.

However why do you have to run a FPR with it? You guys brag it up and says its so great but still need a FPR, I call it BS. You guys need to stop flooding the forums with your ridiculous post and get some miles on these things, we dont give a blank about what your dyno says, I want to see this thing bashing through the trees, no open hills where you just holding it WOT, and lets see some videos from startup to WOT, most people post these videos and never let the sleds get below clutch engagement because they are rich and burbley.

I think you need alot more time and some better tuners if your going to sell this expensive piece and still make the end user add a FPR, what a clutter of sh##. Iam sticking with the piggy backs for now.

I cant wait to hear the whinning post from you know who.

Come on boys lets hear the excuses.

 

[INDEEP]

Just another hater

Keep up the testing. I cant wait for a kit builder to include this set up in their kit.

 

[venom1000]

Ive been talking to a few people about the new standalone ecu on the market. Seems like a very interesting piece.

However why do you have to run a FPR with it? You guys brag it up and says its so great but still need a FPR, I call it BS. You guys need to stop flooding the forums with your ridiculous post and get some miles on these things, we dont give a blank about what your dyno says, I want to see this thing bashing through the trees, no open hills where you just holding it WOT, and lets see some videos from startup to WOT, most people post these videos and never let the sleds get below clutch engagement because they are rich and burbley.

I think you need alot more time and some better tuners if your going to sell this expensive piece and still make the end user add a FPR, what a clutter of sh##. Iam sticking with the piggy backs for now.

I cant wait to hear the whinning post from you know who.

Come on boys lets hear the excuses.

WTF?

 

[allblowdup]

I guess if you read way far between the lines you can see what he is trying to say(not that I agree). I think his point is why is a boost referenced bpr needed with such a powerful efi system when alot of the piggy backs don't need one?
My answer to him is that it is not required to have the system run pretty good but with it the fuel injector spray pattern and atomization will stay much more consistent. So rather than pretty good it may run excellent.

My .02

 

[powerfuldodge]

This sounds like a great item but the only price that I have seem was $2000.US

 

[Vi-PEC Powersports]

kinda!!
if you ask to much on the fuel pump, failure and/or unstable performance will happen, also with a good 1-1 FPR you have fuel to feed much bigger injectors with oem pump...... IMO it is not necessary to answer such a dumb question.....at least put together like that.
anyway, like i said earlier, we are coming from the car industry and everything as been done already and tested and proven......there are something in turbo fueling that doesn't need to be proven again ....like a good rising rate FPR !!

I guess if you read way far between the lines you can see what he is trying to say(not that I agree). I think his point is why is a boost referenced bpr needed with such a powerful efi system when alot of the piggy backs don't need one?
My answer to him is that it is not required to have the system run pretty good but with it the fuel injector spray pattern and atomization will stay much more consistent. So rather than pretty good it may run excellent.

My .02

 

[sledstew]

Ive been talking to a few people about the new standalone ecu on the market. Seems like a very interesting piece.

However why do you have to run a FPR with it? You guys brag it up and says its so great but still need a FPR, I call it BS. You guys need to stop flooding the forums with your ridiculous post and get some miles on these things, we dont give a blank about what your dyno says, I want to see this thing bashing through the trees, no open hills where you just holding it WOT, and lets see some videos from startup to WOT, most people post these videos and never let the sleds get below clutch engagement because they are rich and burbley.

I think you need alot more time and some better tuners if your going to sell this expensive piece and still make the end user add a FPR, what a clutter of sh##. Iam sticking with the piggy backs for now.

I cant wait to hear the whinning post from you know who.

Come on boys lets hear the excuses.

My guess is your asking why an external FPR ---
Reason- the external FPR seems to be more stabile than the factory FPR even with single injectors and major reason is because the end user will have a way way easier time tuning the ECU with a 1:1 regulator.Our goal is to get the single injectors into turbo use.
Hope this helps

 

[Sunvang]

From my point of view, I highly doubt the standalone wont work or do what you claim it to do. But there is no way that features can defend the high price. 1995$ is just way to much for me to even consider.

 

[allblowdup]

kinda!!
if you ask to much on the fuel pump, failure and/or unstable performance will happen, also with a good 1-1 FPR you have fuel to feed much bigger injectors with oem pump...... IMO it is not necessary to answer such a dumb question.....at least put together like that.
anyway, like i said earlier, we are coming from the car industry and everything as been done already and tested and proven......there are something in turbo fueling that doesn't need to be proven again ....like a good rising rate FPR !!

Not to dispute what you are saying but running a 1:1 fpr does not make it any easier on the same fuel pump. On the Dragon the fuel system would support 300 hp at sea level. On the Pro it is first limited by the injectors roughly 200 hp and then the fuel pump after that around 300 hp from what I understand. Putting a 1:1 fpr on it will only help you stay with smaller injectors to higher hp level. I still believe that fuel atomization and spray pattern are the biggest gains from a boost referenced fpr.

 

[t_thall]

Say the injectors flow "x" amount at 50psi - when you are boosting 10 psi the injectors are now flowing as if you have 40psi fuel pressure because the atmosphere is 10 psi heavier. A 1:1 FPR keeps fuel pressure linear and spray patterns the same. Tuning is plenty complicated and has many variables already, having to add in a correction for a fuel system that declines with boost is one more variable plus lowers your fuel systems Hp capability and runs your injectors at a higher duty cycle. Standalone fuel systems are very powerful and will make this sport much better once figured out. I think $2000 would be a great price if you had any idea of the time it takes to set up. Many automotive systems are $3500-$4000.

 

[jeepin270]

Hopefully they get these things all set this year

 

[sledstew]

Next week Ill have tons of info on the turbo,ported,piped setups on the Vipec,heading to Cooke in the morning for 5 days of testing. We are pumped, 99% chance its going to be a green light when we get back!!!!

 

[sledstew]

Just another hater

Keep up the testing. I cant wait for a kit builder to include this set up in their kit.

Its coming SOON!

 

[madmax]

I think you will see this set up on a number of turbo kits next year. It's a great piece of equiptment with endless tuning possibilities.