Stampede avy

[Minten]

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Snomobiler-dug-out-of-avalanche-on-Stampede-Pass-137938768.html



Wow. Nice to have snow but not worth dying for. Be safe and use your brain. Don't do anything stupid. BE PREPARED FOR ANYTHING. Check avy conditions and BE PREPARED.

I said that twice for a reason. Have a good time guys!

Ps. Remember to pick up your trash!

 

[blacksnow]

too many on the hill at once?

the third sledder should have been more aware of his buddie's location, although it's easy for me to say that watching the vid and not being "part of the action."

king 5's write up was poor!

"the man caught in the avalanche, stops at the bottom of a hill to watch another snomobiler higher up."

negative, he was returning to his sled after a botched side hill attempt. Granted it appeared as though he was watching, but nobody moves fast in waist deep pow.

"All the snowmobilers were wearing protective clothing and helmets."

extra cheesy closing sentence with hardly any value except to make readers believe helmets protect you from avys.

 

[kartorium]

The sad thing is, almost every time I go out on a sled I see someone doing stupid crap like this. Making some massive cut above a sledder that is on the slope below him or in the near run out of a slide path.

I do like that the one guy called for people to get their shovels out, took the lead there. He was on it! Plus he got to the spot quick. Too bad not one single person had a shovel out by the end of the video.

 

[winter brew]

Wow, Just shows how even a little hill can bury you....good thing the hill wasn't 10X's as long, imagine how much deeper, how much farther the victim would have been moved, how much longer to find.

 

[TruckeePoo]

The sad thing is, almost every time I go out on a sled I see someone doing stupid crap like this. Making some massive cut above a sledder that is on the slope below him or in the near run out of a slide path.

X2 See this stuff happen all the time...and i'm pretty sure that we've all been in a group where something like this happens. Not sure when the video was shot, but i'm pretty sure that just about EVERYONE knew that the Avy danger was High to Extreme this weekend. Not trying to bust anyones balls, but just slow down and think twice sometimes.

 

[ruffryder]

x2 on all this stuff. We all talk about avy safety... but a lot of times that talk goes out the window when there is fresh snow on the hills.

 

[knzee]

The guy that cut the line over his buddy, needs his azz kicked, real hard.

 

[SNOBI-WAN-KENOBI]

L U C K Y ! ! ! Good thing his buddies were close by!!!

 

[Wapow]

The sad thing is, almost every time I go out on a sled I see someone doing stupid crap like this. Making some massive cut above a sledder that is on the slope below him or in the near run out of a slide path.

I do like that the one guy called for people to get their shovels out, took the lead there. He was on it! Plus he got to the spot quick. Too bad not one single person had a shovel out by the end of the video.

Glad that everybody came out OK, but all of the "atta-boys" seem inappropriate to me. The mistakes leading up to the burial are obvious. Less obvious are the mistakes made during the rescue. Best practice in that situation is for somebody to take charge and remain outside of the danger zone. Only a few guys could actually dig for him at the same time, so only a few should have gone to the rescue. From what I could tell, everybody jumped in (which is understandable), but could have lead to a secondary burial if there was hangfire above. My guess is that none of the folks involved had avy training (or they forgot it under duress, which is why you have to practice). Anybody know if he was even wearing a transceiver?

 

[BigT]

Very glad to see the positive outcome. That said--there sure seems to be a lot of should have this and shoulda done that...
Pretty easy to be sitting here at the key board and quarterbacking.
The important thing is--they made it out. Did they learn anything. They were EXTREMELY luck this time. They made mistakes-sure. Bashing them or Kicking AZZes does not help. How about some constructive tips so that they do not put themselves in that situation again.

Check the avy report and know what it is telling you.
Have saftey equipment and know how to use it.
Rescue leader(s) identified in case something does happen.
One on the slope at a time.
Pick appropriate slope angles taking in to considerations the avy reports
Get yourselves avy educated.

The list can go on from here.

Just saying we could try to help this to not happen again instead of pointing out the things we see they did wrong.

BigT

 

[SNOBI-WAN-KENOBI]

Just saw this will be aired on "Good Morning,America" Wednesday morning!

 

[sticker00]

There has been some tree hugging liberal noise about nature destroying on the media web site ---- think a informed response is needed

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Snomobiler-dug-out-of-avalanche-on-Stampede-Pass-137938768.html

 

[Comp 670]

That vid should have never been given to the news media. They will only use it against us....

It disturbs me that they were yelling for shovels....Your shovel should be WITH YOU IN YOUR BACKPACK!

 

[Elliott]

It's too bad that King 5 gave them credit for being prepared. Short of the camera man keeping an eye on his buddy and responding quickly the situation was a total cluster.
-High Avy Danger
-Sidehilling over your buddy
-Having everyone jump into help
-Not having shovels more readily available
I am glad that everyone made it out safe but hope that these idiots aren't riding around me or my buddies.
TAKE AVY CLASSES!!!!!!!!!!

 

[royalwaves]

That vid should have never been given to the news media. They will only use it against us....

It disturbs me that they were yelling for shovels....Your shovel should be WITH YOU IN YOUR BACKPACK!

There are so many disturbing things in this video. These guys had no knowledge and they were very lucky he wasn't buried deeper. People like this are what gives this sport a bad name and reputation for ignorance.

 

[Givemeaboost]

What disturbs me the most is why did he fall off the sled in the first place to put him in that situation. Either he couldn't ride or was somewhat impared and shouldn't have been on that hill to start with.


Ken....

 

[rmkboxer]

What disturbs me the most is why did he fall off the sled in the first place to put him in that situation. Either he couldn't ride or was somewhat impared and shouldn't have been on that hill to start with.


Ken....

that has nothing to do with the avalanche and what happenned. obviously everybody is not a perfect rider and stuff happens. this is a perfect video to watch on what not to do when riding. glad no one was hurt and all went ok but obviously there were some unexperienced riders and lack of avy education.

 

[winter brew]

I'll admit...on a hill that small, even with high avy danger, I don't think most people (including myself) would be on high alert for something like this. This is the kind of stuff most riders stick to when the hazard is high to stay OUT of harms way.
This was more of a freak accident, but obviously it shows us that it can happen any where at any time!
Not even sure the other rider could see his buddy on foot until he was above him?? I know that's no excuse, just saying this could have easily happened to any of us, even the most careful riders.
I think we all set off little slides like that on a fairly regular basis and think nothing of it.

 

[coreyt700]

Quick action!

As said before there are a lotta shoulda coulda wouldas...hind sight is 20/20.

Most of us would have stuck to an area like this with high avy danger.

Coudos to the quick thinking of those around him. If I was the guy buried I would be thankful as hell that these guys reacted as quickly as they did.

Let this video be a learning tool for all of us who think it is always going to be someone else.

 

[skibreeze]

I'll admit...on a hill that small, even with high avy danger, I don't think most people (including myself) would be on high alert for something like this. This is the kind of stuff most riders stick to when the hazard is high to stay OUT of harms way.
This was more of a freak accident, but obviously it shows us that it can happen any where at any time!
Not even sure the other rider could see his buddy on foot until he was above him?? I know that's no excuse, just saying this could have easily happened to any of us, even the most careful riders.
I think we all set off little slides like that on a fairly regular basis and think nothing of it.

I agree that this slope is one that by itself, is relatively safe for most conditions. We also know that accidents of all kinds happen because of a chain of events that take place. This is why it is so important to isolate the events. Knowing that the conditions favored a slide, it is that much more important to use proper protocol. There is no excuse for multiple riders on that hill at that time and the fact that the last himarked over the victim is inexcuseable.

This avy fatality is another small slide but with a very different outcome. We need to make sure everybody is aware of the snow conditions and keep this in mind as well as the terrain and how the two affect the outcome.

http://avalanche.state.co.us/acc/acc_report.php?accfm=rep&acc_id=431