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Solution to sno - park plowing problems

I didn't see anywhere (in the SAWS alerts) that mentioned the lots around baker are having the same problem. I guess I assumed wrong and you are?

I am the guy that got your keys out of that chick rig you drive. Remember the night you got so drunk ,woke up in the morning and said, and i quote " someone stole my backpack and my keys are in it." If i remember it then took about 45 minutes for you to focus and actually see your backpack in the back of said chick rig. I will still thank you for the help on the road clearing project, but if you think baker is open because we get some sort of different money, think otherwise. So, for all who come to Baker, bring money 'cause we are going to keep the road open with private money. I would expect the same if i was headed to your snopark. Its time for sledders to fix it themselves instead of relying on big brother to do it for us.
Jay
 
I am the guy that got your keys out of that chick rig you drive. Remember the night you got so drunk ,woke up in the morning and said, and i quote " someone stole my backpack and my keys are in it." If i remember it then took about 45 minutes for you to focus and actually see your backpack in the back of said chick rig.

Ahh that was a good night. It all started with some crazy cider and ended with the above...... memories.

Thanks for the heart to heart.....:rolleyes: ........ and off topic this thread goes.
 
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2/7/08 SAWS email regarding sno-parks

I thought I would post my previous WA SAWS News email from yesterday AM in this thread, since some of the posts make reference to information contained in this email.

WA SAWS members,

Most of you should have received my WA SAWS News email from Last Friday 2/1/08 that indicated there were snow removal problems at several sno-parks in WA state, and that at the time there were many rumors that plowing funds had been used up for plowing of several sno-parks. Although grooming and plowing issues are outside the defined scope for SAWS (we are basically a free snowmobile land use access advocacy organization with no paid positions), I did check with the Washington State Parks Winter Recreation Office and I also contacted several other individuals (SAWS members, WSSA members, and others) that might know more details on this issue. I also left a few phone messages for some of the contractors that plow and/or groom, and I heard back from Tim Foss (Forest Service, Cle Elum Ranger District) and Bob Lind (R&R Grooming).

Turns out the rumors are true folks. At a minimum I have been told that the funds for sno-park snow removal are gone for I-90 corridor (Snoqualmie Pass area), Marble Mountain (St. Helens), Cougar Mountain (St. Helens) and Greenwater. I am sure that most other sno-parks in WA state will be out of plowing funds soon too, if they are not already.

I am not going to get into the politics of who, why, or the extreme weather, as to why the plowing funds are already gone. This email is just an FYI that some of the rumors first heard by myself the last two weeks and that I warned our WA SAWS members of last week, have now been confirmed to be true. Some snowmobilers have suggested that donations for certain sno-parks is the answer for the rest of this year; others want the snowmobile license tab fees increased; others want the gas tax cap removed; others have even indicated they will not pay another penny to this issue until changes are made at WA State Parks; and some have even indicated that no sno-park plowing or grooming is fine by them. I have seen no common theme of agreement among snowmobilers as to what the answer should be, but it seems to me that for future years (will not help us this year), that getting the gas tax cap removed is a a no additional cost method for snowmobilers to get more money on the ground. This is my personal feeling, and not a SAWS voted policy position (again, outside our SAWS scope). Of course if you fall into the group of "no more money to a system you deem as broken", then this idea is probably also not your cup of tea. See the information below this email from WSSA if you are interested in helping to get the bills passed in Olympia to increase the gas tax cap.

I would like to reiterate that this issue is NOT a SAWS issue that we plan to address as an organization. With a full time paid job, a very large amount of my free time volunteering for SAWS dealing with permanent land use closures such as new wilderness bills, Recommended Wilderness Area proposals, Forest Plan Revisions and Travel Plans, and the fact that once again this issue falls outside of our SAWS defined scope, I do not have the time or energy to add this political hot potato to my plate -so I won't.

Emotions are definitely running high. Some people are very upset, and some people are just agitated, but I would strongly encourage those that wish to get involved in resolving this issue to try and deal with just the facts and leave as much emotion as possible behind. The name calling and blame game is getting pretty ugly from where I am sitting. You can start by going to your next Snowmobile Grooming council Meeting. I know that there will be one in Cle Elum on Monday Feb 11 at 7 PM at the Cle Elum Ranger Station.

Dave
Snowmobile Alliance of Western States
_________________________________________________________________________________________
Portion of email from WSSA dated 2/5/08




****Remove the Gas Tax Cap**** Contact your legislators to approve House Bill 1405 & Senate Bill 5023
Likely the most controversial and difficult, these bills modify the fuel tax rate used to determine fuel tax distributions to fund non-highway expenditures. Basically, they lift the gas tax cap (which currently tops out at 23 cents in 2011) applied to snowmobile generated revenue and will allow the full amount of collected tax to be applied to the State's snowmobile program.

We have found out this week that some areas are totally out of funds to plow Sno-Parks. Many more will soon be out of funds. This is an excellent time for the snowmobilers to contact their legislators telling them of their dilemma. Especially the ones in the urban areas, who would rather use the money on their roads, because they are not hearing from their constituents (YOU) in their district. We have a situation that is bad that allows snowmobilers to speak from their heart with passion so we need YOU to contact your elected officials this week!

WSSA has put their eggs in this basket to get more funds for the State's snowmobile program. We must act immediately to get these bills through Olympia. We need to get activated. Membership (YOU) needs to contact officials, because we have nothing else to raise more funds. Roughly lifting the gas tax cap 10 cents amounts to $13.50 per snowmobile. For 35,000 snowmobiles, it amounts to $472,500. This is an amount that will make a difference short term and into the future if we can keep the cap removed. We can't do it alone.

Grooming costs continue to go up as contracts are renewed. We can't let this session slip away. This is the only way we can get more funding for the Winter Recreation Program, i.e., grooming and plowing. The WSSA Board cannot make this happen alone, we need constituents in every corner of Washington State contacting the legislator this week. It's important if we want funding in the future. Do you need help contacting your legislator or need a sample letter to cut and paste in an email, go to http://www.wssa.us/legislatorletter.htm.
 
Ahh that was a good night. It all started with some crazy cider and ended with the above...... memories.

That was F U N N Y....., especially for those of us who weren't draggin' our eye lids iin the dirt... :p

Got dozer??? :D
 
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Ruffy,
When you bringin that nitro up? I wanna ride it. Just remember the checklist.
1 Nytro
2 Shovel
3 Money
No worries dude. Just made up another batch of the funky cider. You are welcome to some. Just leave your keys in the ignition this time.
Jay
 
Ruffy
The cider is called "Apple Pie". It is also like Medussa in a way, something that tastes sooo good is probably too good to be true!

I to date have ever seen anyone drink as much apple pie as Ruffy........BRAVO!!!
 
Apple Pie!!

Would this recipe call for some everclear?? My G/F makes this stuff and let me tell you it goes down smooth! I can see where ruffy might have gone overboard with it. Ive seen many a man go down with the apple pie!!:beer;:beer;:beer;:eek:

Rob.
 
thought we were on to something

Dave

thought we could stop the madness.

But as you see, this thread like most others about keepin us riding, has pretty much turned into a trivial pizzin match.

good luck hpi and jeffstrows...baker will be gone too. just a little later than the rest.

NOT ENOUGH RIDERS CARE.

i have spent huge coin and sent emails and letters on this stuff the last five years.

was hoping more riders would get involved...guess not

i will ride it till it ends

but my kids will only be able to watch the "old man" in the "old days" on my home made dvd's

chris
 
We need to hold the state accountable. They keep the extra funds (and divert them) in the MANY years when there is little or no snow. They should be saving that extra money for years like this when there is more snow and more cost to clear the parks and groom the trails. Instead, it probably paid for some stadium that we voted NO on, or for some million dollar apartments for drunks in Seattle, or better yet, maybe another half-way house for sex offenders....
 
Do you need help contacting your legislator

Do you need help contacting your legislator ???????

AGAIN.........

Do you need help contacting your legislator ????????

sooooo....do any of you need this...or.....

DO YOU ALL KNOW HOW TO DO THIS???????????

FRICKIN SNOWEST POSIN RIDIN HYPOCRITS...
 
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No Need For New Sled In Washington

ridin areas will be closed soon...best to rent when you go to wyoming and idaho. as ridin in washington will be done.
 
My letter to my state reps

Rep. Jaime Herrera
Rep. Ed Orcutt
Sen. Joe Zarelli


I wanted to following up the phone call that I made on Feb 8, 2008. I am concerned greatly about the mismanagement of our state funds for snow removal. The snow parks on Mt St Helens are not being plowed anymore because of the funds being depleted. I believe they have been wasted due to the fact the local contractor does not have the proper equipment to remove snow, during heavy snow years. Skamania County needs a rotary snow blower to remove the snow and they do not have one, and the contractor that mantains Mt St Helens does not have a reliable one. I hope that state would consider revamping the allocation of funds; the snowmobile gas tax cap is insane. We need to have proper funds in our program to move snow and buy the right equipment.

My wife attended the winter advisory committee snow parks meeting, held in Woodland Washington on February 2nd. Mr. James Horan, the head on the committee, actually laughed her when she demanded the state account for OUR money. The state program is broke and I believe that the whole committee needs to be removed and some people appointed that can actually plan a budget. I hope that you would look into the wastefulness of our money, that the winter recreation committee has control over.

I do believe our state wide snowmobile grooming program is functioning just fine, if anything thing it needs more funds too. The grooming program functions because there is a local grooming coordinator that’s oks the days and conditions to groom. If that doesn’t happen the contractor doesn’t get paid. Unlike our snow removal contractor.


I believe one way to fix this problem is to have a second set of snow parks, lower on the mountain. That way once there is heavy snow above they can close the roads and plow to the lower snow parks. Thus saving our money to plow the whole snow season. I also believe our state could charge a fee, for out of state snowmobiles who ride in Washington. I know the State of Idaho charges 30 dollars per year fee for out of State snowmobiles who ride in Idaho.


I also believe the state should create some little kids sledding hills, we do not really have a place that a family can go and enjoy the snow. I would volunteer my time to help build a lower set of snow parks and sledding hills for the kids. I also think the there is enough local contractors that would donate there equipment for the right cause.
 
wooohooooooo

anyone else.....

this should be the most popular ever going thread.....

c"mon......

or are we done ridin???????????

posers!!!!!!!
 
Lets Go Posers!!!!

Hpi
H20ske
Ruffrider
Good To Go
Jstrows
Bigtruck
Sledfoot
Reverup
Summertimeblues
Sky7051
 
just want to stir some action

we need to all make a BIG effort now to get our local officials going...
 
How about we bring back the HSCC meetings but also do a bunch of saws work, writing letters and that sort of thing, getting better informed. I think it would help get us to do more and encourage more personal involvement.
 
;ets go Poser's

Hpi
H20ske
Ruffrider
Good To Go
Jstrows
Bigtruck
Sledfoot
Reverup
Summertimeblues
Sky7051

First---I have been sending e-mails as well--so I NO Poser:mad:!

But you Blindman---are a HOSER!!!;)

I have even been e-mailing about our "not buddy", Adam Kline bringing up these ludicrus bills in the senate---Guy is a Liberal supreme looking out for himself only!!


H20SKE...
 
Hpi
H20ske
Ruffrider
Good To Go
Jstrows
Bigtruck
Sledfoot
Reverup
Summertimeblues
Sky7051

Ouch.... all this after I was out plowing the road.. While typing letters to our reps... On the phone looking for donations for equipment and fuel.... And trying to take care of your lazy azz in the nursing home. :p

Naw, I've got to be honest. I didn't get all the letters off that I wanted this week. I missed the one on Sen Roach's bill for gun rights...still on my to do list. But they are off for Kline's 'tax your big dirty engine' bill and on the gas cap issue. Sorry to have failed you..:face-icon-small-dis:rolleyes:;);)
 
Sent

Thanks CleElum Sledhead for the link and generic starter letter.

With some slight additions, I got it off to all 3 of my legislatures just now:cool:
 
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