Install the app
How to install the app on iOS

Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.

Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.

  • Don't miss out on all the fun! Register on our forums to post and have added features! Membership levels include a FREE membership tier.

snowmobile specific Avy class

I'm having a helluva time finding a snowmobile specific avalanche class here in Washington. All I've found tailor to back country skiiers and snowboarders and require accessing the backcountry via AT skis or split boards, which I do not have. And, it sure seems like a sled could pose certain avy hazards that skis do not create.

I'm looking for a 2-3 day class that could provide some in-field work (snowpack analysis).... not just a one-day course in a building somewhere.

Anybody have a recommendation?
thanks
Wiley
 
I'm having a helluva time finding a snowmobile specific avalanche class here in Washington. All I've found tailor to back country skiiers and snowboarders and require accessing the backcountry via AT skis or split boards, which I do not have. And, it sure seems like a sled could pose certain avy hazards that skis do not create.

I'm looking for a 2-3 day class that could provide some in-field work (snowpack analysis).... not just a one-day course in a building somewhere.

Anybody have a recommendation?
thanks
Wiley

Wiley,

There are snowmobile specific avy awareness classes, but they dont include snowpack analysis, YET...Michael Jackson, the founder of ASAP (avalanche safety awareness program) is puting together a Level 1 class specific to snowmobilers.

One of his philosophies is that since snowmobilers cover so much ground on varied terrain, that inless you are willing to stop and dig a pit on every different aspect you ride on, then his time is better spent teaching awareness and avoidance. The concern is that you will dig a pit on one aspect, the snowpack will be stable, and will lead to a false sense of security as you travel to differnt terrain.

Check the WA section for Avy Class anouncements...there will be a couple in Cle Elum in Jan or Feb.
 
Wiley,

There are snowmobile specific avy awareness classes, but they dont include snowpack analysis, YET...Michael Jackson, the founder of ASAP (avalanche safety awareness program) is puting together a Level 1 class specific to snowmobilers.

One of his philosophies is that since snowmobilers cover so much ground on varied terrain, that inless you are willing to stop and dig a pit on every different aspect you ride on, then his time is better spent teaching awareness and avoidance. The concern is that you will dig a pit on one aspect, the snowpack will be stable, and will lead to a false sense of security as you travel to differnt terrain.

Check the WA section for Avy Class anouncements...there will be a couple in Cle Elum in Jan or Feb.

Sledmodr is dead on about this guy being THE MAN for this! What ever you do, don't miss the opportunity to go to one of this guys classes. I love learning from people who are passionate in their respective fields. I just went and will make this an annual-must-do-event.
 
That's great news that there will be an avy class in Cle Elum. I'll definitely be there with my group of 3-4 guys.

Hope it doesn't fall through.
 
Last edited:
That's great news that there will be an avy class in Cle Elum. I'll definitely be there with my group of 3-4 guys.

Hope it doesn't fall through.

Well, there was supposed to be some type of basic 1 day course at the Cle Elum Ranger Station on Nov 21. Some guy had booked a room there and said he was going to host a Avy class. But it has apparently fell thru. I asked the lady at the Ranger Station for other info and she had none. She couldn't provide his phone number or name. All they did was reserve a room for him. She suggested checking Snowest. WTF??? The only resource they can give me is a website? How pathetic.

What irritates me is that the US Forest Service and the State of WA don't seem to give a damn about snowmobiler safety. Frankly, it is shocking to me that they are not sponsoring some type of class similar to what is done in Montana. Washington is a huge snowmobile use area and is known for large avy's with heavy snow.

It shouldn't be this hard to educate ourselves!

Sorry, I had to vent.
 
cpatts here on the forums is an instructor from the Twisp area. I think he said he and his crew do a couple a year around that area. Shoot him a PM and see what he has going. Good luck. EW
 
We do level 1 classes in Twisp (methow valley) the classes are not just awareness, they are 3 day snowmobile specific classes, 2 in the class and 1 on sleds. It is a very good class, we focus on teaching how to avoid avys all together, which includes snowpack analysis etc. We are working on traveling classes, and can do them for a certain amount of people, I think we need to have at least 10 people. We have no dates at this time but I will post them when we have them. If you are interested in a class somewhere other than Twisp, pm me or email me and I will see what we can do.
chad
chad@methownet.com
 
CG, who is the instructor going to be?

thanks

Class will be taught with the ASAP curriculum designed for sledders by Michael Jackson (Executive Director of ASAP). Limited space available, reserve your seat NOW!
____________________________________________ ________________

December 12th - CleEllum - Forest Service Building.
For sign up contact Kevin Merrell via email at His email addy Clicky!
Cost is $60/ person.

Instructors: Travis Huisman and Rob Hensel
 
We do level 1 classes in Twisp (methow valley) the classes are not just awareness, they are 3 day snowmobile specific classes, 2 in the class and 1 on sleds. It is a very good class, we focus on teaching how to avoid avys all together, which includes snowpack analysis etc. We are working on traveling classes, and can do them for a certain amount of people, I think we need to have at least 10 people. We have no dates at this time but I will post them when we have them. If you are interested in a class somewhere other than Twisp, pm me or email me and I will see what we can do.
chad
chad@methownet.com

Hey Chad, it sounds like you have put together a curiculum similar to MJ (founder and executive director of ASAP).

Who's "Level 1" course are you basing yours on? AIARE (http://avtraining.org/) doesn't offer a Level 1 for snowmobilers, so MJ has taken the step of puting together a 1 day snowmobile specific awareness class, and is currently puting the finishing touches on a Level 1 "on the snow" class for snowmobilers.

I would love to get everyone together in the same room and talk about the different courses you guys have put together...it would be great to have everyone teaching the same or similar ciriculum.

Cheers,
Brent
 
Snomo specific Level 1 avy courses

Well, Well, Well,

It is about damn time people started getting pissed-off that there are no snomo specific avy courses in Washington. I have been pissed for years, and I TEACH avy courses!

I will let you all in on a dirty little secret....The lack of snomo specific avy courses is due to Forest Service policy, plain and simple. It is a permitting issue, and the fact is there are no funds to administer any new permits, so they are simply not issuing them as a departmental policy. I have been attempting for 10 years to get a permit, and know the in's and out's of the process intimately.

My name is Michael Jackson (MJ), and I am a Professional Avalanche Educator. Since 1999 I have been the Executive Director of a nonprofit called The Alpine Safety Awareness Program (ASAP). ASAP has a goal of making safety a habit by using local resources to teach avalanche awareness courses.
I have been teaching courses for many, many years, and the past five years have found me re-focusing my efforts on the snowmobile community. I have an incredible group of snowmobiler's that have been through a training program, that currently help in the delivery of a one-day, snomo specific awareness course. They are also the future of snomobile avalanche education, and together we will be offering on-the-snow courses on a limited basis this year, with more in the coming years. WSSA has endorsed our efforts, and Mick Steinman, the WSSA Safety Director is a critical part of both our outreach and our instruction team. We are currently recruiting other professional avalanche educators to assist in our efforts.

There are District Rangers that are willing to risk their professional careers by making exceptions to the current no-permit policy, but they are in the minority, and their efforts will bear little fruit for this season. They see the problem of no snomo courses, and they feel they need to try and meet the demand to the best of their abilities... more later as things develop.

What you all can do is very simple, and you are all already very good at it: Contact your club President, WSSA, Sled Dealers, etc., anyone with a voice. We need to bang the drum and get the word out to the USFS, legislators, EVERYONE with any influence on changing a policy decision.

This current policy is contrary to stated USFS policy of meeting the needs of the public for recreation on public lands. Without any doubt, currently one of the most pressing needs for the snowmobile community is to get educated on how to travel safely in avalanche terrain. Help me to get this situation changed so that we don't have to read about sledder's dying needlessly in preventable avalanche accidents.

Please check my references (modsledr, diamonddave, coyotegirl) so that you don't have to take what I say with a grain of salt. I speak from experience, and don't want to waste your time or mine. The fact of the matter is we need to get our voices heard, and we need to do it NOW, not later. So put down your end wrench, wipe the grease off of your hands, and start getting the word out to anyone and everyone: We need to have the opportunity to take a class that might just save our lives, taught by sledders, for sledders.

MJ
 
As an FS employee, if there is something I can do to help you guys out just let me know. I'm on the Colville NF, and I have pretty good ties with the folks on the Methow Valley RD.
 
** CORRECTION ** Cle Elum Class - Sunday December 13th 8AM

Hi all, just confirmed with Kevin and Michael J., Cle Elum course is Sunday, December 13th, at 8AM. Please RSVP / confirm with Kevin via email (kevin@ytgm.com.) Space is limited.

ASAP website and previous postings are incorrect on date.

If you are attending, please bring your beacon and probe (if you have one, not a requirement for course.)

Thanks!
 
Premium Features



Back
Top