SNOWEST SEARCH AND RESCUE SECTION???
- Thread starter m8braaaap
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I am following along on that.
IT's a great idea, but I'm afraid as a subsection of a section, it might get lost or hidden...or NOT checked without sending people to an alert thread.
I still think a rescue alert thread in General or that state's section is still the most effective way to maximize mobile help the quickest.
I still think a rescue alert thread in General or that state's section is still the most effective way to maximize mobile help the quickest.
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m8braaaap
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make it happen moderator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cant the forum page throw up alerts by state????
Don't know.
I can't make that stuff happen.
It would be cool to have a feature on a state forum that if an "alert to rescue" thread was created, a box can be checked during creation of that thread (and of course re-confirmed, like when you are purchasing something online) that sends an email or PM to all the members of that state or area.
I can't make that stuff happen.
It would be cool to have a feature on a state forum that if an "alert to rescue" thread was created, a box can be checked during creation of that thread (and of course re-confirmed, like when you are purchasing something online) that sends an email or PM to all the members of that state or area.
I do know that a good many of us in W. Mont have each other networked through cell phones. Not everyone knows each other, but we are fairly connected.
I have 15 or 20 cell #s and also many facebook friends of area riders who live as far away as 4 hours.
A text message or facebook post can travel fast.
I have 15 or 20 cell #s and also many facebook friends of area riders who live as far away as 4 hours.
A text message or facebook post can travel fast.
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m8braaaap
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i dont know much about computers but they did put a man on the moon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i know here in southern colorado we could put together a hell of a search and rescue with skilled backcountry riders and never know it could be me or you that are fu*ked.worth a try
I am game.
But I want to see a WHOLE LOT MORE INTEREST before we kick this off.
But I want to see a WHOLE LOT MORE INTEREST before we kick this off.
The problem would be how to keep everyone on the same page. Its great if when conditions are bad we can field 2-5 groups looking for a person, but what happens when they are found or if a different group is now stuck somewhere too? There would have to be an efficient method of keeping everyone informed as opposed to having a bunch of people running around the back country.
I think it is a good idea for what it is worth.
I think it is a good idea for what it is worth.
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m8braaaap
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anyone who responds could all meet at the trailhead and devise a plan before heading into the deep.but i see what youre saying about the rescuers getting in trouble.i think we will get some good ideas over the next few days.
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knzee
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From a legal stand point this is probably not a real good idea. I was part of a search and rescue unit for a couple years and they have a lot of legal responsibility to protect and train the guys who are a member of the group. If someone (snowest search and resecue member) was to get hurt or worse during a search it could come back on the lack of training or knowledge that got them in trouble. I know most are not going to sue for reasons like this but wives, children, and other family tend to get sue happy whenever their loved one dies. Might just have to figure out some kind of liablity waiver too.
what a bunch of cry babies. losers like this just make me sick. i say get all these goodie two shoes together and strand them on thier own island. the world would be a better place for it!
yeah that would work. But I think if everyone from a state was notified there would be a group or two that would just go out on their own and look and potentially get lost/ some other misfortune. It would need to be narrowed down to certain individuals so everyone can be kept track of in terms of going out vs not going out.
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m8braaaap
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or a pm could be sent out to those who have a set of balls and are pre registered with snowest that its at their own risk.im not scared!just sayin
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knzee
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Pretty much why I left, well that and all the bull chit that goes with people and power trips once they get some training. I was heading out once on a search and picked up one other guy I really did not know. At the gas station I was in getting a snickers bar and mountain dew for a drink. The guy comes over to the counter with his water and power bars and tells me I should really think of another snack as the pop and candy bars are loaded with sugar and will just wear me down faster. I looked him right in the eye and said,"I garauntee I wll be just fine with my pop and snickers bar". So he brings it up at the next monthly meeting. After that I never went back.
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m8braaaap
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ha!!! whata d-bag!! i wuda left him at the gas station,or stopped after that and gotta 12 pack and a pint just to show him how to be awesome
ha!!! whata d-bag!! i wuda left him at the gas station,or stopped after that and gotta 12 pack and a pint just to show him how to be awesome
Amen, w t f? Having a full flask is the first rule when packing your survival gear for a ride!
What else you gonna do sitting in a snocave for 12 hrs?
I think some of you are getting away from the intent of m8's thread.
I don't think this is about having an alert section for when someone gets lost.
It doesn't happen every day. If there's an emergency, 1 thread on General Snowmobiling will suffice. That will happen anyway.
I think its about having access to people who know the area.
Not good to put phone #'s out there online (I don't care, company phone, dont get too many calls from Nigeria on it anyway
), but my suggestion would be to just have a sticky thread on each state's forum.
Folks could post up some sort of contact info, phone, email, whatever and the areas they are most familiar with or near to.
Then if shtf for someone, their wife, buddy, who ever gets word can pop on here and find some peeps to round up and go search.
I understand the concern of sending more people into a bad situation, but lets remember like I posted in the WA thread. Not all the SAR scenarios involve extreme whiteout conditions and blizzards. Many are breakdowns, injuries, or just plain effin lost.
There isnt going to be any liability on SW's part. People that choose to go out do so of their own volition. They are not employees of any organization responsible for the safety of the people needing rescued.
Is it fool proof? No. But neither is an organized search lead by the SHerrifs dept. Case in point with the WA sledders. Guys that knew the area said there was a better way to get to the victims, but they were not contacted or fed the correct info.
Its merely a way to help someone get off the hill quicker.
I don't think this is about having an alert section for when someone gets lost.
It doesn't happen every day. If there's an emergency, 1 thread on General Snowmobiling will suffice. That will happen anyway.
I think its about having access to people who know the area.
Not good to put phone #'s out there online (I don't care, company phone, dont get too many calls from Nigeria on it anyway
), but my suggestion would be to just have a sticky thread on each state's forum.Folks could post up some sort of contact info, phone, email, whatever and the areas they are most familiar with or near to.
Then if shtf for someone, their wife, buddy, who ever gets word can pop on here and find some peeps to round up and go search.
I understand the concern of sending more people into a bad situation, but lets remember like I posted in the WA thread. Not all the SAR scenarios involve extreme whiteout conditions and blizzards. Many are breakdowns, injuries, or just plain effin lost.
There isnt going to be any liability on SW's part. People that choose to go out do so of their own volition. They are not employees of any organization responsible for the safety of the people needing rescued.
Is it fool proof? No. But neither is an organized search lead by the SHerrifs dept. Case in point with the WA sledders. Guys that knew the area said there was a better way to get to the victims, but they were not contacted or fed the correct info.
Its merely a way to help someone get off the hill quicker.
Right, but groups go out on their own all the time with the possibility of getting lost, hurt or some other misfortune. This is no different other than the group is going for a ride for a specific reason that day.
If I'm upside down in a tree well with a broken leg and a smoked sled I want a couple gruops of guys who can roll up to the snopark, unload and head out before the sop's and protocals of a sherrif's led search begins.
I'm selfish that way! But I'd do the same for others and have.
Sometimes time is of the essence, unlike the GW folks. They were uninjured, had food, water and a snowcave. Went out once on an avi rescue. Up on top of Grand Mesa at the tail end of a storm that dropped 5' in about 30hrs. Road was fricking closed. Noone gettin up there from the valley. Only people were those that were staying at the lodge.
3 sleds breakin trail on a road. Sled 1 trips a slide, sled 2 and rider get buried. Sled 3 drives through unsur of what jsut happened until he figures out it's a debris field. (Luckily sled 3 ran over guy 2's head and partially un-buried him). Sled 1 hauls but back to the lodge, leaves # 3 with #2 who may or may not be injured, but is definately in shock. Not sure how sled 1 even made it back by himself cuz I was playin leapfrog with guys that were better riders than I going back in.
All ended well, but guy #2 was in shock and hypothermic by the time we got back there, less than an hour. Got him warmed up and out of there. Just lucky that there was so d@mn much snow that the group I was with had just come back in and said eff it, it's too deep.
Yeah in this case, no texts would have gone out anyway, but for sure the guy who'd been buried would not have done well if not for teh "unofficial" SAR team.
