Vern does have a point with the cool factor. Some sleds do look killer with no flap, but you must agree that some look worse too. For what it is worth I prefer to cut mine in about 1/2. Good compromise. Vern, one question though. In theory would not the same amount of snow be thrown out at the point below the flap with or without the flap and the excess being thrown straight up be blocked by the flap therefore resulting in less roost behind you. If anyone feels a personal advantage with no flap go with it. We all always say to go with what feels best to you and enjoy.
Snow flaps suck in POW!
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Clarke673
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I have a completely free flowing cooling system on my sled but it still tries to over heat on the trails with or with out the flap. If I take a quick dip in any powder at all it cools right off!
And yes, owning a 121 800 makes all climbs technical. To anyone who doesn’t think climbing on hero snow like we have now isn’t fun with 55 mph track speed is on crack.
It would be nearly in possible to overheat a sled in powder. I rarely see my temp gauge go above 100 when in the deep snow.
And yes, owning a 121 800 makes all climbs technical. To anyone who doesn’t think climbing on hero snow like we have now isn’t fun with 55 mph track speed is on crack.
It would be nearly in possible to overheat a sled in powder. I rarely see my temp gauge go above 100 when in the deep snow.
no they don't.
Snow flaps do 2 things.
1) They help cool your sled by directing more snow onto your exchangers.
2) They keep you buddy behind you from being pelted by ice chunks.
That's it. They don't slow you down. They don't make your seld "trench".
End of story.
Snow flaps do 2 things.
1) They help cool your sled by directing more snow onto your exchangers.
2) They keep you buddy behind you from being pelted by ice chunks.
That's it. They don't slow you down. They don't make your seld "trench".
End of story.
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JROD
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Clarke673
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Ride a 121 800 in powder and come tell me they don't trench.
If i get my sled together ( broke my nubs off trying to whip
), you can come ride with me one day. You ride the sled for 10 min in the deep with it on, then i will take it off and you tell me if it helps.It might not be much help, but on a 121 any help is GREAT!
jrod, didn't mean to sound like such an azz, i apologize! doesn't anyone watch there temp gauge/light when the ground is icy??? i'm glad on the M's the temp light starts to flash when the sled is STARTING to get warm, that way you can either hit some fresh to cool it down or just stop and let it cool. if it stays on solid its time to stop!!! I don't think he meant the snow flap was causing him to trench, he's saying the thing is holding his track from trenching any farther and causing him to get stuck. same reason i got rid of mine, just got tired of the thing dragging in the pow and scrubbing speed, sooo much easier to dig out without it there...
Simply added 4" to the length of mine and dropped 15 degrees running temperature.
To the ignoramus' that said "Try getting of the trail once in a while", this is not always possible. Seriously I'm a mountain rider just as much as the next guy but where I ride, there's a certain amount a trail that you just have to ride through areas where getting off the trail is illegal. Or the trees are so thick that you it's simply impossible to get off. Don't see a lot of 121s where I ride either...
And what about those spring rides when the snow has settle the day before and frozen overnight. When you hit the trail in the morning, there's not much getting kicked up on your coolers.
Sure you guys might get away with it for awhile but these engines were designed to run with a certain amount of heat soak. Just because your light isn't on doesn't mean that it's not running hotter. I guess there's probably not many out there with a temp gauge. So you're running your engine hotter for the duration of it's life. It will take it's toll after time.
But if your Poo 121 race chassis does technical climbs better and doesn't trench anymore than congrats on your new mod!
Yep, what he said^^^^. I run a full length flap on my mod and my sled runs on the bottom of the gauge with the flap on, I can tell if it gets sucked up into the tunnel without even turning around, just have to look at the temp gauge. Besides, guys can actually ride behind me without getting pelted with big ice chunks.
I_OWN_U..... you tard... 800 motors, 121's and pow DONT mix, i think i found your problem man!!!
come ride up in bozo with me in 2 weeks, ill show you what 55 mph track speed looks like, but on a 162!!
come ride up in bozo with me in 2 weeks, ill show you what 55 mph track speed looks like, but on a 162!!
yup, that makes sense. i was just stating what appears to be happening on the sleds i ride with with and without flaps, not saying its a fact. and actually on my sled i do have about a 6" stubby flap, not cuz im worried about overheating or anything but cuz the VE bumper on my m7 looks very gay without somewhat of a flap. like you said to each his own.
Both my Ms have ran full length snow flaps but back in the day I had a 03 F7 151. After a day of trenching which is what the Fcat was great at and noticing every time that if you dug the snow out from under the flap the sled would drop 6"s. I took the knife out sliced the flap in half and I could go further before getting stuck although when I did the trenches were deeper. We did the same thing on a friends similar setup with the same results.
I think the type of flap and how its mounted makes a difference but its easy to understand. Its no different then why running boards are tapered narrower in the back and why many of the new sleds and most mod sleds have cut away rear ends of there tunnels less to hang up in the snow. On my new M it doesn't matter for people behind if the flaps on or not anyway. The flap seems to have taken a set to sticking straight back all the time.
I think the type of flap and how its mounted makes a difference but its easy to understand. Its no different then why running boards are tapered narrower in the back and why many of the new sleds and most mod sleds have cut away rear ends of there tunnels less to hang up in the snow. On my new M it doesn't matter for people behind if the flaps on or not anyway. The flap seems to have taken a set to sticking straight back all the time.
I think CRACK is way better than only having 55mph of track speed...
no flap = less snow pulled up into the tunnel = less hp to turn the track maybe only saving 1 or 2 hp but that is at the track not the engine . So if you can get rid of the flap without heating up I would do it free hp , a little here a little there can add up fast . If you think snow moving back up in the tunnel don't make any difference then why did the factory's give you more tunnel clearance . Just my 2cents
Factories needed more tunnel clearance due to the larger tracks we are all now running and also the stock pre-studded tracks that you can buy.
To counter your logic of less snow in the tunnel = more HP, what if I said that less snow in the tunnel means more friction on the sliders and clips, and would take more HP to turn the track due to the added friction. So anything that you gained by having less snow in the tunnel, you now just lost due to increased friction.
There is no such thing as "free" HP.
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Gone Sleddin
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I believe the title says "Snow flaps suck in POW!" he doesnt talk about it being better in spring conditions or riding the trails, simply better in powder snow conditions. he rides a short track and that is what he is talking about. short track sleds generally do not have the the cooling issues that long tracks do because the cooler isnt 3' above the track on that big long extension. short track sleds generally dont have the kicked up, tapered tunnel extension to get rid of some of that snow either. anyone who has ridden a short track in deep snow knows it does a whole lot better without a flap. it works better for him. if you dont like it, leave you flap on and get off his back.
?????? LOL - what??
Guess you should re-read my response and read the one I quoted. I don't really care what people do with their flaps. chop it off, leave it on, roll it up and smoke it...seriously man, I could care less.....I gave me experience for my sled, never said that I'm better than someone else for having one. Some guys don't like their flap, some do. Some guys like "curvy" girls, some don't.
Say what you want, short track or long track, out west in the super hard spring mornings at lower elevations, no sled can get cooling, the snow is like a brick. When you get to elevation though, you can be riding in 2 feet of fresh powder in April. As much as I would love to have a detachable flap for once I'm able to get off the trail into the deep stuff where cooling is a non-issue, I'm not going to start dissecting my sled every time snow conditions change.
But taking your snow flap off does not = free HP.
Are you serious???
If the snowflap was holding the back of the machine up would it really trench????? To me it sounds more like the rider sucks in POW. Now don't take that too personal this is a message board right........
If the snowflap was holding the back of the machine up would it really trench????? To me it sounds more like the rider sucks in POW. Now don't take that too personal this is a message board right........
