First off you better leave my name out of this ghost. I had a boondocker last year and it was a pos. How my name got thrown into this subject is beyond me. I don't think any of these kits a perfect. If your not willing to have some headaches leave them stock. Have fun with the customer service over there at bd.
Silber Dobek to boondocker control box
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ghost rider
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That's my bad it was a typo and has been fixed. I meant Liv4turbo
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jsandgren10
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So what was the cause of 3 burned up Turbos and 3 motors? Turbo shouldn't burn down with proper cooling and lubrication. What were the engine issues? Detonation, burn hole in piston? What boost levels, fuel were used? Just curious since you are first to talk about a burned up silber turbo let alone 6.
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TurboMatt
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I'm curious to hear about the details as well.
Oh and jsandgren10: you can add me to the list of failed motors with Silber turbos.
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jeepin270
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Silber burned down
2 top ends burned down. Brought my sled to one of the best tuners on east coast he said only problem was the mapping in my box. Justin made me a new map. I haven't ever had a problem with my box getting moisture in it, nor have I ever done anything to prevent moisture getting in it. I can also vouch for dobek having great Customer service.
2 top ends burned down. Brought my sled to one of the best tuners on east coast he said only problem was the mapping in my box. Justin made me a new map. I haven't ever had a problem with my box getting moisture in it, nor have I ever done anything to prevent moisture getting in it. I can also vouch for dobek having great Customer service.
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champyfz450
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Turbomatt, in your attempt to sell your silber turbo kit you clearly state that the kit was not at fault in your engine failure. However, your post here states that you can "be added to the list of blown engines with Silber turbos". Do you believe your engine failed due to the turbo kit or not? Just asking.
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jsandgren10
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I remember you having idle issues from the beginning, and couldn't figure it out so you just manually turned the idle down from 3000rpm to spec. Something was wrong with your sled from start of install so I don't classify yours as being turbo related.
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ghost rider
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3 turbos on one sled(installed by Silber). I'm sure it's a power problem to oil pump but everything has power at idle and everything electrically checks out. Another two with top ends slightly due to det but locked up when riding at low rpms. Due to fuel mapping in my opinion(not Dobek box). All the Silbers when hot and at elevation I've ridden don't idle very well.
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jeepin270
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Seriously... Some of the best riders in the world ride boondocker. I doubt that the sleds u together will out perform Dan Adams sleds. If it wasn't for boondocker we probably wouldn't have a Polaris turbo section on snowest.
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I doubt anyone can build these kits with a zero % failure rate. Lots to look at here, I am sure Justin is standing behind his product and will make sure he doesnt have any issues. Oh and Justin drives over a 1000 miles to W Yellowstone but you cant drive a few hours from Idaho Falls because you want help. Come on you just expect him to drive to your house to look at your sled. He has told me a number of times when we have been out west at the same time to give him a call so we can hook up if I have any issues, I certainly wouldnt expect him to drop what he is doing and come to me. There are a bunch of kits out there that are running great with his stock settings and those peeps are very happy. Remember he sold over 150 kits for these sleds. I think we have a good over all fuel map/settings or he would have had other settings available by now. I am sure he isnt in W Yellowstone just riding around I would bet he is working everyday to improve what we have. As I am sure if he finds a better map/setting for the kit we have he will be the first to come on here to let us all in on it. Sorry for the long rant, he has great customer service and I felt the need to step up and give my opinion.
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ghost rider
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The silber customers I'm speaking of did drive 4 hrs to W Yellowstone taking 2 to 3 days off work to visit Justin and have sleds tuned
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dmj1
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silber turbo working great
I have over 2200 kms boosted !!
-still stock pistons (will change this summer)
-I only adjust the blue setting when at elivation
-I have been running 12-13 lbs on straight 100LL
-8200rpm 80gram /pink primary
- ride from 4000'-8000' some days up to 4' deep of fresh
-never a control box problam
have spilt fuel ,water, snow ect all over it .
I have realy enjoy riding this set up and brings a smile ever time.
But ! one must!
- know how to tune
-know how the box works!
-I have seen someone once bashing a turbo company
left right and center over a run problem. (Seemed like a box fueling issue)
I offered to help and as it turned out it was a bad spark plug cap!
Up and running as good as new in 10 min.
I always carry extra part
plugs. plug caps,boost hose,springs, extra primary spring.ect...
It would such to loose a day of riding over a plug cap od broken spring lol!
any how just my to cents
I have over 2200 kms boosted !!
-still stock pistons (will change this summer)
-I only adjust the blue setting when at elivation
-I have been running 12-13 lbs on straight 100LL
-8200rpm 80gram /pink primary
- ride from 4000'-8000' some days up to 4' deep of fresh
-never a control box problam
have spilt fuel ,water, snow ect all over it .
I have realy enjoy riding this set up and brings a smile ever time.
But ! one must!
- know how to tune
-know how the box works!
-I have seen someone once bashing a turbo company
left right and center over a run problem. (Seemed like a box fueling issue)
I offered to help and as it turned out it was a bad spark plug cap!
Up and running as good as new in 10 min.
I always carry extra part
plugs. plug caps,boost hose,springs, extra primary spring.ect...
It would such to loose a day of riding over a plug cap od broken spring lol!
any how just my to cents
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jeepin270
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But ! one must!
- know how to tune
-know how the box works!
-I have seen someone once bashing a turbo company
left right and center over a run problem. (Seemed like a box fueling issue)
I offered to help and as it turned out it was a bad spark plug cap!
Up and running as good as new in 10 min.
I always carry extra part
plugs. plug caps,boost hose,springs, extra primary spring.ect...
It would such to loose a day of riding over a plug cap od broken spring lol!
any how just my to cents
I carry what u carry for parts plus brand new V.R. ECU pipe sensor and a complete set of orings. Where I ride it would take a helicopter to get my sled out of the woods. I try to be prepared as possible. It sucks that Polaris couldn't put out a more reliable sled. I blew my sled up the first year when it was brand new and completely stock. I thought it would be more reliable with a turbo and a good fuel controller. After 2 yrs of bull**** with bad mapping and the wrong clutch springs it finally running great. I stuck with the dobek box because it is a great fuel controller if u have the righ mapping.
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tfry
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????????? video ?????????????
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EZmoney
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Alot of crap you read on here are self inflicted problems, guys dont know how to adjust fuel where needed. Guys also blame the box when they have other issues with the machine. Then you got pages about a bog a stumble Then.. "oh wait guys never mind my tps is out"
"ohhh not enough octane and i have a boost leak" ect.. Bd does make a good box but if some of you cant tune a dobec good luck with a bd but If you know what your doing with a bd box it will run great! A dobec can fail but ive had good luck so far
"ohhh not enough octane and i have a boost leak" ect.. Bd does make a good box but if some of you cant tune a dobec good luck with a bd but If you know what your doing with a bd box it will run great! A dobec can fail but ive had good luck so far
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ShaneO
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We have three and one motor has gone down. Not sure why yet. The other two have box problems. One will run fine foe a wHile until we assume it gets wet and goes into flood the engine mode and will barely run. Mine works until last weekend when it would turn the blue boost light on all the time, but ran ok. It also has some lights that occasionally don't work. This one has a reallly bad flat spot just befor the boost comes and falls on it's face. This makes it really yard to ride the trees. I amm not convinced on the dobek box. I think the quality and fit of the kit is reattach, but not sure on the electronics yet.
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barry1me
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1 Silber burn down in Cooke city 1/8/12
I ran into a guy at cooke that was being pulled back into town that burnt down his Silber 2011 PRO RMK. I tried to see if I could help out but he seemed pretty pissed so I let him be. He said he was running 7lbs and 70% AV and 30%pump.
I ran into a guy at cooke that was being pulled back into town that burnt down his Silber 2011 PRO RMK. I tried to see if I could help out but he seemed pretty pissed so I let him be. He said he was running 7lbs and 70% AV and 30%pump.
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ShaneO
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We have three and one motor has gone down. Not sure why yet. The other two have box problems. One will run fine foe a while until we assume it gets wet and goes into flood the engine mode and will barely run. Mine works until last weekend when it would turn the blue boost light on all the time, but ran ok. It also has some lights that occasionally don't work. This one has a reallly bad flat spot just before the boost comes and falls on it's face. This makes it really hard to ride the trees. I am not convinced on the dobek box. I think the quality and fit of the kit is good, but not sure on the electronics yet.
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standup06
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My Dobeck Box
I have owned a few silber setups in the past few years and have had great sucess with everything. I will aggree there are some issues that are minor that need to be address and I would assume they are being working on.
As for my Dobeck controllers with the Silber Kit, I have seen the blue light issue only if I start the sled when the exhaust is completely plugged up with snow and causes to much back pressure in the pipe. Mapping is very good for a 2 stroke turbo, I have yet to see a better running setup if tuned properly on a PRO.
There are many factors that can cause issues with a turbo kit or control box, with the way a dobeck box works, its very important to have your TPS setting correctly. If not it can make the box activate modes that are not intended for that RPM range, as the box is referencing pulse width, and making adjustments. To the best of my knowledge. Maybe Justin can chime in.
I met up with Silber and his guys out west and rode with them. I will be completely honest. I dont think your can find a better test crew for his products. Also Justin himself can tune like no other, I seen him help a customer that claimed had all these issues and faulty parts, Within 500 feet Justin had his sled running tip top and he never touched it the rest of the day he tagged along with his group. The customer was in shock that it only took a few minor adjustments and thats all it was.
As for his testing, I watched him completely torcher sleds. Brand new 2012's like you think they would have stoled them. I asked Justin why they do certain things, his response was you never know how a customer is going to treat his sled so we have to abuse them. They will hold them pinned to the bar for mile long pulls, when they get stuck Justin insist they get out by them selves and encourages his guys to keep the sleds held WOT free spinning the track until they come out. This is the first time I have even seen anything like this. I watched as 3 turbo sleds sat in a creek bottom being held WOT for minutes at a time trying to get unstuck. And they just laughing the whole time. No to mention they do some serious tight tree riding, I laugh when I read that people think turbos are not tree ridable. He also went out a couple of the nights for long trail rides to get miles on and make sure they are trail ridable without burn downs, he was honest and tells you to vary the throttle during cruise type conditions. I know alot has to do with the rider but these setups do work when setup correctly. I personally would drive to ride with Silber if you were having any issues he can teach you alot, and is alot easier to under stand in person while riding.
I have asked them about water issues with the box, After watching Justin pour his whole bottle of water into the controller case, I dont think this is an issue, Justin claims water can enter the boost hole and freeze which will cause issues.
I feel most issues are caused by lack of knowledge about turbos and 2 strokes. For now Iam sticking with my turbo kit and Dobeck box.
I have owned a few silber setups in the past few years and have had great sucess with everything. I will aggree there are some issues that are minor that need to be address and I would assume they are being working on.
As for my Dobeck controllers with the Silber Kit, I have seen the blue light issue only if I start the sled when the exhaust is completely plugged up with snow and causes to much back pressure in the pipe. Mapping is very good for a 2 stroke turbo, I have yet to see a better running setup if tuned properly on a PRO.
There are many factors that can cause issues with a turbo kit or control box, with the way a dobeck box works, its very important to have your TPS setting correctly. If not it can make the box activate modes that are not intended for that RPM range, as the box is referencing pulse width, and making adjustments. To the best of my knowledge. Maybe Justin can chime in.
I met up with Silber and his guys out west and rode with them. I will be completely honest. I dont think your can find a better test crew for his products. Also Justin himself can tune like no other, I seen him help a customer that claimed had all these issues and faulty parts, Within 500 feet Justin had his sled running tip top and he never touched it the rest of the day he tagged along with his group. The customer was in shock that it only took a few minor adjustments and thats all it was.
As for his testing, I watched him completely torcher sleds. Brand new 2012's like you think they would have stoled them. I asked Justin why they do certain things, his response was you never know how a customer is going to treat his sled so we have to abuse them. They will hold them pinned to the bar for mile long pulls, when they get stuck Justin insist they get out by them selves and encourages his guys to keep the sleds held WOT free spinning the track until they come out. This is the first time I have even seen anything like this. I watched as 3 turbo sleds sat in a creek bottom being held WOT for minutes at a time trying to get unstuck. And they just laughing the whole time. No to mention they do some serious tight tree riding, I laugh when I read that people think turbos are not tree ridable. He also went out a couple of the nights for long trail rides to get miles on and make sure they are trail ridable without burn downs, he was honest and tells you to vary the throttle during cruise type conditions. I know alot has to do with the rider but these setups do work when setup correctly. I personally would drive to ride with Silber if you were having any issues he can teach you alot, and is alot easier to under stand in person while riding.
I have asked them about water issues with the box, After watching Justin pour his whole bottle of water into the controller case, I dont think this is an issue, Justin claims water can enter the boost hole and freeze which will cause issues.
I feel most issues are caused by lack of knowledge about turbos and 2 strokes. For now Iam sticking with my turbo kit and Dobeck box.
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