Shooting at Fort Hood

Weekday Warrior · Nov 6, 2009

Weekday Warrior said:
To me this guy, the shooter, was more like one of those kids that pack a gun to school and start shooting everyone.
I don't view it as a religious thing per se; perhaps it was the trigger though. I don't think it reflects on the Muslim religion as a whole, I don't think it was terrorism either.
I don't think he was some kinda plant by the WH, that is retarded and ignorant.
One thing these shooters all seem to have in commen is they throw out warning signs, but no one is able to pick up on them and connect the dots.

abominable snowman said:
Wow, you are either very young, very dumb and or just love Kool Aid. It is people with thinking like YOURS that have allowed this country to be flooded with our enemies, the Muslims, every last one of them is an enemy of the United States and none of them should stand inside the borders of this country.

All I see here is blind, ignorant hatred.

Again, tell me how this is so much different than Columbine? There one of the shooters was Jewish, perhaps we should be Jew hating? The other shooter was *gasp* a Lutheran!

Or how about Charles Witman? That ring a bell? A Marine, A Catholic who kills 14 people and wounds 32 others. We hate Catholics? Marines?

The list goes on and on, perhaps you should read some of it.

I'll tell you what our enemy is, IGNORANCE

Ignorance you so elequently show in your post.

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ruffryder · Nov 6, 2009

Weekday Warrior said:
All I see here is blind, ignorant hatred.

I'll tell you what our enemy is, IGNORANCE

Ignorance you so elequently show in your post.

Good on you!!

thomps33 · Nov 6, 2009

duffman said:
There are certainly muslims that desire peace and harmony, but they are definitely not in charge now, nor have they been for any significant period in history. To say that in general islam is a peaceful religion is foolhardy, and is definitely not supported by historical fact.

The same thing could be said for Christianity. You can't be lumping these people in one big group.
There are many peaceful Islamic countries; Malaysia, Turkey, Qatar, Kuwait and Baharain. You need to keep in mind we are basically fighting a couple of sects. These sects are even terrorizing Muslims countries. Hell, even Pakistan is retaliating and fighting these sects.

blue fluff · Nov 6, 2009

One of the victims Hassan shot was a pregnant soldier.
And Hassan was on Obama's National Security Panel last year.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.co...d-by-fort-hood-killer-screaming-allahu-akbar/

searcher11 · Nov 6, 2009

No f(*kin way (1) lone shooter could shoot 41 military people with just (2) pistols
something stinks about this report... all the facts are not being told. What an awful thing to have happen in this country... we "commoners" as obama calls U.S., will never
know the truth though...they(obama admin & cronies) think we are all just sheep..
fboa

previous member · Nov 6, 2009

Ignorance is definitely a problem. I see that in those that don't think Muslims are our enemy. I wonder how many of you Muslim lovers have served in the Military, I doubt any of you have. Therein lies the problem of ignorance of who the bad guys are. Regardless if you Muslim lovers agree with my opinion or not, I do have the right to my opinion and unlike you Muslim lovers I have EARNED my right to my opinion about these types of subjects by actually putting my life on the line, literally, for this country. Probably before any of you Muslim lovers were even born. :beer;

previous member · Nov 6, 2009

It is almost comical how you Muslim loving Liberals are all for everyone being entitled to their own opinions UNLESS you object to it.

My daughter works for the SS and has in fact helped protect Obama on several occasions. She says it is overwhelmingly Liberals who cause the most problems. Amazing isn't it.

The mind of a Liberal is hard for a rational person to understand.

Burndown1 · Nov 6, 2009

thomps33 said:
The same thing could be said for Christianity. You can't be lumping these people in one big group.
There are many peaceful Islamic countries; Malaysia, Turkey, Qatar, Kuwait and Baharain. You need to keep in mind we are basically fighting a couple of sects. These sects are even terrorizing Muslims countries. Hell, even Pakistan is retaliating and fighting these sects.

I can lump them into any group that I want to. Like I said would you trust them with your life. Not me. You , thomps33 I bet you read the koran. You can't be trusted. Go strap a bomb on yourself and do the rest of a favor.

ruffryder · Nov 7, 2009

abominable snowman said:
I do have the right to my opinion and unlike you Muslim lovers I have EARNED my right to my opinion

which part of the constitution is that? LMAO

Weekday Warrior · Nov 7, 2009

abominable snowman said:
Ignorance is definitely a problem. I see that in those that don't think Muslims are our enemy. I wonder how many of you Muslim lovers have served in the Military, I doubt any of you have. Therein lies the problem of ignorance of who the bad guys are. Regardless if you Muslim lovers agree with my opinion or not, I do have the right to my opinion and unlike you Muslim lovers I have EARNED my right to my opinion about these types of subjects by actually putting my life on the line, literally, for this country. Probably before any of you Muslim lovers were even born.

If you substituted "Muslim" for radical Jihadists, then we'd be on the same page. Perhaps I just havn't tipped over the edge quite as far as you lol

previous member · Nov 7, 2009

Well Weekday, you don't have to know any Muslims in order to support them. The thing is, you can't trust any of them and maybe I got that feeling planted in me by my service in Vietnam because over there you could not trust any of the gooks at all. You just never knew. We stayed alive, some of us, due to the fact we did NOT trust anyone. I guess that is a concept many dont' understand in this politically correct country and a concept those who have never been in combat with an armed enemy wouldn't understand either.

Ruffryder, I believe the constitution gives all Americans the right to their opinion or is it just the Liberals that have that right. I guess I'll have to check on that prior to expressing my opinions again. ha ha

You certainly have no respect for Veterans but that is typical with a lot of Liberals who are too chicken s.h.i.t to have served in the Military themselves. You know, whimps like you who survive off the sacrifices of real men. :beer;

searcher11 · Nov 7, 2009

for A.S. , You hit it right on the head..ex vietnam vet also, trust no other mf)()(kr
you don't know to the soul, but we also have a muslim pres, who gives a chit whether
we like what he does or not WE ARE DO WHAT HE SAYS, Not,... country is in for rough time with libbies who don't know their own f0&&kn) name. times are gonna change though as the sheep maybe have awakened from their sleep
www.oathkeepers.org

milehighassassin · Nov 7, 2009

duffman said:
I am no religious scholar by any means, but the way I undersand it is a primary tenant of the Koran is destroying/overthrowing non-muslims (infadels) by any means possible. Maybe someone more informed than me can expand on this or provide proper reference.

Even if if this attitude is not expoused in the Koran, the sheer number and behaviour of the modern day fanatics that practice this religion should be enough to lift an eyebrow. There are certainly muslims that desire peace and harmony, but they are definitely not in charge now, nor have they been for any significant period in history. To say that in general islam is a peaceful religion is foolhardy, and is definitely not supported by historical fact.

This is not what the Quran teaches. The Muslim religion is as peaceful as any other religion. The guys you read about going Jihad are the extremist, the Christian equivalent of the mother that drowns her children because "god" told her to.

Every religion has whackos. The Muslim religion does not teach violence, nor condone it.

Weekday Warrior · Nov 7, 2009

Check this out

http://www.actforamerica.org/

watch the welcome vid, About half way she says something very interesting.

blue fluff · Nov 7, 2009

Copied from another thread - felt it was relevant here because there are a multitude of quotes from the Koran.

By D.L. Adams
The negative spiritual and intellectual consequence of believing two mutually exclusive concepts is "cognitive dissonance." Our interaction as a society with Islam is a direct cause of "cognitive dissonance" for us as individuals and as a culture.

Resolution of the contradiction requires the rejection of one of the concepts as false. If we continue to ignore our cognitive dissonance about Islam the consequences are dire: we will lose our civilization.

Islam is much more than a religion; it is a complete civilization that includes politics (caliphate), jurisprudence (Sharia law), war (jihad), and a deliberately misleading "religion of peace." The doctrine of Islam is found in three books: Koran (the literal word of Allah as "revealed" to Mohammed), Sira (Mohammad's biography), and Hadith (stories about and sayings of Mohammed by contemporaries). The definitive text of Sharia law is "Reliance of the Traveller." Allah and Mohammed are to be obeyed, not questioned. "Islam" means "submission;" a Muslim is "one who submits." "Islam" does not mean "peace."

Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers. (Koran,3:32)

O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Apostle and do not turn back from Him while you hear. (Koran, 8:20)

O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (Koran, 9:123)

The purpose of the Islamic doctrine is the destruction of all cultures that are not Islamic and expansion of Islam until the entire world is under Islamic rule and Sharia law.

O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort. (Koran, 66:9)

Saed had been right about taking prisoners after the battle: take no prisoners until Islam has made all submit. They were to forget the ransom and the money, Mohammed said, because submission of the non-believers was all that mattered. (Sira:Ishaq:484 - Mohammed and the Unbelievers: A Political Life, Center for the Study of Political Islam, 2006, p.71)

And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. (Koran, 2:193)

It is difficult for many to accept that such an ideology can be real and that people kill and die for it; we see the truth of Islam in word and deed but pretend that it is not so. According to Sharia law (Islamic law) Islam abrogates, that is "cancels," all other religions.

Previously revealed religions were valid in their own eras, as is attested to by many verses of the Holy Koran, but were abrogated by the universal message of Islam as is equally attested to by many verses of the Koran.

...It is unbelief (kufr) to hold that the remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions, such as "Christianity" or "Judaism," are acceptable to Allah Most High after He has sent the final Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace) to the entire world. (Reliance of the Traveller, w4.0(2))

Our national cognitive dissonance began immediately after 9/11 when President George Bush visited the Islamic Center of Washington on September 17, 2001, and said, "Islam is peace." President Obama has reiterated this misperception of Islam specifically in his recent speech of apology in Cairo to the "Muslim World."

The contradiction of Islam upon which our cognitive dissonance is based is this: Islam is benevolent and peaceful, and Islam is violent and hostile. Both positions cannot be true.

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (Koran:9:29)

You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority. (Koran, 4:91)

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah 's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" (Bukhari, Hadith, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196)

The majority of the doctrine of Islam is about how Muslims are to interact with non-Muslims; it is essentially about - us. Statistical analysis of the doctrine of Islam by Dr. Bill Warner of the Center for the Study of Political Islam is enlightening:

* 62% of Koran is devoted to how Islam interacts with the kafir (the unbeliever).
* 98% of the Sira is devoted to the struggle against kafirs. (70% is jihad; 28% is argument and insults.)
* 20% of Bukhari Hadith is devoted to jihad.

The evidence to resolve our societal cognitive dissonance about Islam is readily available and painfully obvious.

Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. (Koran, 98:6)

Islamist mass murderers and terrorists/jihadists are not "hijackers of Islam," they are not "misunderstanders" of Islam; they are the devout followers of a political ideology that is hostile to our existence because we are not Muslims.

We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust. (Koran, 3:151)

Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due (jizya tax), then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Koran, 9:5)

The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) which is under a cloud of suspicion (see "Muslim Mafia" by P. David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry) has been the leading espouser of Islamic "understanding" in America. CAIR's mission statement that it is "to be a leading advocate for justice and mutual understanding" is not, according to their founder, their true purpose.

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Khosrau will be ruined, and there will be no Khosrau after him, and Caesar will surely be ruined and there will be no Caesar after him, and you will spend their treasures in Allah's Cause." He called, ‘War is deceit'. (Bukhari, Hadith, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 267)

CAIR's founder, Omar Ahmad, said in 1998 that "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." (San Ramon, CA., Valley Herald, 7/04/1998.)

So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour. (Koran, 25:52)

If our culture and society are to survive we must accept the truth of the world and of Islam though it is not what we would prefer.

Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not. (Koran, 2:216)

Our cognitive dissonance will be resolved only with honesty and knowledge. Islam is not a "religion of peace." If we are unsuccessful in resolving the cognitive dissonance which results from our confused view of Islam we will lose our civilization.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/resolving_the_cognitive_disson.html

ruffryder · Nov 8, 2009

abominable snowman said:
You certainly have no respect for Veterans but that is typical with a lot of Liberals who are too chicken s.h.i.t to have served in the Military themselves. You know, whimps like you who survive off the sacrifices of real men.

I got lots of respect for veterans.. Just not much for people like you that think they are better then everyone else because they have served. People I know that have served, think that attitude is pathetic, and disgraceful. But, to each there own I guess.

ruffryder · Nov 8, 2009

blue fluff said:
Copied from another thread

no really? You copy and paste? haha

Looks like a puff peace to me.... Wow, picking apart the discrepancies and fallacious of a religion and putting it all together to get a certain view of it.

Blah, you could do that with every religion... well except Buddhism and Taoism.

MTm7 · Nov 8, 2009

ruffryder said:
no really? You copy and paste? haha

Looks like a puff peace to me.... Wow, picking apart the discrepancies and fallacious of a religion and putting it all together to get a certain view of it.

Blah, you could do that with every religion... well except Buddhism and Taoism.

wow what's it like being above the frey...the sole arbiter of truth and fallacy!

the only puff piece is you! if its not information you post up it cant be legit...all the ruminations of ruffy are the standard now... as declared by him! carry on but just run it by ruffy for anything erroneous first! LOL... blah! what say you mr. sanctimonious!?!?!?!?!

ruffryder · Nov 8, 2009

MTm7 said:
wow what's it like being above the frey...the sole arbiter of truth and fallacy!

the only puff piece is you! if its not information you post up it cant be legit...all the ruminations of ruffy are the standard now... as declared by him! carry on but just run it by ruffy for anything erroneous first! LOL... blah! what say you mr. sanctimonious!?!?!?!?!

that is what you got out of my post? Wow, seems like you jump the gun a little. If you read it again, don't you get the point that I DID think it was factual? That stuff is true, though, my point was that a similar type of article can be written about pretty much any religion.

Wow, fanatics taking religion too far, who would of thought.

One might want to read my posts a little more carefully before you get on the ruffybashwagon. lol

previous member · Nov 8, 2009

ruffryder said:
I got lots of respect for veterans.. Just not much for people like you that think they are better then everyone else because they have served. People I know that have served, think that attitude is pathetic, and disgraceful. But, to each there own I guess.

So, you say, "I got lots of respect for veterans" and "But, to each (there) own I guess"

Your education and intelligence level is duly noted. That explains a lot.

You go ahead and continue to express yourself and enjoy the freedom that real men have given you, the ones with the attitude you don't like. LMAO

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