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MAC29
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***Safeway #2 Diesel***
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Correct.
That does shed light to what the mechanics said about Scotts truck
The economy is at a halt and we worry about who has the best petro
Next I say we solve world hunger right after we are done solving medical benefits for everyone. Thats only if the pineapple express is hoovering thru the passes, cause we all will have some extra time on our hands if its raining right....
"Seblantics!" Of course solvents clean but the key word is dirt, contamination, etc.
So 20 years ago when my racors got plugged from dirt/contaminates on my boat it was the solvent effect of the futuristic bio-diesel and not dirty/contaminated fuel??
So if it's not dirty fuel, where does the
come from?
Some facts on chevy duramax
I can tell you first hand when safeway came out with there bio diesel about a year ago, most of it was 20% bio, yes it plugged up filters and made for a lot of trouble for gm dealers untill some wizard at GM figured it out.. GM issued a bulletin to run nothing more than 5% in the duramax. I've been told by other service managers from ford and dodge that they have the same bulletin. A lot of my riding buddies and my self all have chevy diesels, we buy fuel all over and we are all having filter problems earlier than they should, Were are buying "dirty" fuel no matter where you buy it, from what I can tell. I did use the shell bio from the north bend station and I can honestly say my mileage on the last tank dropped almost 2 mpg's. I have the gm bulletin at my desk if anyone wants to see it.
I can tell you first hand when safeway came out with there bio diesel about a year ago, most of it was 20% bio, yes it plugged up filters and made for a lot of trouble for gm dealers untill some wizard at GM figured it out.. GM issued a bulletin to run nothing more than 5% in the duramax. I've been told by other service managers from ford and dodge that they have the same bulletin. A lot of my riding buddies and my self all have chevy diesels, we buy fuel all over and we are all having filter problems earlier than they should, Were are buying "dirty" fuel no matter where you buy it, from what I can tell. I did use the shell bio from the north bend station and I can honestly say my mileage on the last tank dropped almost 2 mpg's. I have the gm bulletin at my desk if anyone wants to see it.
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modsledr
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So do you have to make an effort to be a d!ck, or does it come natural?
I'm typing real slow, so you can comprehend...
yes, all fuel has contaminates, most of which gets caught in the filters and there is no problem as long as you change your filters at regular intervals. Some of the contaminates also get deposited throughout the fuel system, where it remains for the life of the vehicle. Biodiesel acts as a solvent and releases these contaminates in short order, causing the filters to become plugged or gummed up.
Is that enough of a picture for you??
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Yamamauler
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I run Safeway on a regular basis, no issues.
Save a few cents at Safeway to off-set the AV gas bill.....
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Save a few cents at Safeway to off-set the AV gas bill.....
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like I said before, Safeway fuel is all I use and I have never had a problem, and it's really nice when i get the 10 cents off.
like I said before, Safeway fuel is all I use and I have never had a problem, and it's really nice when i get the 10 cents off.
I run Safeway on a regular basis, no issues.
Save a few cents at Safeway to off-set the AV gas bill.....
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yea save a few cents and kill the local economy......
My favorite gas station GONE 3 months after Safeway openend pumps down the street....now if I was to fuel there I would be in line like all the guys a costco and NO SERVICE and if you tempt to pull in you will get blocked in by all the guys trying to save 1.13 on their fill up....
SHOP AT WALLMART TOO
Wow, sure got your feathers ruffled. Having a bad day? Tried to have a little fun with ya and you take it personal. I thought we were buds. I'll have to remember in the future to not point it out when you insert your foot into your mouth.
You stated:
I was simply asking why is there dirt in the filters and the fuel system if the fuel isn't dirty. Is the dirt coming from an outside influence?
Since you're the expert, are you telling me that my oem fuel filter that had less than 4,000 miles on it that was plugged like a mudslide is due to the solvents in the bio fuel and the dirt/contaminates would've in the past (before bio fuel) been the same amount and just stayed in the tank?
Mr. Johnson's statement is exactly what I see in the professional automotive world also.
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modsledr
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If all you are doing is trying to "have a little fun" then dont come across as such a condescending a$$. You weren't "simply asking"...but nice spin.
I never claimed to be an expert. Your experiences with fuel in the past has nothing to do with bio diesel and it's effect on a fuel system. again, nice spin.
The solvent properties of bio also act on other components in the fuel system (different rubber, gaskets, etc...) and disolve those as well. Because it can be acidic, it also corrodes certain metals and that particulate matter ends up in the filters.
And yes, any given tank of fuel at the station (any station) can be contaminated. That's what filters are for.
So... I'm a condescending a$$ and a D!ck? It sounds like the personal shots you feel you need to take are are simply showng that you are a sore loser and necessary on your part when someone points out that your statement isn't correct. Or maybe because another professional expert disagreed with your statement you're upset and feel the need to call people names. I thought name calling was done and over after my childhood. There are treatment options out there.
Exactly!!! I was pointing out filters were restricting from contamination long before bio-fuel was even thought of. Glad we agree!! But how is that a "nice spin"?
My question in my 2nd post and also asked in my 3rd post of this thread...
Is this not asking a question? I thought when a ? ended in a sentence that it was a question. Please elaborate how this was a "nice spin"
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modsledr
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So... I'm a condescending a$$ and a D!ck? It sounds like the personal shots you feel you need to take are are simply showng that you are a sore loser and necessary on your part when someone points out that your statement isn't correct. Or maybe because another professional expert disagreed with your statement you're upset and feel the need to call people names. I thought name calling was done and over after my childhood. There are treatment options out there.
Exactly!!! I was pointing out filters were restricting from contamination long before bio-fuel was even thought of. Glad we agree!! But how is that a "nice spin"?
My question in my 2nd post and also asked in my 3rd post of this thread...
Is this not asking a question? I thought when a ? ended in a sentence that it was a question. Please elaborate how this was a "nice spin"
You obviously came onto this thread to bash me...are you actually going to bring something productive to the table? Or just give your best effort to try to spin everything your way??
I was answering a specific post...making a general statement about why bio clogs filters.
I've asked a question and you didn't answer it. You started name calling instead. I didn't come into this thread to "Bash" you. You're way too sensitive. You're reading much more into this than what is really there. Sometimes, it really is just a question.
The point of what I and one other person was trying to convey is the quality of the fuel today is of much poorer quality than it used to be. The bio-fuel and ethanol additives have allowed the oil companies to put out an inferior quality of fuel. Add in over the last few years the huge price increases and the fuel has gotten worse. The quality of fuel is not monitored only the quantity at the pump. It could be water for all the state cares unless it has it's bio and ethnol additive.
I say the fuel is dirtier than ever regardless of the biofuel and ethanol additives. How does a brand new Duramax in Mac29's post (and many others) get towed back to the dealer with fuel system issues in only 1000 miles tell you any different. I could buy your theory on a higher mileage vehicles but 1000 miles? This is more common than one might think.
Where does the dirt/contam...no wait, I already asked.
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modsledr
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questions were answered in post 26 AND 31.
this isn't a competition...you dont need to spin everything to feel you are "right".
Or how about this...you're right and I'm wrong. Now can we get back to the topic?
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Comp 670
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Interesting read.......
Here is my take as someone who buys 2000 to 3000 gal of diesel a week for all different kinds of trucks.
Bio does contain alot of solvents that "clean" out the gunk in a used fuel system and will cause filter probs for a while.That being said there is only so much "gunk" in a used system and we have found that when running bio you have to change filters more often even after the initial cycle of cleaning out the gunk in the system.So does that mean the fuel must of come out of a tank that only had bio for a short time and it is still flushing out the gunk in the storage tank?How long will it take to clean out the whole storage and delivery system?
If it truely is a cleaner fuel I have yet to see it.You would think the system would clean out pretty quick with the MILLIONS of gallons they sell a week.
As others have said it also tears up the fuel system seals,pumps,and other metal parts and that contributes to the filter probs alsn my personal F250 I am looking into getting a high capacity aftermarket filter system like on our big rigs that can go longer without plugging up before a filter change.
Unfortunately it is something we will have to live with just like the ethanol they put in the gasoline now.It's another case of the greenies thinking they are solving the worlds probs and just making it worse.
Here is my take as someone who buys 2000 to 3000 gal of diesel a week for all different kinds of trucks.
Bio does contain alot of solvents that "clean" out the gunk in a used fuel system and will cause filter probs for a while.That being said there is only so much "gunk" in a used system and we have found that when running bio you have to change filters more often even after the initial cycle of cleaning out the gunk in the system.So does that mean the fuel must of come out of a tank that only had bio for a short time and it is still flushing out the gunk in the storage tank?How long will it take to clean out the whole storage and delivery system?
If it truely is a cleaner fuel I have yet to see it.You would think the system would clean out pretty quick with the MILLIONS of gallons they sell a week.
As others have said it also tears up the fuel system seals,pumps,and other metal parts and that contributes to the filter probs als
n my personal F250 I am looking into getting a high capacity aftermarket filter system like on our big rigs that can go longer without plugging up before a filter change.Unfortunately it is something we will have to live with just like the ethanol they put in the gasoline now.It's another case of the greenies thinking they are solving the worlds probs and just making it worse.
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Comp 670
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Originally Posted by bigjb
If you do your own filter changes on a regular basis you will notice how dirty the safeway fuel is. Most of us won't run cheap gas in our $10,000 sled so why run cheap fuel in our $40,000 truck??
Originally posted by Modsledr
FYI...It is not dirty fuel, it is the solvent effect of the bio-diesel in the fuel system, causing all the existing chit in the system to free up and get into the filters.
Both of these statements are somewhat correct. Safeway fuel IS a cheaper,lower quality fuel.You get what you pay for!!It's like buying ARCO gas,it's just not as good as some of the others. Why do people spend more for race fuel? Because it is better QUALITY...
As for the solvent effect....Yes it does plug up the filters for a while when you first change over to bio.But after a while all the gunk should be out of the fuel system in the truck.We have found even after going through the "cleaning" cycle we still have to change filters out more often when running bio.So that tells me the fuel is dirtyier then the previous stuff that we were running.
We have to keep very detailed logs of our service on our trucks and you can clearly see the "cleaning cycle" in more frequent filter changes after switching to bio.After the cycle of cleaning out the gunk it never does get back to changeing the filters out on our old timeframe.The fuel is just not as good in MY opinion.
If you do your own filter changes on a regular basis you will notice how dirty the safeway fuel is. Most of us won't run cheap gas in our $10,000 sled so why run cheap fuel in our $40,000 truck??
Originally posted by Modsledr
FYI...It is not dirty fuel, it is the solvent effect of the bio-diesel in the fuel system, causing all the existing chit in the system to free up and get into the filters.
Both of these statements are somewhat correct. Safeway fuel IS a cheaper,lower quality fuel.You get what you pay for!!It's like buying ARCO gas,it's just not as good as some of the others. Why do people spend more for race fuel? Because it is better QUALITY...
As for the solvent effect....Yes it does plug up the filters for a while when you first change over to bio.But after a while all the gunk should be out of the fuel system in the truck.We have found even after going through the "cleaning" cycle we still have to change filters out more often when running bio.So that tells me the fuel is dirtyier then the previous stuff that we were running.
We have to keep very detailed logs of our service on our trucks and you can clearly see the "cleaning cycle" in more frequent filter changes after switching to bio.After the cycle of cleaning out the gunk it never does get back to changeing the filters out on our old timeframe.The fuel is just not as good in MY opinion.
kick him, he is laying down.....lol
My understanding is the solvent effect causes the fuel to be less lubricatent to the engine and components it passes thru.....so it will be way tougher on seals, piston, hoses and just about everything it touches, clean doesnt always mean better(metal to metal not good right?)...
It even has has a less energy content, which I guess why some get less MPG???
So all and all I thinking its way worse then the gunk that straight diesel leaves behind...
And doesnt bio also induce microbial growth that will also plugs filters including fuel delivery system? Now I do understand this takes time to happend so it only effects if you rig are stored in longer periods of time.
Diamonddave lecture me on this,,, Im forigner and dont understand everything as well....
My understanding is the solvent effect causes the fuel to be less lubricatent to the engine and components it passes thru.....so it will be way tougher on seals, piston, hoses and just about everything it touches, clean doesnt always mean better(metal to metal not good right?)...
It even has has a less energy content, which I guess why some get less MPG???
So all and all I thinking its way worse then the gunk that straight diesel leaves behind...
And doesnt bio also induce microbial growth that will also plugs filters including fuel delivery system? Now I do understand this takes time to happend so it only effects if you rig are stored in longer periods of time.
Diamonddave lecture me on this,,, Im forigner and dont understand everything as well....
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modsledr
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I've been told by multiple diesel tech's that due to the lower lubricating properties of low sulpher diesel (sulfer is a lubricant) that bio is a better lubricant and is actually good for the injectors. Of course, the tradeoff is the effect on other components. If you change your filters on a regular basis, the filters are the least of your worries.
I saw the insides of a fuel pump, water separator, and fuel filter housing from a rig running home-made bio (lots of impurities), and everything was corroded badly, to the point of some parts being completely dissolved away.
Commercially available bio has to be much more pure and pass testing standards, so the effect is not as pronounced. B5 would be fine if it was also combined with higher quality diesel.
Alright modsldr and diamondave....I just spent some time reading about Bio the good the bad.....its clear good made bio can be better but poorly made bio can cause severe damage. And for older trucks there are more variablies to consider(I think pre 94)...
So I came to the conclusion, Safeway is a big corporation and will go to some long length/effects to make a buck. So I will not fuel there unless its the only choice....which is already my attitude for the most part...
But what do I know I'm just dumb forigner,
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So I came to the conclusion, Safeway is a big corporation and will go to some long length/effects to make a buck. So I will not fuel there unless its the only choice....which is already my attitude for the most part...
But what do I know I'm just dumb forigner,
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