Review of KISS Coupler on 163 AXYS

[Teth-Air]

Just an update: Tried my design on my 15 Pro-Ride 163 and it fits perfectly except need to drill one hole through each rail to mount as there is webbing exactly where it needs to mount. Still not confident it will fit the 155 or 174 Yet but will look into it in the future.

 

[Sage Crusher]

I think he is saying that kevin recommends not to use any coupler with any uneven length arm suspension (stock). When you move to an even length arm setup (such as the kmod), a coupler can be used.

EXACTLY!!!!! / I have known Kevin for many years and he was not pushing his product on me-and never will- just giving the issues with unequal arms, and it makes sense as the front is trying to make the rear travel further than it can.
Still interested on the Arc if it will act the same-..

 

[sledhead9825]

I had a K mod skid with the there coupling block, it bent up the scissor as well.

 

[Dbook]

Can you not see the blocks that are bolted to the scissor? That moves the crossshaft back far enough for the limit stop to clear so you don't have to cut the stock limiter off. And secondly spreads the forces over the entire scissor and not just the back edge.

Seriously? Of course I can see the blocks in the picture, I wanted to know how this addressed the problem.

 

[Teth-Air]

Seriously? Of course I can see the blocks in the picture, I wanted to know how this addressed the problem.

Problem 1. With the KISS coupler you have to cut off the limit stop.

Problems with that: You cannot return to stock and you can gouge out the inside of your track

Fix: Move the coupler cross shaft back so the stock limiter still works, no cutting required.

Problem 2. With the KISS coupler contacting only the outside edge of the scissor, it smashes it and bends it until it breaks.

Fix: Add a spacer block to the scissor that spreads the forces over the entire face of the scissor AND and internal spacer that also spreads forces to the backside of the scissor.

Problem 3. The KISS coupler is not easy to change positions as the springs are stiff and you need to push the blocks against the springs and turn each side individually.

Fix: Rotate the entire shaft and not just the blocks. We put machine nuts and rubber backed washers on the ends of the cross shaft so you can run just snug enough so you can still turn the shaft. A added bonus of moving the shaft back was more room to get your hand in to rotate the shaft. The blocks are self leveling so turning accidentally is unlikely.

Unless you are seeing other problems I am not addressing here?

 

[tdbaugha]

I had a K mod skid with the there coupling block, it bent up the scissor as well.

I would like to see a picture of this. And what vintage of K Mod?

 

[sledhead9825]

I would like to see a picture of this. And what vintage of K Mod?

2012 Vintage. Sold the sled a few years ago, so no pics. My current sled has A Baker skid with Elkas, absolutely no problems. This year on a 17 174 going to try Exits with a Arc 3 position. It was a few years ago so maybe they have it figured out.

 

[Dbook]

Problem 1. With the KISS coupler you have to cut off the limit stop.

Problems with that: You cannot return to stock and you can gouge out the inside of your track

Fix: Move the coupler cross shaft back so the stock limiter still works, no cutting required.

Problem 2. With the KISS coupler contacting only the outside edge of the scissor, it smashes it and bends it until it breaks.

Fix: Add a spacer block to the scissor that spreads the forces over the entire face of the scissor AND and internal spacer that also spreads forces to the backside of the scissor.

Problem 3. The KISS coupler is not easy to change positions as the springs are stiff and you need to push the blocks against the springs and turn each side individually.

Fix: Rotate the entire shaft and not just the blocks. We put machine nuts and rubber backed washers on the ends of the cross shaft so you can run just snug enough so you can still turn the shaft. A added bonus of moving the shaft back was more room to get your hand in to rotate the shaft. The blocks are self leveling so turning accidentally is unlikely.

Unless you are seeing other problems I am not addressing here?

No, That's cool. Answers my questions, Thanks.