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Ready to hand over $30 billion more to GM???

redlineguy

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I am NOT, I have had it with this CRAP!!!! Let them go out!!! Some one will buy up the assets for around 1 billion and start a new CO, Why dump 50 billion into a Dinosaur!!!


DETROIT – General Motors Corp. was making final preparations Sunday for its bankruptcy protection announcement after bondholders accepted a sweetened deal, smoothing the way for the company's reorganization.

A statement from a group of large, institutional bondholders Sunday said 54 percent of GM bondholders agreed to exchange their unsecured bonds for a 10 percent stake in a newly restructured company, plus warrants to purchase a greater share later. Their acceptance is seen as critical in moving the company through bankruptcy quickly.

GM and the Treasury Department, which has been guiding the Detroit automaker toward a rescue plan that will give taxpayers more than a 70 percent stake in the company, were quiet on the bondholders' decision.

The Treasury Department must find that there is sufficient acceptance for the deal to move forward. In a previous bond exchange offer, the Treasury demanded participation of 90 percent of bondholders, representing a debt exchange of $24 billion. The current 54 percent acceptance represents only $14.6 billion, but by lining up support in advance of a bankruptcy protection filing, GM is likely to find it easier to persuade a judge to apply terms of the sweetened offer to the rest of its unsecured debt.

The company has not confirmed it will seek bankruptcy protection, but Chief Executive Officer Fritz Henderson has scheduled a news conference Monday morning in New York. President Barack Obama is also expected to give a speech addressing the Detroit automaker's fate.

The company made a huge stride toward restructuring Friday when the United Auto Workers union agreed to a cost-cutting deal, and early Saturday, Germany's finance minister said a plan was approved for Canadian auto parts maker Magna International Inc. to move ahead with a rescue of GM's Opel unit.

GM is racing to meet the government's Monday deadline to qualify for more aid. It already has received about $20 billion in government loans and could get $30 billion more to make it through what is expected to be a 60- to 90-day reorganization in bankruptcy court.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who was traveling to China, followed developments closely taking a military aircraft with the latest in communications equipment that allowed him frequent contact with Steven Rattner, head of the administration's auto task force, and Obama economic aide Lawrence Summers.

The Treasury on Thursday offered bondholders 10 percent of a newly formed GM's stock, plus warrants to buy 15 percent more to erase the debt. Last week, GM withdrew an offer of 10 percent equity after only 15 percent of the thousands of bondholders signed up.

Getting as many bondholders as possible to sign on to the offer in advance of a bankruptcy filing could help the automaker get through the court process more quickly, said Robert Gordon, head of the corporate restructuring and bankruptcy group at Clark Hill PLC in Detroit.

"The more consensus you have, the more likely it is you'll be able to move through the bankruptcy process in an expeditious fashion with less resistance," Gordon said.

In a typical Chapter 11 bankruptcy case, the company files a plan of reorganization that must be voted on by creditors. In each class of creditors, the plan would have to be approved by holders of two-thirds of the claims and a majority of the number of individual creditors who vote.

But the GM case is anything but ordinary, and it appears the company will sell some or all of its assets to a new entity that would become the new GM, rather than submit a plan to reorganize the old company.

Under a so-called Section 363 sale, the prospective buyer and seller present a fully negotiated asset purchase agreement for approval by the court.

Creditors still can lodge objections, but GM could avoid the drawn-out fights between competing creditors, such as bondholders and workers, that often occur.

Chrysler LLC, which filed for bankruptcy protection April 30, chose a similar path. A judge heard three days of testimony and arguments last week over the sale of most of Chrysler's assets to Italian carmaker Fiat Group SpA.

U.S. Judge Arthur Gonzalez is expected to approve the sale Monday, pushing Chrysler closer to its goal of a speedy exit from bankruptcy protection. But an appeal is likely from three Indiana state pension and construction funds, which invested in Chrysler debt and say the deal isn't fair. That may force Chrysler to further postpone the deal's closing.

GM's stock tumbled to the lowest price in the company's 100-year history on Friday, closing at just 75 cents after trading as low as 74 cents. In a Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization, the shares would become virtually worthless.






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What a crock of chit.
The more I see what is going on, the more I am thinking that cleaning house is the only way to get this country back on track.
 
We need a serious house cleaning in this country. Always been a chevy man but the way things are going Looks like its time for me to jump ship to the ford crew...
 
If you think about it all these "bailouts" are doing is hurting the companys that played it straight and did not leverage themselves into oblivia!!!!

DOC IS WAY TIRED OF PAYING FOR THE PARTY!!!!!
 
The financial crisis was/is just what Obama and crew need to justify the takeover of our entire financial sector and the takeover of as may privately owned companies as possible.
 
If you think about it all these "bailouts" are doing is hurting the companys that played it straight and did not leverage themselves into oblivia!!!!

That is exactly how I feel.

Ford has earned the right to be the sole surviving US automaker, and deserves to reap the benefits of that.
Ford is totally being screwed over here.
 
waht a crock of chit!!!!! just let them go under. obama is just paying the unions back for their votes......
 
Yes and by the time he gets done paying back the Latino vote, the Muslim vote, The black vote, the welfare vote, the media vote, the lawyer vote and all the others the country won't be the same.
 
WTF?

Did any of you catch the Whitehouse this weekend saying that the 50 Billion GM has been given will be repayed within 5 years?


Lets take a guess @ the big pitcure on how a broke auto co will pay back $50Billion dollars. We all know they only make money when they sell new vehicles so lets force people to buy them.

My guess is our non earth/Obama friendly gas guzzler autos will be hyper taxed when registered forcing all of us to buy the new Government Motors autos.

Any other guesses on how they could pay back $50 Bil in 5 years when its proven people are not buying?
 
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That is exactly how I feel.

Ford has earned the right to be the sole surviving US automaker, and deserves to reap the benefits of that.
Ford is totally being screwed over here.




Just wait till OB makes them build the Cars HE WANT'S them to build!!! Ford will need to go back to the unions again to compete with ObamaMotors.

I am SICK about what this A-HOLE is doing to this Country!!!:mad::mad::mad:











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NEW YORK (AP) -- General Motors filed for bankruptcy protection Monday as part of the Obama administration's plan to shrink the automaker to a sustainable size and give a majority ownership stake to the federal government.

GM's bankruptcy filing is the fourth-largest in U.S. history and the largest for an industrial company. The company said it has $172.81 billion in debt and $82.29 billion in assets.

As it reorganizes, the fallen icon of American industrial will rely on $30 billion of additional financial assistance from the Treasury Department and $9.5 billion from Canada. That's on top of about $20 billion in taxpayer money GM already has received in the form of low-interest loans.

GM will follow a similar course taken by smaller rival Chrysler LLC, which filed for protection in April. A judge gave Chrysler approval to sell most of its assets to Italy's Fiat, moving the U.S. automaker closer to a quick exit from court protection, possibly this week.

The plan is for the federal government to take a 60 percent ownership stake in the new GM. The Canadian government would take 12.5 percent, with the United Auto Workers getting a 17.5 percent share and unsecured bondholders receiving 10 percent. Existing GM shareholders are expected to be wiped out.

Albert Koch, who helped Kmart Corp. through its bankruptcy reorganization, will serve as GM's chief restructuring officer.

Administration officials, speaking on condition of anonymity in advance of Obama's public remarks, said they expect the bankruptcy court process to last 60 to 90 days. If successful, GM will emerge as a leaner company with a smaller work force, fewer plants and a trimmed dealership network.

President Barack Obama is scheduled to address the nation about GM's future at midday from Washington, and GM CEO Fritz Henderson is to follow him with a news conference in New York.

GM also revealed Monday that it will permanently close nine more plants and idle three others.

The Pontiac, Michigan, and Wilmington, Delaware, assembly plants will close this year, while plants in Spring Hill, Tennessee, and Orion, Michigan, will shut down production but remain on standby. One of the idled plants will be retooled to build a small car. For who??? Obama??

Seven powertrain and parts stamping plants will be closed starting in June 2010, while an additional stamping plant will be idled but remain in a standby capacity.

GM's filing comes 32 days after a bankruptcy filing by Chrysler, which also was hobbled by plunging sales of cars and trucks as the worst recession since the Great Depression intensified.

The sale to Fiat means Chrysler could be out of bankruptcy within the government's original timeframe of 30 to 60 days. Chrysler's plan gives a 55 percent stake of the new company to a union-run trust for retirees. Fiat gets a 20 percent stake to Fiat that can ultimately grow to 35 percent. The U.S. and Canadian governments get smaller pieces.

The third of the one-time Big Three, Ford Motor Co., has also been stung hard by the sales slump, but it avoided bankruptcy by mortgaging all of its assets in 2006 to borrow roughly $25 billion, giving it a financial cushion GM and Chrysler lacked.

GM will move forward with four core brands -- Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC -- and cut four others. The company plans to cut 21,000 employees, about 34 percent of its work force, and reduce the number of dealers by 2,600. GM said it was finalizing a deal to sell Hummer, and plans for Saturn are expected to be announced within weeks.

"There is still plenty of pain to go around, but I'm confident this is far better than the alternative," said Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat. "It's a new beginning, it's a rebirth, it's a new General Motors."

GM, whose headquarters tower over downtown Detroit, said it believed the filing was not an acknowledgment of failure, but a necessary way to cleanse itself in an orderly fashion of problems and costs that have dogged it for decades.

GM shares fell as low as 27 cents in Monday morning trading, their lowest price in the company's 100-year history. The News Corp. unit that oversees the Dow Jones industrial average said GM will be kicked out of the index on June 8 and be replaced by Cisco Systems Inc. The index's rules prohibit it from including companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

The bankruptcy filing represents a dramatic downfall for GM, which was founded in 1908 by William C. Durant, who brought several car companies under one roof and developed a strategy of "a car for every purse and purpose." Longtime leader Alfred P. Sloan built the global automaker into a corporate icon.

GM first sought help from the Bush administration and Congress last year as it was in the midst of being staggered by $30.9 billion in losses and seeing its cash resources shrink by more than $19 billion.

Consumers, worried about the economy and the future of GM, shied away from the company's cars and trucks this year even after President George W. Bush promised loans and Obama followed through with billions more in assistance -- plus a stiff set of new requirements GM was ordered to meet.

When GM failed to do so by a March 31 deadline, Obama forced out CEO Rick Wagoner "this is the USA right?? and replaced him with Henderson.

Wagoner served at the helm since 2000 and was the face of GM when he first flew on the company jet to ask Congress for aid. After a firestorm of negative publicity, Wagoner rode in a hybrid Chevrolet Malibu from Detroit to Washington for a second set of withering questions before lawmakers.

But that amounted to only a sideshow as the automaker's financial position worsened. Its revenues plunged almost 50 percent in the quarter ended March 30 and it racked up another $6 billion in losses.

The Henderson-led GM faced a government-imposed June 1 deadline to restructure, slash costs and modify contracts with its union and dealers. But meeting most of those demands, plus a late agreement by many bondholders to swap portions of the $27 billion in debt they are owed for shares in a new GM, were not enough to prevent the court filing.

In fact, it was an all-out sprint to Monday's filing, as GM quickly sought to nail down deals with its union, bondholders and sell off brands and along with most of its Opel operations in Europe in an effort to appear in court with a near-complete plan to quickly emerge as a leaner company with a chance to become profitable.

The German government on Sunday agreed to lend GM's Opel unit $2.1 billion, a move necessary for Magna International Inc. to acquire the company. The Canadian auto parts supplier will take a 20 percent stake in Opel and Russian-owned Sberbank will take a 35 percent, giving the two businesses a majority. GM retains 35 percent of Opel, with the remaining 10 percent going to employees.

In the U.S., the UAW's ratification of concessions, announced Friday, will save GM $1.3 billion per year. The new deal freezes wages, ends bonuses and eliminates some noncompetitive work rules.

It also moves billions in retiree health care costs off GM's books. In exchange for its ownership stake, $6.5 billion of interest-bearing preferred shares, and a $2.5 billion note, the trust will take on responsibility for all health care costs for retirees starting next year. Higher health care costs alone accounted for a $1,500-per-car cost gap between GM and Japanese vehicles.

GM will offer buyouts and early retirement packages to all of its 61,000 hourly workers as it plans to shrink overall employment. The company also has about 27,000 white collar employees. In contrast, GM employed 618,000 Americans in 1979, more than any other company.

GM earlier outlined a plan to cut about 1,100, or 40 percent, of its dealers by the end of 2010. It also plans to shed about 500 dealerships that market the Saturn, Hummer and Saab brands.

But just cutting labor and overhead costs won't be enough to save the company. It also has been working to streamline its engineering and design, as well as standardize many parts so they can go into multiple models.

The once powerful GM earns a place in history as the largest U.S. industrial company to file for bankruptcy protection, and the fourth-largest company overall to do so based on its $82.29 billion in assets.

Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.'s September 2008 bankruptcy filing is the nation's largest with $691 billion in assets, and likely served as a catalyst for GM -- and Chrysler's -- downfall, as it hastened the erosion of credit markets, making it more difficult for consumers and dealers to finance new vehicles.

AP Auto Writer Kimberly S. Johnson reported from Detroit. AP Auto Writer Tom Krisher in Detroit, AP Business Writer Harry R. Weber in Atlanta, AP Business Writer Vinnee Tong in New York, and Associated Press writers Ken Thomas and Jim Kuhnhenn in Washington contributed to this report.










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What is happening now is what should have happened before. This money they are being given is for the bankruptcy, it is allowed by law and happens often. This would have happend reguardless of who is/was in office.
 
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GM: Is $50 Billion the Limit?
Key sentence in the government's GM bankruptcy release (via Ambinder) highlighted:

The U.S. Treasury is prepared to provide approximately $30.1 billion of debtor in possession financing to support GM through an expedited chapter 11 proceeding and transition the new GM through its restructuring plan. The U.S. Treasury does not anticipate providing any additional assistance to GM beyond this commitment.

Hmm. If $50 billion ($30B plus an earlier $20B) really is the limit of the taxpayer subsidy, fine. Then GM and the still-privileged UAW will have to make some tough choices down the road--and whatever happens the bailout could be justified by the backup, background rationale of 'we delayed the end until the economy could handle it.' But is the Obama Administration really planning to cut off GM's intravenous drip of federal billions, if when the $50 billion doesn't put the company back on its feet? It doesn't look that way, from this quote in the NYT:

“We don’t think that after this next $30 billion, they will need more money,” one administration official said. “But the fact is there are things you don’t know — like when the car market will come back, and how much Toyota and Honda and Volkswagen will benefit from the chaos.”

That official isn't saying 'We gave them $50 billion. If that's not enough they're on their own. Maybe the UAW will even have to take a wage cut.' The official is saying "We gave them fifty billion but if that's not enough to let them compete with Honda then 'they will need more money.'" In other words, they're not on their own. Indeed, if they want to maximize their subsidy from Uncle Sam, they'd be well advised to need a few more dozen billions within a year or so. ... You'd think that skeptics in Congress, perhaps noticing the surprisingly anti-bailout polls, could succeed in nailing the administration down to a firmer date for cutting off the federal subsidy (which might actually have the pro-GM effect of forcing the UAW to face reality).** ...

P.S.: Toyota has just unveiled a small, mileage-oriented luxurious Lexus hybrid. It seems to be way more than a padded Prius. Gets 34 mpg. Will sell like hotcakes in West L.A.. Elsewhere, might "benefit from the chaos." ... What are the chances that quality-challenged GM will be able to build something in the same league? I'd say that Elon Musk, for all his problems, has as much of a chance of doing it as GM--and Bill Clinton's good friend Belinda Stronach has a better chance than either of them. ...

P.P.S.: The NYT also says that

On Monday, Mr. Obama is expected to argue that any alternative to his plan would be worse, and that a liquidation of G.M. — the only other real option — would send the unemployment rate soaring over 10 percent and would radiate damage throughout the economy. [E.A.]

The unmentioned middle alternative would have been for Obama to actually have driven a hard bargain and forced a significant-but-tolerable reduction in UAW wages, maybe even enough to give GM a small competitive advantage (heaven forbid). WaPo's Steven Pearlstein, a bailout popularizer who seems to have good Obama sources, even predicted this outcome, assuring us back in April that "unionized workers will have to accept immediate reductions in base pay." Didn't happen. Instead, the Treasury sent more money. ...

**--Two Bad Frames: Note that the way this issue is often framed in the press--'Will the government get back its money'--actually tilts the argument in favor of continued subsidies. After all, if the government just puts in more money, maybe its investement will finally rise in value! Wouldn't want to lose it all after investing so much! If I were advising Congressional skeptics, I'd say 'Forget the getting the $50B back. Maybe it's gone--just like a lot of the TARP bailout money. So what. Forget about the government's "investment." Focus on turning off the spigot.' ... Similarly, as noted, when critics (and the press) frame the issue as "bondholders vs. the UAW' it minimizes the critics' chances of success. The bondholders are doing as well as they could expect to do--and they are, you know, bondholders. It's everyone else (including but not limited to taxpayers) who's paying the price of the unions' extraordinarily favorable bailout deal. ... 11:32 P.M.

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RLG this will be the car shoved up are arse!
The Pontiac, Michigan, and Wilmington, Delaware, assembly plants will close this year, while plants in Spring Hill, Tennessee, and Orion, Michigan, will shut down production but remain on standby. One of the idled plants will be retooled to build a small car. For who??? Obama??
 
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I saw DIC% Stain talking on TV about GM when I picked up lunch, Can't even look at him, Makes me sick!!!:mad:










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That is exactly how I feel.

Ford has earned the right to be the sole surviving US automaker, and deserves to reap the benefits of that.
Ford is totally being screwed over here.

It's just a matter of time before Ford is in the same boat. There isn't a mjor automaker in the world that is profitable right now. Ford bought themselves time by mortgaging the operation to the hilt in '06, but that's not going to keep them alive forever.

And I'm not sticking up for what Washington and Ottawa are doing, just to make that clear.
 
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