RB3 VS Power Commander lll

[mattymac]

didnt dave just do a SC nytro on the dyno???

 

[Duke]

Theres your answer, call Dave.

 

[traveler]

He has a RB3 map for a stage 1 mpi w/ head shim and cam timming dynoed @ sea level.

 

[Duke]

Let us know if it works good, let Dave know if it doesn't.

 

[Remmy]

Yes , its has been ran on a stock apex , its being installed on a turbo apex now and will be testing on the dyno soon , and yes it does automatically compensates for allitude and inlet air temp.
It is only a closed loop system when it is in the tune mode , you can set it up to be in CLC useing different setting (Low RPM , Low Boost , low throttle body openings ) So you can run leaner at low load conditions in the CLC mode and then go back to what it learned when it was ran in the tune mode. This is done so you do not burn your motor down do to a bad A/F senser .
If this system works out , it has many benifits , up to 4 or 5 D mapping auto tune ( boost , throttle body position , camshaft senser etc ) , build in knock senser that will automatically retard timing at a preset rate until knock stops , builded in data prologer , etc .
Will have more info in a couple weeks .

I like what I'm reading, definetly keep us updated.

 

[gunnerthesnowman]

Well , we will soon know , sled is at the shop right now having this standalone system installed , will be going to dyno on Monday or Tuesday .
Also installing larger fuel injector and his meth injecton , this meth kit has safe guards build in and works with the standalone , it detectes plugged nozzles , cracked hoses , low line presures etc , and the standalone will make changes to protect the engine without losing big HP.
The system is a fully close loop system now , can set your % that the A/F senser can control . also has launch control , anti turbo lag control , and trackion control ( for drag racing ) build in data loger ( log 380 minutes ) has to be down loaded to a PC , build in knock box that retards timing automaticly .
Will let you know and will have pctures and video

 

[rednytro]

sounds cool but how much ? some one has a fuel injecton kit for the rx1 that includes a stand alone ecu and its around the 7500$ US mark

 

[Duke]

sounds cool but how much ? some one has a fuel injecton kit for the rx1 that includes a stand alone ecu and its around the 7500$ US mark

It is expensive, but not even close to that expensive.

 

[gunnerthesnowman]

Will let you know once we are done , i don,t think thatthe cost is that bad compared to a RB3 set up with all the extra you need to dail it in ( pro soft ware , data logger , a must to fine tune , parker knock box and i did not like the knock box set up ) if you add the cost of all this it adds up , and the standalone has big benifits as-- fully closed loop A/F
-- turbo anti lag control
--automaticly retards timing if it senses knock
-- Tracksion control ( drag racing )
-- land more

sounds cool but how much ? some one has a fuel injecton kit for the rx1 that includes a stand alone ecu and its around the 7500$ US mark

 

[rednytro]

so around the 3000$ mark? would a guy be able to use a prologger as the logger on this or have to buy a diffrent one?

 

[Duke]

so around the 3000$ mark? would a guy be able to use a prologger as the logger on this or have to buy a diffrent one?

Already built in

 

[gunnerthesnowman]

5 gig ( i think ) built in , will log 380 minute , have to down load it to a laptop or something.They will have Prices once they get our frist two sleds are done.
Gunner

so around the 3000$ mark? would a guy be able to use a prologger as the logger on this or have to buy a diffrent one?

 

[Transporter]

I dont think any of this is practical in mountain riding.Drag racing when tenths of a second matters mabye.

 

[gunnerthesnowman]

I agree with the tracksion control , but i think all the rest is practical / related to any type of riding . When you spend $8000 to $10,000 to build a motor , $7000 to $10,000 on a turbo system and another $10,000 on lighten the sled up ( tunnel , skid , front end etc . ) and your doing all this to get better performance and then you run a engine management system that is behind the times by 10 or 20 year , this just does not make any since to me.
I for one think that after spending that kind of money , that you would want to get the most out of it with out pushing things past it limits to get it and still have some kind of safety devices / limits built in to protect your engine .

I dont think any of this is practical in mountain riding.Drag racing when tenths of a second matters mabye.

 

[Transporter]

Was anybody that won the big iron shoot out,big dawg or other races using RB3?Looking at it from strictly performance view.

 

[gunnerthesnowman]

Could not tell you what they are running , just trying something new , did not want to carry spare boxs around anymore at $300 or so a pop & losted riding time, or have a system that takes a lot of time to dial it in and have to keep fine tuning each time you go out.
I only have so much time to ride , and would like to use it riding and not tuning .
I have seen it , all was running good , all seemed good until you look inside the engine , then you see what was going on without you knowing .
There is also something that works better / or whorse , someone has to try it .

Was anybody that won the big iron shoot out,big dawg or other races using RB3?Looking at it from strictly performance view.

 

[traveler]

I agree with the tracksion control , but i think all the rest is practical / related to any type of riding . When you spend $8000 to $10,000 to build a motor , $7000 to $10,000 on a turbo system and another $10,000 on lighten the sled up ( tunnel , skid , front end etc . ) and your doing all this to get better performance and then you run a engine management system that is behind the times by 10 or 20 year , this just does not make any since to me.
I for one think that after spending that kind of money , that you would want to get the most out of it with out pushing things past it limits to get it and still have some kind of safety devices / limits built in to protect your engine .

I totally agree, the next set to building boost more reliable and user friendly, who wants to dick around half the winter downloading and refining maps.

 

[mattymac]

I agree with the tracksion control , but i think all the rest is practical / related to any type of riding . When you spend $8000 to $10,000 to build a motor , $7000 to $10,000 on a turbo system and another $10,000 on lighten the sled up ( tunnel , skid , front end etc . ) and your doing all this to get better performance and then you run a engine management system that is behind the times by 10 or 20 year , this just does not make any since to me.
I for one think that after spending that kind of money , that you would want to get the most out of it with out pushing things past it limits to get it and still have some kind of safety devices / limits built in to protect your engine .

Agree 100%!!! Any turbo system is only as good as the fueling system, tuner himself, and understanding how the fueling system works!!!!!

Was anybody that won the big iron shoot out,big dawg or other races using RB3?Looking at it from strictly performance view.

Last year there wasnt enough time with the RB3 i dont think to have some of the full mod racer rigs dialed in on high boost, I could be wrong though?

 

[Remmy]

Still keeping track of this thread. I do agree that fuel management is VERY important. I just hope the price can stay down lower near the $1500 range. I just don't see myself dropping 3K on my fuel system. I would love to do it but just can't justify it these days.

 

[Beels]

Awesome thread guys!

I'm sitting on the sidelines trying to plan my move into the boost world and depending on how this works out will pretty much decide it.