Racial Profiling or just good Immigration Law?

[swampwater]

I couldn't see that happening to white people, but everyone else, it could be a possibility. As to carry proof of US citizenship? I don't, though maybe it is rules like this that make the case for having a National Citizenship card or something.

Oh so when you get stopped for defective equipment the officer will not request your drivers license, registration and proof of insurance because you are white. What planet is this on. I totally agree on the hireing practices of employers. The simple answer to illegal aliens is punishment to employers who hire them, no drivers licenses for illegals and proof of citizenship to obtain welfare and medicaid benefits. Do those things and the problem will end saving money rather spending money trying to forcably deport them.

Hawgman
I have a friend who employs seasonal workers who bristles at the notion that it's the employers who create the demand. He checks what he is allowed to check before he hires anyone. That being said, he knows deep down some are posers. He says he will crack down as soon as the gov{state and FED} cut the entitlement programs that allow them to supplement their income with our tax dollars. Wonder why some can work so cheap? They are very well educated in the handout program. They no habla englis, but they know how to work the system. By the way my bud recognizes you get what u pay for and he pays well. My local tire shop chick told me a story about one of her employees who knew that he and his GF would get more money livin together and makin babies than if they were married. I live in an area that is growing the Hispanic population very quickly, and like most areas we got a lot of bad seeds. Just had an execution style gang shooting the other day. They circled the dude and while he begged for his life they loaded him up with lead. Hardly a week goes by without gang violence. These are 98 percent hispanic peeps and i'm being generous on the 2percent. Prolly a large percentage didn't come across the border the right way. Ya i'm tired of the crime, am i a racist? Ihope not, i just don't care for stupid people. I hate what gang violence and the drug trade have done to our area. At the end of the day illegal immigration brings baggage along and i've seen it most of my adult life [i'm old,almost55] I don't want to move, but i might. Rant over

Yakima is definately an excellent example of what happens when the problem of illegal aliens is not addressed, anyone who thinks these wetbacks are all peace loving people just looking to better their lives and support their families
needs to sue the school they graduated from for fraudulant credentials and incompetant practices. Swampy

 

[ruffryder]

Oh so when you get stopped for defective equipment the officer will not request your drivers license, registration and proof of insurance because you are white. What planet is this on.

This is Earth... We aren't talking for proof of license, we are talking about proof of citizenship. Different things.

 

[mold]

How many people here carry proof of US citizenship?


How would you feel being detained, after being pulled over for a broken tail light, until you could provide this proof?

go ask Alice when she's ten feet tall

 

[swampwater]

Nothing different about it, you cannot get a license in AZ and other states if you are an illegal. If you don't have a license what would you expect the officer would do with you just let you leave or require you satisfy him with your identity, name, address, phone and whatever else he wants. Swampy

This is Earth... We aren't talking for proof of license, we are talking about proof of citizenship. Different things.

 

[swampwater]

Pretty good weed tonight eh. Swampy

go ask Alice when she's ten feet tall

 

[ruffryder]

Nothing different about it, you cannot get a license in AZ and other states if you are an illegal. If you don't have a license what would you expect the officer would do with you just let you leave or require you satisfy him with your identity, name, address, phone and whatever else he wants. Swampy

Quite the tangent. We are talking about proof of citizenship here..

 

[DOO DAWG]

I guess then there should be no advantages to being a US citizen in this country eh boys? the US constitution (What is left of it) Was written for the citizens of this country, not the citizens of other countries.

 

[ruffryder]

I guess then there should be no advantages to being a US citizen in this country eh boys? the US constitution (What is left of it) Was written for the citizens of this country, not the citizens of other countries.

It was written only for citizens? You might want to fact check that one...

 

[swampwater]

You are the one creating the tangent to try and save your point. Every country in the world requires aliens to carry papers and present them when asked, this includes the US under federal law, so if your an aliien, legaL OR NOT, WHERE IS THE ILLEGALLITY? Where is the UNCONSTITUTIONALITY? It seems to me that following federal as well as AZ state law is consttitutional unless it can be shown that the federal law which is identical to all other countries law is unconstitutional, and that has never been done but has been upheld by the Supreme court. The supreme court has actually upheld the proposition that reasonable suspicion is a proper standard for search not only the stricter "proble cause" standard. Sorry, your attempt to demonize the american people, through their representatives, trying to take control of their country and return it to the great nation it once was falls very short, like most liberal attacks that wither under the exposure of facts. Swampy

Quite the tangent. We are talking about proof of citizenship here..

 

[ruffryder]

You are the one creating the tangent to try and save your point.

Do you even know it? Because you sure aren't arguing against it..

Every country in the world requires aliens to carry papers and present them when asked, this includes the US under federal law, so if your an aliien, legaL OR NOT, WHERE IS THE ILLEGALLITY? Where is the UNCONSTITUTIONALITY? It seems to me that following federal as well as AZ state law is consttitutional unless it can be shown that the federal law which is identical to all other countries law is unconstitutional, and that has never been done but has been upheld by the Supreme court. The supreme court has actually upheld the proposition that reasonable suspicion is a proper standard for search not only the stricter "proble cause" standard.

The argument isn't against the law, as the law is sound. The argument is the implementation of the law, that if done incorrectly would not be constitutional. That is the issue here, swampy.

Sorry, your attempt to demonize the american people, through their representatives, trying to take control of their country and return it to the great nation it once was falls very short, like most liberal attacks that wither under the exposure of facts. Swampy

wtf are you talking about? Your posting set to knee jerk reaction? Take a look at my posts swampy... your comments are way off base... Maybe you need a bran muffin or something this morning? You might not be getting enough fiber...

 

[swampwater]

No the difference is I am dealing with actual facts while you are dealing with hypothetics, unless you have a factual incidence from the AZ law to back up your claim of racial profiling. Swampy

Do you even know it? Because you sure aren't arguing against it..

The argument isn't against the law, as the law is sound. The argument is the implementation of the law, that if done incorrectly would not be constitutional. That is the issue here, swampy.

wtf are you talking about? Your posting set to knee jerk reaction? Take a look at my posts swampy... your comments are way off base... Maybe you need a bran muffin or something this morning? You might not be getting enough fiber...

 

[ruffryder]

No the difference is I am dealing with actual facts while you are dealing with hypothetics, unless you have a factual incidence from the AZ law to back up your claim of racial profiling. Swampy

Actual facts of how a future law is going to be implemented by the yet to be trained about it police?

 

[JSCC]

Actual facts of how a future law is going to be implemented by the yet to be trained about it police?

LMAO!!!!

 

[swampwater]

You definately need to sue the schools you graduated from for incompetant teaching. Swampy

Actual facts of how a future law is going to be implemented by the yet to be trained about it police?

 

[ruffryder]

You definately need to sue the schools you graduated from for incompetant teaching. Swampy

So that is your response? Start attacking? Good to know it isn't only liberals that do it..

 

[mold]

I still say, shoot to wound then check for papers, no papers, fire a second round!!

 

[mattymac]

I still say, shoot to wound then check for papers, no papers, fire a second round!!

the sad truth is most of em arent worth the bullet... let alone two!!!


shoot to wound, draw their buddies out then go from there!!!

 

[mattymac]

The argument isn't against the law, as the law is sound. The argument is the implementation of the law, that if done incorrectly would not be constitutional. That is the issue here, swampy.

Actual facts of how a future law is going to be implemented by the yet to be trained about it police?

same diffrence huh ruffy???


Ive said my thoughts before on this issue, but you never said your take on it... do you think that something needs to be done about illegal immigration?? Do you think its a problem in our great country??

Its only unconstitutional if LEO's enforce the new law that way, but WHAT IF (I know you have a hard time thinking on both sides of the fence here ruffy) they were trained correctly, upheld this new immigration law (since they are probally tired of all the crap that comes with illegals and want them out of their state that they do a great job of ridding them out even by the PC, pussificated way that makes all the hippie tree huggers happy), and just say it worked to a level better than everyone thought??? you seem to take the side of jumping the gun and assuming that LEO's would automatically "racially profile" (since your so quick to assume that all the badazz AZ cops are just gunna bust down doors, and pull people over for no other reason than to check for greencards and citizenship papers)

 

[cwbyup_22]

They are here ILLEGALLY imo they have no rights in this country if they are not here legally. Why should they be able to stay here for free, not pay social security, not pay taxes, get free health care and send all of their money back to Mexico? If they want to go through the process to come here legally, live by OUR rules, speak OUR language more power to them, but if they are here illegally the are free game. Somebody needs to start cracking down on it and I am glad to see that AZ has the balls to get started on the right track.

 

[ruffryder]

same diffrence huh ruffy???

nope, I wasn't claiming anything as fact. Just stating that the argument against the law is that it has the POTENTIAL to be used incorrectly (as per the constitution).

Ive said my thoughts before on this issue, but you never said your take on it... do you think that something needs to be done about illegal immigration?? Do you think its a problem in our great country??

When have I ever been a proponent of illegal immigration? It is a big problem for the states. Only there are a lot of businesses that are using illegal immigrants, which is why they are coming here. They would stop coming here if everyone stopped hiring them, don't you think? Everyone blames the illegal immigrants for this issue, but the businesses that hire these people don't carry a majority of the blame? Cause and effect. Because the illegals can get jobs in the US, they come here. They wouldn't be coming here in droves if there was no work to be had, no would they?

Isn't that like blaming the drug dealers for the drug problem? Oh wait, we do that here already... There goes that personal responsibility. I think if they passed a law that stated "if anyone hired an illegal immigrant, all their money and possessions would be taken away from them and they would be booted out of the country", then illegal immigration would be greatly reduced. But no, lets try and spend money enforcing a wall....

Its only unconstitutional if LEO's enforce the new law that way, but WHAT IF (I know you have a hard time thinking on both sides of the fence here ruffy) they were trained correctly, upheld this new immigration law (since they are probally tired of all the crap that comes with illegals and want them out of their state that they do a great job of ridding them out even by the PC, pussificated way that makes all the hippie tree huggers happy), and just say it worked to a level better than everyone thought???

Of course that is a possibility. To assume one is, wouldn't the other have to be as well?

you seem to take the side of jumping the gun and assuming that LEO's would automatically "racially profile" (since your so quick to assume that all the badazz AZ cops are just gunna bust down doors, and pull people over for no other reason than to check for greencards and citizenship papers)

no I didn't. I simply stated that if enforced incorrectly it could be an issue. I didn't say the above, but to assume ALL cops know exactly hot to enforce this is a stretch as well.