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Quarantine to Detent. Fac. order for H1N1 CDC site/"unwilling to follow gvt orders"

OIC what ur talking about now... It's just killing the weak and elderly anyways, so wouldn't it fit right in with where Obamacare is taking us? Maybe we should give swine flu some stimulus money?

I never said that, but twist it however you see fit, I would be surprised if you didn't.


If Bush were still in office he would avoid the Swine thing altogether and pass the blame onto someone else. Maybe he could fire another White House aide.

How many is a Brazillion?
 
They won't be building intermittent camps. They'll use infrastructure that's already available. Mostly the camps that the National Guard uses for training facilities that are relatively unused. These camps are very easy converted into secure holding structures with a few fences, concertina wire, and a few guard posts.

Yup one of these camps just popped up at Camp Williams, UT. Why now? Why all the sudden after all this time we have been at war? It is fully fenced and has towers on several sides. It is fully equipped with set up tents and buildings. Quite a facility for just training. :confused:


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OIC what ur talking about now... It's just killing the weak and elderly anyways, so wouldn't it fit right in with where Obamacare is taking us? Maybe we should give swine flu some stimulus money?

Actually, what's odd is they are saying that the elderly are more immune to it, so they are last in line in priority for shots. Hmmm. It's a win-win for Obamacare.

"Elderly Americans who are used to being among the first in line for seasonal flu vaccines have been left off of the list of those who will have priority for swine flu shots this fall.

Instead, pregnant women and young people will be among those who go to the head of the line.

Health officials met at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta today to decide whether the government should go ahead with mass vaccinations and who would get first dibs on a vaccine that could become available this fall."
consider the source:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Politics/story?id=8199396&page=1

WASHINGTON (AFP) — Older people may have some kind of immunity to swine flu, US health officials said Thursday, as the number of confirmed and suspected cases of H1N1 virus rose again around the country.

A study by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that more than 64 percent of US infections have occurred among patients between the ages of five and 24, with just one percent of flu victims aged 65 or older.

One possible explanation is that "older adults might have been in contact a long time ago with a virus related to the one that we see now," said Anne Schuchat, interim deputy director for science and public health programs at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jFDi5zO9J45-riDbkkHCR16mpzzw
 
Wow, there's a lot of misinformation out there. The CDC quit counting cases, so we have no idea how many cases are out there now. Labs around the world are overwhelmed with testing and most have stopped. Even a very mild pandemic (0.1% catch fatality rate~CFR) will produce 2.4 million excess deaths worldwide. You gotta stop counting some time. It is a pandemic right now but NOT an epidemic .
On average flu kills 36,000 people every year in the U.S. Right now the worldwide CFR seems to be averaging about 0.1%, which would produce 124,000 excess deaths in the US. There are pockets where we currently see a CFR of 0.35% (Argentina) and maybe the expectation is that those numbers represent a more virulent strain that we can expect to see in the fall.
Right now it's anybody's guess, but if I were a betting man I'd wager on the lower end of the scale - say 0.1%-0.2% or 124K - 248K excess deaths. That's very mild by pandemic standards but unfortunately the young will be disproportionately represented. For planning purposes the U.S. is using a CFR of 0.35%. 310,000,000 pop x 40% infection rate x 0.0035 case fatality rate = 434,000 deaths.
What we are really worried about is mutations. There's intensive genetic analysis of H1N1 isolates going on around the world and several worrisome mutations have been identified to date. There will be more found as this virus passes through its hosts and adapts.
One mutation is in the hemagglutinin molecule (the H part of the H1N1 designation). This change could render obsolete the vaccines under development even before their release. There's feverish testing going on as you might imagine, with lives (and billions of $$) at stake.
Another mutation makes transmission of the virus more efficient at cooler temperatures. More efficient transmission at cooler temperatures also carries the risk of higher virus replication rates in the infected host. More viruses, potentially more cytokine storm.
There's a virtual consensus among experts that this flu will return this winter with very high infection rates. As far a severity of infections go, most think the severity will be moderate (as it is right now, used to be mild) but none would be really surprised by a 1918 severity.
If the virus mutated to a more virulent strain and produced a CFR of 2.5% as in 1918, there'd be 3,100,000 excess deaths in the U.S. (explains all of coffins).:eek::eek::eek:
 
Yup one of these camps just popped up at Camp Williams, UT. Why now? Why all the sudden after all this time we have been at war? It is fully fenced and has towers on several sides. It is fully equipped with set up tents and buildings. Quite a facility for just training. :confused:


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They are building such facilities for "immersion" purposes. That way soldiers, airmen, marines, and sailors won't be shocked by conditions in Afghanistan and Iraq. I went through it and thought it was a crock of sh*t. The theory looks good on paper but I believe it's a waste of time and resources.
 

This one...http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=46.088115,-94.353032&spn=0.034764,0.090895&z=14
is National Guard's Camp Ripley, just north of Little Falls,MN, and about 30 miles south of my location.

That area is huge, and runs about 25 miles north from the air strip and main entrance.
Just scrolling around, I notice certain areas are blurred out. Areas that may be gun and artillery ranges. Just guessin'.
They shoot some damn big guns there, and can be plainly heard all over the county.

Oh....... this Spring they shot a disarmed cannon shell miles off target, and ended up in somebody's yard.:eek:
Oopsie Daisy.:p

After the Katrina Hurricane, they had the camp all set up with 100's of cots and supplies, ready to take homeless and refugee's from New Orleans areas, but the Gov't couldn't convince any of them to come clear to he!! and gone across the country.

So it sat empty for that debacle.
 
This one...http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=46.088115,-94.353032&spn=0.034764,0.090895&z=14
is National Guard's Camp Ripley, just north of Little Falls,MN, and about 30 miles south of my location.

That area is huge, and runs about 25 miles north from the air strip and main entrance.
Just scrolling around, I notice certain areas are blurred out. Areas that may be gun and artillery ranges. Just guessin'.
They shoot some damn big guns there, and can be plainly heard all over the county.

Oh....... this Spring they shot a disarmed cannon shell miles off target, and ended up in somebody's yard.:eek:
Oopsie Daisy.:p

After the Katrina Hurricane, they had the camp all set up with 100's of cots and supplies, ready to take homeless and refugee's from New Orleans areas, but the Gov't couldn't convince any of them to come clear to he!! and gone across the country.

So it sat empty for that debacle.
Yes, I know it's Camp Ripley. I know that place like the back of my hand...been there too many times :rolleyes: Anyways, all I'm saying is that it's an easy place to convert into a holding area if need be. All the infrastructure is in place to take care of 1000's of people. A little concertina wire around those buildings and nobody is going anywhere, and logistically it makes perfect sense with the airstrip there.
The blurred out places you are seeing are the impact zones for the firing ranges, you can see the craters left by the big guns...pretty cool huh? I've shot anything from Bradleys, anti-tank missiles, to grenades and anti-personnel mines there. When it was first built it was one of the few posts in the country where they could fire any weapon the Army had access to. Not so sure if that status still stands.
I believe the round that landed off target was a private company doing some testing...but don't quote me on that.
 
ahhh the memories at camp ripley....nothing like giving the command for a FFE utilizing 3 gun batteries with 198s

Back in the 80s our boys blew up a barn and were banned till a few years ago. that was my one and olny AT in 8 years....rest were schools and deployments

Anyways....back on track....swine flu hasn't killed more people than the regular flu. sure maybe percentage wise it has a higher mortality rate....that is it though so quit puttin that liberal spin on it....doesn't work and makes you look retarded.
 
They are building such facilities for "immersion" purposes. That way soldiers, airmen, marines, and sailors won't be shocked by conditions in Afghanistan and Iraq. I went through it and thought it was a crock of sh*t. The theory looks good on paper but I believe it's a waste of time and resources.

Agree with you....conditions are just like an FTX. All soldiers know that!


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ahhh the memories at camp ripley....nothing like giving the command for a FFE utilizing 3 gun batteries with 198s

Back in the 80s our boys blew up a barn and were banned till a few years ago. that was my one and olny AT in 8 years....rest were schools and deployments

Anyways....back on track....swine flu hasn't killed more people than the regular flu. sure maybe percentage wise it has a higher mortality rate....that is it though so quit puttin that liberal spin on it....doesn't work and makes you look retarded.

It has a higher infection and mortality rate...wait until this fall when it spreads easier.
 
so I know a lot of people across the country. No one that I personally know has ever gotten that flu. sure they got the flu over winter but not that one. I wonder if this thing is way over hyped like the bird by the media?? Do any of you know someone that actually got it??

I was listening to Bob & Tom on the radio the other day & Bob said he had a confimed case of the famed Swine Flu. He said it sucked just like the regular flu but lasted 14 days :(
 
MPS, have you gotten any more info?
I talked to my staffer buddy at my rep's office. He used to be in the military and he was thinking that the GoArmy.com internment/resettlement specialist would be what you were first thinking about the Gitmo guys coming to prisons here. He said there was a big semantic thing about not calling them POWs, etc., so "civilian internees" may fit.

About HR645, emergency centers on military installations (MIs). From the congressional research service (CRS) I got some info that they are going to be "decommissioning" (if that's the right word) some MIs and want to put six emergency centers up. However, the language of HR645 very clearly would allow these emergency centers to be on CURRENT MIs and CRS says that there are things that are unclear and unanswered in HR645.

On the stuff I posted in the original post, the staffer corroborated what the staffer at a different office told me yesterday. He thinks the conference Wednesday in DC is a preparedness-related thing. He said when he was county commissioner and military they would do preparedness stuff to practice and see where the weaknesses were and stuff.

However, he said with this administration, you never know what they could pull. We talked about the international bent of this admin and the whacky czars and the crap they've already pulled. But we both agreed that "mandatory vax" would be pretty hard for MT to accept, especially given the rural nature and that the Left would be freaking out about it too. It'd be different for a place like NY or Frisco or LA or Miami where swine flu could spread quickly because of pandemic.

He did say it was possible for BO to issue an executive order that apparently could not be opposed by the states, martial law and all that. But I'm thinking for swine flu - not. That'd probably be more for something like bubonic plague, although like Rahm says, "never let a good crisis go to waste."
 
Can't watch the videos, but I can see Lab-made strain on the screen...

read this tid bit woodzy

ps I had all of this hot stuff in my other threads ...however didn't want to be the center of attention so I deleted it ...now I come forth with the same info under another thread ..hopefully it won't be as easily seen from the out side


July 29, 2009
Hawk

Make no mistake, as this nation, the united States, teeters on the collapse of the dollar, collapse of the derivatives mess involving a $quadrillion or so of putrid paper gambling slips, as its unemployment rate rushes over an actual 20 % rate rather than the near 10% so called "official rate", as its foreclosures on homes and bankruptcies still soar, and Bank Holidays are being discussed as probable within a month or two, control by the Illuminati bankers via their 30 pieces of silver D.C. minions and their counterparts in the capitols of the various States is slipping quickly into total destruction of the social compacts made with the people and the shredding of the Constitution of the united States and its Bill of Rights. In an attempt to maintain their stranglehold, those same Illuminati Luciferian scum have planned for some time to roll out their END GAME of totalitarian suppression and Blood Sacrifice of hundreds of millions here and billions globally in order to depopulate the planet to a manageable 500 million long ago proposed by Thomas Malthus, the father of economics and as echoed by Illuminati spokesmen over the years. This new smaller population then to be controlled under a Luciferian inspired New World Order system to be headed soon by the anti-Christ himself.

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation" Prince Phillip as reported by Deutsche Press Agenteur, 1988

“A total world population of 250-300 million, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal." Ted Turner interview with Audubon Magazine

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order" - David Rockefeller

“No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer . No one will enter the New Age unless he will take Luciferian initiation. " -David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations


So, the "Novel Flu", the "H1N1 Flu", the " Swine Flu" ..........was released from some dark vat or vials out of the world of Illuminati financed " Ultra Black Science " , Big Pharma, and/or Porton Down, USAMRID, and Center For Disease Creation this past spring in a "decleaved of hemorrhagic component" version to begin the circling of the globe. Even though it was not the most lethal of versions waiting it nevertheless killed many. Secretary of DHS Napolitano declared a State of Emergency which we still find ourselves under and the WHO rules of Level 6 Pandemic are in effect with that World Health Organization, an offshoot of the UN calling the shots as to treatment protocols and what will be mandatory vaccinations.

When the new hemorrhagic strain appears very soon, and with the WHO predicting that as many as 2 billion people world wide could become infected within the next two years (approx. 1/3 of the global population) we are now facing a pandemic of proportions as perhaps seen in the Book of Revelation ..........or as David Rockefeller might call it ...."the right major crisis". The one that allows the Illuminati to attempt to seize control physically of the people of the U.S. who have been the major stumbling block hampering the placement of the capstone on their Luciferian pyramid of death. They will use the U.S. military, Foreign Militaries, Mercenaries, Federal Law Enforcement Agencies, and State and local Police as well as Medical Bureaucracies against their enemies .....the American people. :eek:

the rest of story


http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/08_Hawk/090729.shot.in.arm.html
 
National Guard Explanation regarding internment/resettlement specialists of civilian internees

"They are the ones, he said, who guard captured suspects in Afghanistan or Iraq, move them to safe locations and maintain them in secure locations until they are handled by some sort of judicial process.

"You must resettle the prisoners to an area of safety where they can be interned in a safe environment," he told WND today. "This is a specific role of a military police soldier, to be trained in the proper protection and interrogation and handling of enemy combatants on foreign soil." ...

Asked about pending plans in Washington that would put National Guard units under the direct control of Washington, he said he could not respond to "what if" questions, especially potential scenarios that would include an order to act against Americans..

"We're very fortunate in that the leaders we have have never placed us in a position that we even have to ask that question," he said.

He said he could not address the issue of how many such detention centers are operated by the U.S. government in Afghanistan or Iraq or their staffing needs,...

Still another reader confirmed he had the position as "Internment" specialist at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., for several years, back when the title was a "correctional specialist."

"Yes, we did do everything that the article stated and more," he wrote. But he said Americans should not fear soldiers."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106742
 
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heres your daily WTF post

57 Trillion Reasons To Murder 100 Million
Leonard G. Horowitz
8-8-9

The U.S. debt of $57 trillion in unfunded liabilities, according to common sense, is compelling reason for federal governors conspiring with special interests to murder 100 million Americans this fall using poisonous vaccinations.


According to federal deficit calculators at USDebtClock.org, more than $57 trillion is currently owed, including $39 trillion(T) in medicaid/medicare debt, $10T in social security payables, plus $8T in prescription drug liabilities, levying$189,210.00 in servitude upon every American citizen.

The mafia kills people for a lot less. Do you really think your debt collection is proceeding differently?

Consider current White House science czar John Holdren’s published affection for population reduction, nuclear industry promotion, biological weapons distribution, and vaccination sterilization through intoxication advancing under the guises of “national security,” “biopreparedness,” “flu prevention, and “health care reform.”

The fact is, you are worth more dead than alive to Obama’s ilk, because in reality, there is a WARRANT FOR YOUR DEATH THAT CARRIES A REWARD OF $189K, and rising.

Now you would never believe this is true. But do your “homework” and learn the FACTS:

1) Washington, DC is a “district,” not a “state” in the Republic. Legally, it is an offshore or “foreign” corporation.

2) U.S. Federal employees, including Capitol Hill legislators, are legally contracted to perform on behalf of the “foreign corporation.”

3) The “foreign corporation” in now unable to pay its debts.

4) The “foreign corporation” is now calling in its notes.

5) Under Uniform Commercial Code (UCC–global economic administrative banking and accounting law) a liquidity account called a “bond” was created for you at birth.

6) This “bond” secures every American citizen with a birth certificate and social security number against debtor obligations administered through the IRS and Justice Department.

7) Your “bond,” (private trust-like account created when your birth certificate was filed with the state, then sent to the federal corporation) is worth millions of dollars based on expert legal testimonies and insurance industry actuarial projections of your net worth–gross personal production– from birth to grave.

Considering your gross personal productivity over your lifetime carries this economic value, you might call this your “gross personal product.”

9) The “foreign corporation” assays America’s “gross national product,” and your “gross personal product” as well.

10) Assets of the “foreign corporation” may be liquidated to pay debts; and you may be liquidated, likewise, for available currency in your “transaction account,” to pay the corporation’s debts through the international bank-serving IRS “balance sheet” provisions that have been secreted from the public, but heralded legally by expert witnesses in tax courts.

The aforementioned FACTS EVIDENCE . . .

THE SINGLE, MOST IMPORTANT, FUNDAMENTAL MOTIVE DRIVING DECLARATIONS OF WAR, WAR ECONOMIES, AND CURRENT INCESSANT POLITICAL IMPOSITIONS, INCLUDING WARS ON TERRORISM, BIOTERRORISM; WAGING BIOLOGICAL WARFARE AGAINST PEOPLE AND MICROBES THROUGH MODERN MEDICINE, VACCINATIONS, AND DEADLY PHARMACEUTICALS.

So you probably never realized you are worth more dead to our current “legal guardians” than alive. This best explains why:

1) Throughout history, global economic collapses have fueled major wars.

2) Hideously harmful, scientifically proven killers are often certified for use by the FDA and “fast-tracked” to markets,

3) The FDA incessantly advances Big Pharma’s Codex Alimentarius plot to terminate over-the-counter access to vitamins, minerals, herbs, homeo-pathics, the healing natural sweetener stevia and energizing ginseng, but grants deadly addictive aspartame, even caffeine, free distribution everywhere.

4) Safe methods of water decontamination, such as inexpensive ultraviolet light and ozonation, or even nano-silver disinfection, is grossly excluded from municipal water purification methods in favor of totally toxic carcinogenic chlorine.

5) Fluoride, a mind-numbing bone-mottling intoxicant, is forced upon nearly everyone as a replacement for education and motivation for dental caries prevention.



6) Mercury in vaccines and dental fillings is still approved after extensive research proving toxicity and substantial morbidity and mortality linked to the heavy metal poison.

7) John Holdren became Obama administration “science czar” given his voracious appetite for population reduction through intoxication of water and food supplies, and the previously conducted mass vaccination causing sterilization as endorsed in his book Ecoscience.

US officials plan to administer 3 toxic immune system destroying squalene injections this fall under the guise of swine flu “biodefense,” despite substantial scientific evidence proving this is a deadly immune-intoxicating substance.

9) CDC and NIAID officials lie about HIV/AIDS, in many different ways, quashing safe and effective low-to-no-cost treatments while partnering with private companies advancing profitable drug sales.

10) The new additional federal $1 billion contract for swine flu vaccines include Baxter corporation’s provisions despite the company’s history of genocidal operations. Federal officials were well aware the company spread HIV/AIDS in contaminated blood products AND spread H5N1 allegedly “accidentally” in time for this “biodefense” season.

11) Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama’s Secretary of State, overseeing CIA, FBI and Foreign Policy, was politically positioned to dictate “health care reform,” “national security,” and “national health insurance policy,”
12.

12) Mrs. Clinton went to Mexico precisely when the mysterious Mexican swine flu outbreak occurred to persuade government officials there to stop supporting drug traffickers whose WAR killed more than 7,000 people the previous 12 months. This just proves the “WAR on Drugs” is a profitable security investment for Big Pharma, political liars, and inside traitors(Ref); and why . . .

13) Every one of the deadliest pandemics throughout history has come when severe socioeconomic/political upheaval occurred.

Suffice it to say, knowing all of the above, you would have to be a complete idiot to accept flu vaccinations this fall, or any intoxication through “immunization” ever again.

http://revolutionradio.org/2009/08/08/57-trillion-reasons-to-murder-100-million/
 
They hit that nail on the head

1) Throughout history, global economic collapses have fueled major wars.

2) Hideously harmful, scientifically proven killers are often certified for use by the FDA and “fast-tracked” to markets,3)
The FDA incessantly advances Big Pharma’s Codex Alimentarius plot to terminate over-the-counter access to vitamins, minerals, herbs, homeo-pathics, the healing natural sweetener stevia and energizing ginseng, but grants deadly addictive aspartame, even caffeine, free distribution everywhere.

4) Safe methods of water decontamination, such as inexpensive ultraviolet light and ozonation, or even nano-silver disinfection, is grossly excluded from municipal water purification methods in favor of totally toxic carcinogenic chlorine.

5) Fluoride, a mind-numbing bone-mottling intoxicant, is forced upon nearly everyone as a replacement for education and motivation for dental caries prevention.



6) Mercury in vaccines and dental fillings is still approved after extensive research proving toxicity and substantial morbidity and mortality linked to the heavy metal poison.

This one also!

9) CDC and NIAID officials lie about HIV/AIDS, in many different ways, quashing safe and effective low-to-no-cost treatments while partnering with private companies advancing profitable drug sales.

Swampy:eek::mad:
 
I never said that, but twist it however you see fit, I would be surprised if you didn't.


If Bush were still in office he would avoid the Swine thing altogether and pass the blame onto someone else. Maybe he could fire another White House aide.

How many is a Brazillion?

Swampy:D:D

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