PUSH $2995 turbo

[backcountryislife]

Spent some time talking to Kevin today & I'm giving very serious thought to trying out the $2995 push pump gas setup.
IMO, none of the other pump gas kits are worth going with compared to the minimal upgrade to race.

I'm ok with however much power I get, but the only thing I'm at all worried about is the tuning. I'm at much higher elevation that those guys run them at & I worry that I'll have to be playing with the box on it.

Any of you guys got any time on this kit?

Any insights?

 

[dunatyk]

Trust Kevin. If he says tat he can set you then believe it

 

[ACMtnCat]

I not sure anybody has ANY time on this kit? How could they? It's new this year?

The Cheeep turbocharger has never been tested on this type of application as far as I know, and especially at your altitude! So who knows how it will hold up?

 

[dunatyk]

I believe Kevin ran this exact turbo 2 years ago and had no problems not the kit just the turbo.

 

[IDspud]

I've owned and ridden with several of Kevin's sleds in the last few years, very few problems, and any time there is one he has gone over and above customer service to get us running again. He is more than willing to go the extra mile to get you on the snow, I have always felt that he treats my machines with the same sense of urgency he would treat his own.

I have seen first hand he knows his stuff, having ridden with turbos he's built vs some "other guys" his have always been the most trouble free.

 

[mmsports]

No in 09 there was one tested in Co.11-12k

I sent one to a friend and he ran it all year and he loved it.10-12000 ft and ran same #'s as I did so should not change with elevation. As far as the turbo being tested not to count my testing how about Yamaha testing? They tested it in a full throttle 300 plus miles straight track and it passed well that's good enough for me. You mark my words you will see more than one company next year with these turbo's.

I not sure anybody has ANY time on this kit? How could they? It's new this year?

The Cheeep turbocharger has never been tested on this type of application as far as I know, and especially at your altitude! So who knows how it will hold up?

 

[JHG]

How many kits have been delivered? With the low cost of these kits I would have thought we would being hearing lots about it. I think I've only seen one guy on here posting about his. Are there many of them out running yet?

I know this is the Cat section but I'm also not hearing much about how they are doing on the Yamahas either.


EDIT: Nevermind, I think I found the answer to the Yamaha problem.
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238178
MMSports, as a dealer of these kits....are the delivery issues isolated to just Push's Yamaha division or are the Cat kits affected?

 

[ACMtnCat]

I sent one to a friend and he ran it all year and he loved it.10-12000 ft and ran same #'s as I did so should not change with elevation. As far as the turbo being tested not to count my testing how about Yamaha testing? They tested it in a full throttle 300 plus miles straight track and it passed well that's good enough for me. You mark my words you will see more than one company next year with these turbo's.

How is 300 miles on a track ANYTHING like what we do out west in the steep and deep mountains? I'll be putting on 2000-3000 mountain miles this year, How bout you Kevin?


How many have been installed this year on Cats? And do any of those have time on the snow yet? There is snow most places in the west now, how are they running?

 

[Justified]

my friend had one on his 09 hcr. second year on this kit and its been running really strong. very few times during the year he had to mess with the controller but after 3 mintues he was good to go and off he went. Talk to Jeff at in wishek North Dakota. He install the turbos and knows these kits pretty well

 

[mmsports]

Ya 300 is nothing

but 300 miles at full throttle none stop is a good test yes?

Ya I will put 2k on a year and did that and they will out last and at half the cost of a center cartridge for the whole turbo you can afford to replace them.

How is 300 miles on a track ANYTHING like what we do out west in the steep and deep mountains? I'll be putting on 2000-3000 mountain miles this year, How bout you Kevin?


How many have been installed this year on Cats? And do any of those have time on the snow yet? There is snow most places in the west now, how are they running?

 

[mmsports]

near as I know

There has only been like 75 shipped 50 to Yamaha and 25 to dealers. I have only seen 5 myself and I have 25 ordered I have one more coming and its staying at my shop for me I am putting the PC on it for testing so we can get more info. We had 3 at west last weekend and they ran great. We had some issues with octane but they ran real good ended up with some race gas in them but with some more tweaking got them to run on just pump gas.

How many kits have been delivered? With the low cost of these kits I would have thought we would being hearing lots about it. I think I've only seen one guy on here posting about his. Are there many of them out running yet?

I know this is the Cat section but I'm also not hearing much about how they are doing on the Yamahas either.


EDIT: Nevermind, I think I found the answer to the Yamaha problem.
http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238178
MMSports, as a dealer of these kits....are the delivery issues isolated to just Push's Yamaha division or are the Cat kits affected?

 

[Bridger]

I know Kev very well. I ride with alot of guys that run his set ups...Turbos and just flat modded sleds. They all run hard. I am running his pump gas Push from last year on my 10 M8. It friken rips... set up was a snap. I might have spent 30 minutes on the hill tightening up the duty cycle adjustments on the hill. Pretty simple. Kev is always easy to reach if you have any questions while your playing with it. You can trust him

 

[savage]

Push PG Turbo Running great?

"A pump gas turbo that ran great with race gas but with mote tweaking" does not sound like a stable–no issue Pump Gas Turbo.

I would like to run a Push PG Turbo however am hearing questionable reviews.

We had 3 at west last weekend and they ran great. We had some issues with octane but they ran real good ended up with some race gas in them but with some more tweaking got them to run on just pump gas.

 

[Dunatic]

I have always believed that You get what ya pay for....

Maybe guys will run thousands of miles with these, but it would scare me.

 

[snowblind]

the turbo if fed filtered air should run for over 2000 hours and in other performance applications, well above that. I dont know where we got the idea that a 3000 turbo kit for a two stroke was a cheap kit. these kits should be $2000 by now. there is a little fab and parts and a turbo. the testing and tuning is done by the end user. Still good profits for manufacturers and dealers in the snowmobile world

 

[backcountryislife]

from the perspective of turbo durability, we run garretts for hundreds of thousands of miles on vehicles... there's no way you should have "turbo" problems on a sled. Far as I'm concerned, they're very overbuilt.

We're overpaying for the turbo itself on sleds, it's just not needed imo.

the way it sounds, boost is a touch high on this kit for pump... which would be perfect for me as I'll never even see the altitudes that Kevin is riding at... never. (and if I do, I'll just steal some of the race gas that I have for the cutler)

My only concern is the tuning. I despise tuning, and since I'm going to have MPM do the install, all I'm really questioning is how much tuning I'll need to do at my alt.

I very strongly believe that turbo kits are seriously overpriced, and that's a big part of the reason I'm wanting to check this one out, it seems like a well thought out setup & the only "question" is the turbo itself, but like Kevin Said... at that price, if I have to buy a new one in 2 years... oh well.


Btw, this kit comes with more than BD's PG kit does for $1600 more.

It's $6k to get a PG BD kit installed.... that's just a silly amount of money for low boost.

 

[Jammmin]

I run OVS
My buddy runs Twisted
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Both rip and these guys are always improving what already works good.

 

[JHG]

Btw, this kit comes with more than BD's PG kit does for $1600 more.

It's $6k to get a PG BD kit installed.... that's just a silly amount of money for low boost.

I agree, that's way to much for that kit. I used Cutler clutching on mine($550), Koso EGT's and an intercooler option(+$550) and mine was less than $6K. The one you priced in $1000 over priced.

You've had good luck with your Cutler kit, why not go with CPC Stage 2 so the tuning is similar to what you already have?

 

[WyoBoy1000]

What is cheap about the turbo, what else do you have to buy, and how does the oil cooler work.

 

[backcountryislife]

I agree, that's way to much for that kit. I used Cutler clutching on mine($550), Koso EGT's and an intercooler option(+$550) and mine was less than $6K. The one you priced in $1000 over priced.

You've had good luck with your Cutler kit, why not go with CPC Stage 2 so the tuning is similar to what you already have?

Trust me man, if $$$$$ wasn't a BIG consideration... We wouldn't be talking about the push setup right now. It's not that I don't feel it's a viable system or that I'm worried about it aside from just having to tune some... but I love the cutler... 7 psi to 15psi at our elevation, ZERO tuning, honestly a great setup that I trust... BUT, it's $2k more. The push is the only pump gas setup I think is worthy of running due to it being PRICED like a pump gas setup.

Also, I feel that the cutler would be a kit that should be installed by them... it seems more complex & is pretty split up, whereas the push comes much more assembled (also saving install $$/time) which makes it less likely that there will be any complex issue to deal with where a mistake could be made by a installer not terribly familiar with turbo applications.

I'm not trying to sell anybody a push setup here, I'm just stating the reasons I am willing to try it & for me... there's about $2000 of them


Another thing... Kevin knows I'm a friggin loudmouth that'll be screaming bloody whining murder if I get a setup that doesn't run worth a crap or takes a dump 800 miles in... I'm pretty sure if he's confident I'll be happy... I'll be happy.

Still torn about just spending the money & getting another of the same setup though... I do LOVE our stage II.