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Got it.. right on..
Got it.. right on..
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I ALSO READ THE HCS THREAD ALL 55 PAGES. IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING READ. I ALSO DECIDED TO RUN THE LEGENDS ZX2SR. BASE LINE WILL BE FROM NEW. MY PRO 163 HAS ONLY BEEN RUN BY THE DEALER FOR SET UP AND ON AND OFF THE TRAILER TO THE GARAGE. IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT GOES WRONG I WILL KEEP THE PEEPS INFORMED.
JUST WISH WE WOULD GET SOME SNOW TO START THE BREAK IN.
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Rocketboy
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Redline rates close to the top. That is what is in my sled now and with 500 miles I was surpise how dirty the ext valves were!
Coming off Ski Doo and I didn't think mine were ever that bad on there.
Not bashing the Redline as I have not ran the sled yet. That is what was in it when I purchased it. Thinking I will run the VES.
Coming off Ski Doo and I didn't think mine were ever that bad on there.
Not bashing the Redline as I have not ran the sled yet. That is what was in it when I purchased it. Thinking I will run the VES.
Update on my use of Legend ZX2R oil. Just pulled the head and exhaust valves off of my 2012 Pro last week after roughly 500 miles. The internals looked amazing, the exhaust valves were near perfect, didn't have to scrape anything off of them. This oil is amazing, I will use nothing else in my sleds.
Awesome. See above, post #11
I think the thing to take away is that most all of the big name brands came away with a passing grade. Are some better than others? Of course. Are some cleaner than others? Of course. Will my preferred oil be better than yours? Of course.
Let the great oil debate rage on!!!
Let the great oil debate rage on!!!
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idahosledhead
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I've owned Ski Doos, Arctic Cats, and Polaris sleds. I always use the maunfacturer's brand, because I know it's been tested and fomulated to work in their respective sleds. I will run VES Gold in my Pro.
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Covelli44
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How does the average sledder know they never had a problem with their oil? How long does the average sledder keep their sled?
My 2005 fusion (junk) had catastrophic engine failure.
One of my 2007 Switchback 600 burned down once.
My other 2007 Switchback 600 burned down twice.
My dealer told me that 600 motor is a very reliable engine. I had three engine failures in a two year period.
My dealer told me they believed my 2007s were an oil issue.
My 2009 Dragon 800 had catastrophic engine failure. It was so bad that a rebuild was impossible. Complete junk.
The one thing they ALL had in common was they all had Amsoil interceptor in them. Maybe NONE of these were oil related I really don't know. I know zero about oil. I am not bashing Amsoil. They are great community leader in our area and very well respected in the industry. I am currently running Interceptor in my sleds now. But now I am having doubts.
I always follow the manufactures break in procedures. And always bring them up to temp before riding. They have never seen a cover because if they are not on the snow they are in my covered trailer going some where or in my shop.
According to an supposedly independent test done by The Chemist from Hardcore sledder out of the top 25 oils listed, Dominator was rated 13th and Interceptor was not on the list.
FYI....
According to Amsoil (715-392-7101) Dominator is formulated for race sleds only.
The other thing they all have in common is they are Polaris made???
Not hating on Polaris as I own one myself. I believe there are so many variables that go into engine failure it is very difficult to determine the cause. It is crazy the way people react to a brand of oil when there are so many other factors in the mix.
Pro-8250 I am not picking on you or disagreeing with you. Like I said, I am a Polaris fan myself.
Too all the best of luck and hope none of us have the engine failures we speak of!
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kmo
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We have always used Amsoil interceptor in our sleds and 2-stroke dirt bikes. No engine failures at all, and always clean when disassembled. My 2007 Carl's 685 had just under 2,000 miles on it when I had Carl's open it up and inspect it for me. It was in great shape, and very clean. I ran it another 1850 miles prior to selling it a year ago and the last I heard from the new owner it was still running great. With this kind of history, there is no reason for me to change.
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R44guy
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Ok now I know everyone thinks they know what the best oil is and when we read published test results as tested and reported by independent testing centers.
I personally know the guy that builds all of the 600 Polaris race engines and yes the Poo race team is also sponsored by amsoil and they stopped using the ams oil due to lubrication issues and they have had Much better lubrication with klotz oil then ams oil. I am not a klotz fan but was surprised when I heard this.
I also know a few other engine builders that suggest other non amsoil products for any 2 stroke engine. Also Benny7 is correct lube tech does make all of the Polaris oils.
I also am not bashing amsoil and I know many of you are amsoil dealers and believe in it over 110%. Amsoil has a great theme and even better marketing plan to have a more limited small network of dealers which makes the product seem harder to get and more valuable.
I do not think amsoil is the worst oil but it certainly is not the best either.
I personally know the guy that builds all of the 600 Polaris race engines and yes the Poo race team is also sponsored by amsoil and they stopped using the ams oil due to lubrication issues and they have had Much better lubrication with klotz oil then ams oil. I am not a klotz fan but was surprised when I heard this.
I also know a few other engine builders that suggest other non amsoil products for any 2 stroke engine. Also Benny7 is correct lube tech does make all of the Polaris oils.
I also am not bashing amsoil and I know many of you are amsoil dealers and believe in it over 110%. Amsoil has a great theme and even better marketing plan to have a more limited small network of dealers which makes the product seem harder to get and more valuable.
I do not think amsoil is the worst oil but it certainly is not the best either.
If you run a major brand oil your chances of having an oil caused failure is so slim it's not worth even thinking about until it comes to exhaust valves. And even then the problem is with poor performance from a sticking valve caused by buildup, not seizure.
So for me how well the oil resists carbon and residue buildup on the exhaust valve is far more important to me than if an oil survived a test at 14,000 rpm.
So for me how well the oil resists carbon and residue buildup on the exhaust valve is far more important to me than if an oil survived a test at 14,000 rpm.
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Super Sled
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Don't know your sources but I'm positive Lube-tech makes the Poo oils...trust me
Correct. Lubetech makes Poo oils. From southern mn, I believe owatonna.
I agree. I am just letting the people know what I have found with the oil I have used. Used Interceptor for about 2 years, smelled horrible, exhaust valves needed a grinder taken to them to get the build up off. No engine failures with intercepter just stinky and dirty. Have used legend zx2r and zx2sr for the last few years, it smells great, and exhaust valves are rediculously clean, 2200 miles on my D700 and still no need to scrape anything off. I started with the zx2sr and switched to the zx2r because it was cheaper, for my use I saw no difference.
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kmo
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That is interesting, I never had much build up on my or my wife's exhaust valves with Interceptor. But then I only cleaned them yearly.
Fuel oil ratio is by far more critical than oil brand!!!
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shell_guy
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I am a huge believer in Redline or Klotz oil, I know a few of the big name ice and grass drag folks and they swear by it. One person in particular on a high HP race sled who was rebuilding motors every weekend using Amsoil noticed some rust on his crank after running Amsoil. He switched to Redline and can now get multiple races out of a rebuild and his internal parts all look fantastic.
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kmo
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It is important to note that there are several versions of Amsoil. Interceptor is the best choice for sleds. Dominator is not meant for the average guy, as it does lack the ability to keep internals from gaining some surface rust in the right conditions and it certainly does not burn all that clean.
Dominator is red in color, Interceptor is a typical motor oil color, amber.
Exactly what I was thinking. I laugh at the people that said... I ran interceptor in all my sleds for 6 years, never had a problem. But because I read another guys "test" I am switching...
I've ran interceptor with zero issues, it's cheap, its easy to get, it has protected me. Tore down the motor this past year and it looks great. Little piston scuff, but I have a CFI-4 motor. That was the reason for the tear down, to get a proper fitting piston in there. The piston had nothing I could feel on it, just the cosmetic properties.
I guess I also don't understand that test.
Castor oil protected to almost 14,000 RPM's. But failed? Because it is dirty?
