Powder Horn Ski Area to Host RMSHA Event in Feb!

[BOOFIT]

I have worked for 2 different ski areas and was in the mountain operations department for quite a few years. In my experience maintenance that occurs on lifts and snowmaking equipment in the summer has much more of an environmental impact than 100,000 snowmobiles cruising through on snow in the winter.(period) Let alone a select few for a race. Ski areas are not low impact (period).

Sorry about all the periods.(period)

Anyone know where I can get a nice Lynx coat or hat?

 

[milehighassassin]

I have also worked for lift maintenance and don't think it caused any damage environmentally.

Certainly not 100,000


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[BOHICA]

someone assist with a response here......i'm speachless...

Must not be any Lynx around Lands End. Surely they would have been violated by the yearly Hill Climb in August. Gotta love our government.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

I have also worked for lift maintenance and don't think it caused any damage environmentally.

Certainly not 100,000


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And you would be the one chiming in to defend Ski Resorts. They are the biggest flip flop industry in America. They want more terrain, they have somebody come in and do a "study" claiming there are no lynx or sign in the area. Bingo bango, expanded terrain. In come the loggers, skidsteers, dozers. Yep, animals love those things.

But when somebody wants to do something like host a small hillclimb which is very small compared to having literally 100s or 1000s of people milling around, sleds and groomers all day, every day, they cry foul and say you can't do that, it's lynx habitat. And then later that summer they allow some rich investor to build a 10000sf house that he lives in for 2-3 weeks a year.

 

[sledsrock]

Must not be any Lynx around Lands End. Surely they would have been violated by the yearly Hill Climb in August. Gotta love our government.

X2

 

[BOOFIT]

I have also worked for lift maintenance and don't think it caused any damage environmentally.

Certainly not 100,000


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Ok 100,000 is an exageration but you get my point.
Running trucks up and down the lift line. Grease falls to the ground when lubing the sheaves. Digging trenches all over the place to install snowmaking pipelines. And when you make snow the compressors bypass a small amount of oil and spray it into the air. etc. etc. etc.

 

[SSWIM]

What is really sad is that the ski area really wants to promote this type of activity. It is the FS that is throwing the wrench in the spokes. Talk about no compromise.

Sam

 

[BOOFIT]

What is really sad is that the ski area really wants to promote this type of activity. It is the FS that is throwing the wrench in the spokes. Talk about no compromise.

Sam

I hear you its the FS. This upcoming presidential vote is VERY important.

 

[milehighassassin]

Ok 100,000 is an exageration but you get my point.
Running trucks up and down the lift line. Grease falls to the ground when lubing the sheaves. Digging trenches all over the place to install snowmaking pipelines. And when you make snow the compressors bypass a small amount of oil and spray it into the air. etc. etc. etc.

Driving a truck up and down the lift lines? Really? That causes minimal damage. Not much grease gets to the ground. Most of that is contained to the lift houses. Snowmaking pipeline doesn't cause anymore damage than installing pipes for a housing development. I think all of those are really really really small. The most damaging aspect would be the clear-cutting of trees to make ski runs. You can spot a ski hill from an airplane and satellite.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

Driving a truck up and down the lift lines? Really? That causes minimal damage. Not much grease gets to the ground. Most of that is contained to the lift houses. Snowmaking pipeline doesn't cause anymore damage than installing pipes for a housing development. I think all of those are really really really small. The most damaging aspect would be the clear-cutting of trees to make ski runs. You can spot a ski hill from an airplane and satellite.

Back when I was young and dumb and I skied, I remember seeing huge blobs of grease hanging off the wheels. You are right about the snowmaking but the issue is the ski areas go by the philosophy "Do as I say, not as I do". And the USFS caters to them. I have no idea why. The environmental impact of a ski area is way more than any group of sledders could do in three lifetimes.

 

[BOOFIT]

Driving a truck up and down the lift lines? Really? That causes minimal damage. Not much grease gets to the ground. Most of that is contained to the lift houses. Snowmaking pipeline doesn't cause anymore damage than installing pipes for a housing development. I think all of those are really really really small. The most damaging aspect would be the clear-cutting of trees to make ski runs. You can spot a ski hill from an airplane and satellite.

My point is that just having a ski area is much more of an environmental imact than a freaking hill climb event. Again, ski areas are not low impact although they too have alot of support from the greenies. go figure.

 

[Leardriver]

Apparently,
it is environmentally friendly to clearcut the forest to put a big wide noble ski resort run in, but to temporarily ride several feet on top of the snow, leaving no trace, is too high of an impact. Typical bong politics.

 

[Tree Boss]

It's complete BS that you guys are not going to be getting a race there. I live close to alot of the races and enjoy going to them when the season is here. Because some Grimace in the FS is screws locals from attending a fun event that the whole family can enjoy. I hope they never stop Jackson from holding the Championship and I doubt they ever would due to how much revenue that brings to that town that weekend. It's the one time a year that Jackson is more like it's in WY then Cali


Oh ya and the whole Lynx thing......spare me what a bunch of BS

 

[MtnDoo]

I tend to dis-agree. The USFS (Rick Cables & Charlie Richmond) cow-towed to the local environmental groups in Crested Butte (less than 4% of the population) and denied our ski area's expansion of 275ac. The result has taken a bad situation economically and made it drastically worse. What's more - at the exact time, they approved over 1000ac for a new snowcat skiing area IN A ROADLESS AREA no less!! ..oh, that new snowcat ski area is run by the same greenie-weenie enviro's that convinced the USFS to shut down the real ski area's expansion!

Nuckin Futs, CO.

BTW - http://www.saminfo.com/news/article.php?tid=5452

Back when I was young and dumb and I skied, I remember seeing huge blobs of grease hanging off the wheels. You are right about the snowmaking but the issue is the ski areas go by the philosophy "Do as I say, not as I do". And the USFS caters to them. I have no idea why. The environmental impact of a ski area is way more than any group of sledders could do in three lifetimes.

 

[PJ-Hunter]

I tend to dis-agree. The USFS (Rick Cables & Charlie Richmond) cow-towed to the local environmental groups in Crested Butte (less than 4% of the population) and denied our ski area's expansion of 275ac. The result has taken a bad situation economically and made it drastically worse. What's more - at the exact time, they approved over 1000ac for a new snowcat skiing area IN A ROADLESS AREA no less!! ..oh, that new snowcat ski area is run by the same greenie-weenie enviro's that convinced the USFS to shut down the real ski area's expansion!

Nuckin Futs, CO.

BTW - http://www.saminfo.com/news/article.php?tid=5452

SAME difference in my book. they catered to a snowcat SKIING operation. As they do on Buff Pass. some of the sickest and steepest hillclimbs on Buff Pass are closed for the snowcat operation. It's in the approved motorized use area but just that small section is closed to sleds. just a couple signs though.

BTW, I almost hit a lynx on Highway 9 headed to work (had to be, it was a tad bigger than a coyote bur smaller than a Mt Lion) maybe I should tell the USFS and they can close down the HWY to possible lynx habitat.

 

[rmkjeff]

I love lynx but cant eat a whole one.

 

[rmkjeff]

I love lynx but cant eat a whole one.

 

[MtnDoo]

PJ,

The 1000ac for the new snowcat skiing operation is NOT closed to snowmobiles in our area. My only point was that the USFS is not friendly to anyone - it's more or less an equal opportunity offender. The other angle discussed locally is that they allowed the snowcat ski area to keep the two anti-mine folks in that valley to fight their fight for them, before they have to. Enviro's don't like rocks either.

MD.

SAME difference in my book. they catered to a snowcat SKIING operation. As they do on Buff Pass. some of the sickest and steepest hillclimbs on Buff Pass are closed for the snowcat operation. It's in the approved motorized use area but just that small section is closed to sleds. just a couple signs though.

BTW, I almost hit a lynx on Highway 9 headed to work (had to be, it was a tad bigger than a coyote bur smaller than a Mt Lion) maybe I should tell the USFS and they can close down the HWY to possible lynx habitat.

 

[milehighassassin]

I'd much rather have the snowcat skiing allowed than the ski area expansion. Ski areas are pretty much there forever once they go in.


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[PJ-Hunter]

PJ,

The 1000ac for the new snowcat skiing operation is NOT closed to snowmobiles in our area. My only point was that the USFS is not friendly to anyone - it's more or less an equal opportunity offender. The other angle discussed locally is that they allowed the snowcat ski area to keep the two anti-mine folks in that valley to fight their fight for them, before they have to. Enviro's don't like rocks either.

MD.

You are lucky then. It's closed to sledders here. I just wish we could use all public lands. Everybody. This fighting over Natl. Forest and BLM is BS. We all pay taxes on it. Wish people would figure that out.