Polaris Rush

tommyboy_888 · Aug 22, 2009

triple7 said:
Can someone explain to me the geometry behind the idea that the you have to be seated, not standing, to weight the rear end and make the skid work properly?? Cant you weight the rear end from standing?? Doesnt look to me like the seat transitions motion and movement to the skid, could be wrong though???

As a flatlander I think I can help you out with this one

I ride trails almost exclusively and can rack up over 300 miles in a afternoon of riding.

When seated maximum weight is on the rear of the sled. The body is dead weight. You hit a bump, mogul, drainage ditch, whatever and all that weight comes down on the rear suspension.

When you stand you will be leaning forward slightly and will naturally bend at the knees. You hit the same bump and insead of the full weight of the rider transfering to the rear skid, the knees absorb alot of the shock (unless you stand stiff legged, I cant imagine anybody would do that though). The weight could still be close to the same as seated but the inertia forces are way different.

For example jump off a chair and land with your legs stiff and jump off a chair with your knees bent. You will see the difference pretty quick.

This chassis may be something special or it could be a flop, only time will tell. I do think that it makes more sense to have it as a trail sled though.

Do you guys out west bottom out you rear suspensions much?

Bkinz · Aug 22, 2009

I bottom mine out, and it is always going down the trails with the 2 foot rollers. I think its time for a new rear skid.

redneckssledder · Aug 22, 2009

NoSecondChances said:
Whatever they want to do with the rear suspension is up to them, it may work....it may not. It may be the ugliest sled since the first the 1971 Cheetah. Time will tell.

The bigger issue I have is why Polaris would be dumb enough to locate the rad right in the middle of the bellypan? That thing would have a hole in it within 10 mins from the parking lot, at least where we ride. Most western riders hit at least half a dozen small trees each time out, not sure why the rad is placed in the most abused spot on a western sled. Either there was no R&D on this thing out west, or Polaris never intended for it to be used here.

NSC

some family friends own a polaris dealership, and they had the chance of going to the test ride, couple guys mowed a couple trees over and the rad didnt have a scratch in it, they also said it was the best ride they have ever had. he said the group was hitting approaches at 80 plus, and the sled handled amazing in the air

IQRIDR · Aug 22, 2009

I'm just wondering why so many skeptics when it's so easy to look at it, and purely from a function and innovation standpoint, realize how great of an idea it is. Imagine riding our dirtbikes with sled style rear skids, it would suck. This is only the first version of it, gauranteed it will be perfected for the mountains and different styles, chassis. I'd bet my bottom dollar on it.

ne1cadrgn · Aug 23, 2009

I would love to Airbrush something sick on one.

ChickenTrax · Aug 23, 2009

Wouldn't the tubes coming up from the rails drag pretty bad on a deep snow sled?

Bullheadmoto · Aug 23, 2009

I have had all brands, but if I had to pick a fave, it would be Tuning Forks. That being said, I LOVE the looks and concept of the Rush and bet it flies through the air with the greatest of ease. Small, compact, mean looking..it looks like a toy, a very cool, badass toy that you lusted after when you were 12. And isn't that what motorsports are all about? To make us feel like a kid again? I think it's brilliant!

As for innovation, there is none; regeneration maybe..they just copied and updated the rear suspension of the 1988 SnoScoot.

BHM

trailtoy1993 · Aug 23, 2009

tommyboy_888 said:
Do you guys out west bottom out you rear suspensions much?

Hellsyes we bottom out our suspensions, its not all bottomless fluff from the parking lot to the top of the mountain.

We often have pretty long trail rides just to get to the good stuff and sometimes we even just ride trails (like to Whistlin' Jacks for thursday night prime rib

) And, to make matters worse our groomers only groom once a week, I personally hammer the wee out of my sled on whoops every ride, I even bent on of my chicken s*** IQ A-arms on a whooped out trail year before last. That combined with flat landings off the side of the trail back onto the trail.... well you get the idea. You flatlanders aren't the only ones that ditch bang around on a trail. We can use all the suspension we can get out west too. :beer;

tommyboy_888 · Aug 24, 2009

trailtoy1993 said:
Hellsyes we bottom out our suspensions, its not all bottomless fluff from the parking lot to the top of the mountain.

We often have pretty long trail rides just to get to the good stuff and sometimes we even just ride trails (like to Whistlin' Jacks for thursday night prime rib ) And, to make matters worse our groomers only groom once a week, I personally hammer the wee out of my sled on whoops every ride, I even bent on of my chicken s*** IQ A-arms on a whooped out trail year before last. That combined with flat landings off the side of the trail back onto the trail.... well you get the idea. You flatlanders aren't the only ones that ditch bang around on a trail. We can use all the suspension we can get out west too.

Good to know. I was under the impression that you guys did ride through endless pow. For true.

tommyboy_888 · Aug 24, 2009

Don't get me wrong I would love to see this work, and work well. I'm just not a fan of people reinventing the wheel.

People can't possibly say that this will work great by looking at it, its not the same as the suspension in a dirt bike, unless a dirt bike has added a shock that I dont know about.

I cant wait to light it up on the trails with this badboy in a test run, and hope it isnt just hype.

NorthMNSledder · Aug 24, 2009

tommyboy_888 said:
Don't get me wrong I would love to see this work, and work well. I'm just not a fan of people reinventing the wheel.

People can't possibly say that this will work great by looking at it, its not the same as the suspension in a dirt bike, unless a dirt bike has added a shock that I dont know about.

I cant wait to light it up on the trails with this badboy in a test run, and hope it isnt just hype.

How does Polaris creating a "new for a sled" type of rear suspension classify as "reinventing the wheel"? Or are you saying that Snowmobile rear suspensions are perfect as is and should remain that style until the end of time?

Did you say the same thing when manufactures came out with A-arms up front? I guess I'm not getting your point.

tommyboy_888 · Aug 25, 2009

NorthMNSledder said:
How does Polaris creating a "new for a sled" type of rear suspension classify as "reinventing the wheel"? Or are you saying that Snowmobile rear suspensions are perfect as is and should remain that style until the end of time?

Did you say the same thing when manufactures came out with A-arms up front? I guess I'm not getting your point.

Wow, where did that come from?

Read all my post, then you will understand that I really want this to work, but I dont sit infront of the computer watching the ad over and over again getting hyped about this great new rear suspension that I have never even been on.(Not that I am saying you do, but I think that some guys do that)

I don't know where you got the impression that I think rear suspensions are perfect?

I don't know where you got the impression that I am not a fan of innovation?

I read articles like this:

http://www.snowmobile.com/manufacturers/polaris/2010-polaris-rush-review-857.html

and know that when they give "our opinion" that is so so, I become a skeptic. They also said that it is still a fun ride however.

BTW - I did say the same thing when A-arms came out, rode sleds with them, and love them.

MBR44 · Aug 25, 2009

I had the pleasure of riding one of these back here in MI at the end of the season. Let me clear this up, IT IS A FLAT LANDER SLED AND HAS NO INTENTIONS OF MAKING IT OUT WEST. It rides and corners great. The front track shock can still be bottomed out but has much more adjustability to prevent this. The clickers actually work. Mine was soft so I turned it up 4-6 turns and it was way too stiff. It adjusts with just a turn, the front spring to control ski lift and the rear clicker to adjust the progressive rate. It runs great, as well at my IQR with the shocks done very well. It is easy to move around on and the ergos are great. It is a trail sled only, we took ours off trail and it is impossible and dangerous to try to toss a leg over and have both on one board. I tried it and almost fell off and got my foot stuck in the tubing. I don't see it much better than the IQR so I bet you see it in the cross country circuit rather than on the race track. The chassis is stiff and easy to work on. The front heat exchanger is built into the frame so there is no way you can puncture the fins easily, think of it like the front tunnel heat exchanger, same thing. I looked to see if I could get my 1200 watercraft into one and I dont think I would try and can't see how a set of crankshops could fit. Way too expensive to drop another $10k into with a triple. It is a great trail sled and will get great reviews except the price, ouch for a six.

NorthMNSledder · Aug 25, 2009

tommyboy_888 said:
Wow, where did that come from?

Read all my post, then you will understand that I really want this to work, but I dont sit infront of the computer watching the ad over and over again getting hyped about this great new rear suspension that I have never even been on.(Not that I am saying you do, but I think that some guys do that)

I don't know where you got the impression that I think rear suspensions are perfect?

I don't know where you got the impression that I am not a fan of innovation?

I read articles like this:

http://www.snowmobile.com/manufacturers/polaris/2010-polaris-rush-review-857.html

and know that when they give "our opinion" that is so so, I become a skeptic. They also said that it is still a fun ride however.

BTW - I did say the same thing when A-arms came out, rode sleds with them, and love them.

I did read all of your posts and in the post of yours I quoted you said;

tommyboy_888 said:
Don't get me wrong I would love to see this work, and work well. I'm just not a fan of people reinventing the wheel.

People can't possibly say that this will work great by looking at it, its not the same as the suspension in a dirt bike, unless a dirt bike has added a shock that I dont know about.

I cant wait to light it up on the trails with this badboy in a test run, and hope it isnt just hype.

Because when a person says that I'm just not a fan of people reinventing the wheel that would mean that don't want change and you are happy with what we have. We already have a rear suspension system that works and you don't feel like there needs to be another.

I meant no ill will by my comment and I was a little surprised that in your first sentence you said that "Don't get me wrong I would love to see this work, and work well" and then you turn around and say "I'm just not a fan of people reinventing the wheel". It just seamed funny to me I guess.

Anyway after getting a chance to ride one last spring on a test ride I'm sure they will be a great sled and the new suspension I thought worked very well. However with my type of riding I will never own one, but still an interesting design and a very comfortable design.

NorthMNSledder · Aug 25, 2009

MBR44 said:
I had the pleasure of riding one of these back here in MI at the end of the season. Let me clear this up, IT IS A FLAT LANDER SLED AND HAS NO INTENTIONS OF MAKING IT OUT WEST. It rides and corners great. The front track shock can still be bottomed out but has much more adjustability to prevent this. The clickers actually work. Mine was soft so I turned it up 4-6 turns and it was way too stiff. It adjusts with just a turn, the front spring to control ski lift and the rear clicker to adjust the progressive rate. It runs great, as well at my IQR with the shocks done very well. It is easy to move around on and the ergos are great. It is a trail sled only, we took ours off trail and it is impossible and dangerous to try to toss a leg over and have both on one board. I tried it and almost fell off and got my foot stuck in the tubing. I don't see it much better than the IQR so I bet you see it in the cross country circuit rather than on the race track. The chassis is stiff and easy to work on. The front heat exchanger is built into the frame so there is no way you can puncture the fins easily, think of it like the front tunnel heat exchanger, same thing. I looked to see if I could get my 1200 watercraft into one and I dont think I would try and can't see how a set of crankshops could fit. Way too expensive to drop another $10k into with a triple. It is a great trail sled and will get great reviews except the price, ouch for a six.

That is the same thing I was told by a few Polaris Reps, however they would not comment when I asked if the front of the rush was the new front for the RMK line.

sledhead747 · Aug 25, 2009

to anyone who thinks its the ugliest sled ever, and hate it for just that, my dad had the chance to test ride one in march, he said it was unlike anything he had every riden befor. he has always been a doo guy as am i and would never jump to any other make, but he said the difference is just amazing and it blows the xp away on the trail. the only thing he didnt like was the 600 only option. he has been on 800's for a long time and the 6's just dont stand up to that.

MBR44 · Aug 25, 2009

I could see that front end on other sleds or at least the bulkhead. It is definately the best consumer sled I have ridden out of the box. I rather have that than a pretty sled. An 800 is essential to make this sled sell well.

PowderProject · Aug 25, 2009

Does the Rush thread belong in Mountain/Deep Powder section?

mountainhorse · Aug 25, 2009

C'mon... someone with deep pockets has to want to build a long tracked version of this sukka...

I coud see a twin piped, race gas, 660 Struthers motor in this puppy, Raw tunnel, Light skid, light steerig gear, floats, Cromo or Ti A-arms, Pow pros, radiator delete...

Super nimble, very rigid and lightwieght.

I'd build it as a 141 with the Power Claw or 146 with the Camo Extreme.

Snorider · Aug 26, 2009

PowderProject said:
Does the Rush thread belong in Mountain/Deep Powder section?

of course it does since we are trying to get someone to convert it to a mountain sled.

:beer;

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