Parent rights at school with your kid being interagated?

[Sidehiller]

OK as most of you may or may not know my wife is a teacher. Most of the problems with kids in school nowdays begin right at home. The same people that are saying give the kid a break, treat the issue discretly, give him detention, make him take out the garbage, give him more home work. Whatever it is that has been said in support of any kid who "accidently" brought the gun or knife or needles to school are the same people who would be right there in a minute jumping down the teachers throat or the Principles throat if they tried to do that to my poor innocent little Johnny. I agree most kids have no role models. no respect, no religion and no discipline. But hey people where is that supposed to come from? You geussed it the parents. And the parents are the same people who are teaching their kids to disrespect authority, whether it be the police, the principle or the teacher or an elder. You do this by getting on a forum and rant and rave about the POS principle or the teacher or the police instead of backing up the person in authority. And if you do it here you dam sure do it at home with your spouse in front of your kids. Guess what you just taught them? When I was a kid my parents always took the teachers side or the principles side and yes the Polices side and I always regretted the dumb thing I did and dam sure never did it again.

And yess I carried a pocket knife to school when I was a kid, but those were differant times than we are in now. We didn't have video games that were full of nothing but blood and gore. Now days kids tend to react with a whole lot more violence than they once did. When kids got in fights when I grew up, as soon as someone hit the ground the fight was over, now when someone hits the ground it is time to start kicking that person in the head until who knows what.

And as for the speeding thing. You dam right if I get caught speeding and get a ticket, I act like a man, take responsibility for speeding and I pay the fine. I don't go to court and say but Mister Judge I was accidently going to fast, and the officer interogated me by saying did you know how fast you were going?

Rules are rules and if you break them there are (or at least there are supposed to be) consequences.

You obviously didn't read what I said about the speeder.I asked if it was my duty to dall the cops every time I SAW a speeder. I agree that if I get caught speeding I should (and do) pay the ticket without whining.
As far as backing up authority no matter what? Weren't there some Germans who did that a few years ago? You should respect authority, but not blindly.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

OK as most of you may or may not know my wife is a teacher. Most of the problems with kids in school nowdays begin right at home. The same people that are saying give the kid a break, treat the issue discretly, give him detention, make him take out the garbage, give him more home work. Whatever it is that has been said in support of any kid who "accidently" brought the gun or knife or needles to school are the same people who would be right there in a minute jumping down the teachers throat or the Principles throat if they tried to do that to my poor innocent little Johnny. I agree most kids have no role models. no respect, no religion and no discipline. But hey people where is that supposed to come from? You geussed it the parents. And the parents are the same people who are teaching their kids to disrespect authority, whether it be the police, the principle or the teacher or an elder. You do this by getting on a forum and rant and rave about the POS principle or the teacher or the police instead of backing up the person in authority. And if you do it here you dam sure do it at home with your spouse in front of your kids. Guess what you just taught them? When I was a kid my parents always took the teachers side or the principles side and yes the Polices side and I always regretted the dumb thing I did and dam sure never did it again.

And yess I carried a pocket knife to school when I was a kid, but those were differant times than we are in now. We didn't have video games that were full of nothing but blood and gore. Now days kids tend to react with a whole lot more violence than they once did. When kids got in fights when I grew up, as soon as someone hit the ground the fight was over, now when someone hits the ground it is time to start kicking that person in the head until who knows what.

And as for the speeding thing. You dam right if I get caught speeding and get a ticket, I act like a man, take responsibility for speeding and I pay the fine. I don't go to court and say but Mister Judge I was accidently going to fast, and the officer interogated me by saying did you know how fast you were going?

Rules are rules and if you break them there are (or at least there are supposed to be) consequences.

I sleep with a dental assistant every night, would you like me to fill a cavity in your tooth? Im an expert on all things dental

I guess since your wife is a teacher that trumps all my thoughts on the subject as a father with a son in the same age bracket.

I agree that most problems with kids begin at home, but don't dare tell me I'm doing it wrong by somehow making the asumption that my thoughts on this forum somehow ='s my kid being disrespectful to teachers, cops or any other authority figure.....quite the opposite.

Are you going to try to make the arguement that denied education by suspension is a reasonable punishement in any circumstance?

A good parent is going to be very involved with their kids' life in every aspect, including punishments in school. If a principal interrogates my kid, then threatens them for not ratting out their friend then I'm going to take issue with it.

 

[Superdutytd]

90 minutes of questioning? That is a bit much, jmo though. I would be having a talk about that with the principal. I'm all for discipline and everything that goes along with it but interrogation and questioning are two different things.

 

[Ultra]

As far as backing up authority no matter what? Weren't there some Germans who did that a few years ago? You should respect authority, but not blindly.

Genuine respect only come to those that earn it, commanded respect is hollow.

 

[interested]

If you're worried about what takes place in the principal's office, you are a good parent. If you wish, you may simply request, in a kind tone, that you be present the next time your child is brought into the principal's office. Be aware and willing, if the phone rings, to have one or both parents get to the school ASAP and be prepared to LISTEN to all sides of the story before reacting. Like any job, there are great principals and then... It is okay and praise worthy to stand up for and behind your child. Just realize your actions will affect your child be they positive or negative.

 

[skidoorulz]

I sleep with a dental assistant every night, would you like me to fill a cavity in your tooth? Im an expert on all things dental

I guess since your wife is a teacher that trumps all my thoughts on the subject as a father with a son in the same age bracket.

I agree that most problems with kids begin at home, but don't dare tell me I'm doing it wrong by somehow making the asumption that my thoughts on this forum somehow ='s my kid being disrespectful to teachers, cops or any other authority figure.....quite the opposite.

Are you going to try to make the arguement that denied education by suspension is a reasonable punishement in any circumstance?

A good parent is going to be very involved with their kids' life in every aspect, including punishments in school. If a principal interrogates my kid, then threatens them for not ratting out their friend then I'm going to take issue with it.

I'm sorry I forgot, I am not allowed to have an opinion. Only those that agree with threads are allowed to have opinions. Your Dental assistant comment is just plain stupid. I never said I was qualified to teach school. But after being married to a teacher fo 30 years I'd say that gives me a real good insight on what goes on in schools on a day to day basis and how things have changed in the last 30 years. And the reason I know what goes on is my wife and I actually talk to each other. My wife had her nose broke by a kid and the parents said my little Johnnie would never have done such a thing without being provoked. Come on my wife is 4'10" and about 100 pounds. How much provoking could she have done? I knew this kid and he definatley has issues. Guess what nothing happened to the kid. Nothing by the school and nothing by Law. and the wife was told to drop it. This is just one example of why there needs to be zero tolerance in school. What happens the next time when this little Johnny brings a knife? And shows his friend and the freind says nothing to no one and Little "my child would never do such a thing" Johnny pulls this knife and stabs someone. What are you going to be saying then when that someone is your child.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

I'm sorry I forgot, I am not allowed to have an opinion. Only those that agree with threads are allowed to have opinions. Your Dental assistant comment is just plain stupid. I never said I was qualified to teach school. But after being married to a teacher fo 30 years I'd say that gives me a real good insight on what goes on in schools on a day to day basis and how things have changed in the last 30 years. And the reason I know what goes on is my wife and I actually talk to each other. My wife had her nose broke by a kid and the parents said my little Johnnie would never have done such a thing without being provoked. Come on my wife is 4'10" and about 100 pounds. How much provoking could she have done? I knew this kid and he definatley has issues. Guess what nothing happened to the kid. Nothing by the school and nothing by Law. and the wife was told to drop it. This is just one example of why there needs to be zero tolerance in school. What happens the next time when this little Johnny brings a knife? And shows his friend and the freind says nothing to no one and Little "my child would never do such a thing" Johnny pulls this knife and stabs someone. What are you going to be saying then when that someone is your child.

Maybe your teacher wife needs to teach you some reading comprehension. I didn't trample on your opinion nor did I try to quash it.

I was simply pointing out how your experience of listening to your wife complain about her school for 30 years has very little to do with my school and my child or even that of the person who made this thread.

I'm sorry your wife got hit, but the outcome you describe makes no since unless the kid has autism.

again, you fail to explain how denying a kid education (by suspension) for a non-voilent offence is ok?

Also, please explain to me why a principal should be allowed to interrogate and make threats to a child for 90 minutes for not telling on a friend for having a pocket knife?

Do you think compassion and commen since leadership has no place in school?

These children are 12 years old, and this isn't some high crime school in the projects.

A zero-tolerence invironment has no leadership, no guidance. Its simply a system of enforcers and the enforced.

 

[Weekday Warrior]

The rules at this school clearly allow for discresion, this is not a zero tolerance school.

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[Weekday Warrior]

Policy
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STUDENTS
Short-Term Suspension​

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Students may be excluded by the principal or his designee from school or any school function for a period of up to five school days on the following grounds:​

1. A.

Conduct constituting grounds for expulsion as hereinafter set forth; or

1. B.

Other violations of rules and standards of behavior adopted by the Lincoln Board of Education or the administrative staff of the school.

1. C.

The following process will apply to short-term suspension:

1. 1.

The party considering the short-term suspension shall make a reasonable investigation of the facts and circumstances. In addition, such short-term suspension shall be made only after a determination that the suspension is necessary to help any student, to further school purposes, or to prevent an interference with school purposes.

1. 2.

Prior to commencement of the short-term suspension, the student shall be given **** or written notice of the charges against the student. The student shall be advised of what the student is accused of having done, and the basis of the accusation, and an explanation of the evidence the authorities have.

1. 3.

The student shall be afforded an opportunity to explain the student’s version of the facts to the person effecting the short-term suspension.

1. 4.

Within 24 hours or such additional time as is reasonably necessary following the suspension, the principal or administrator shall send a written statement to the student, and the student’s parent or guardian describing the student’s conduct, misconduct or violation of the rule or standard and the reasons for the action taken. An opportunity shall be afforded to the student, and the student’s parent or guardian, to have a conference with regard to the matter with the principal or administrator ordering the short-term suspension before or at the time the student returns to school. The principal or administrator shall determine who in addition to the parents or guardians shall attend the conference.
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Long-term suspension shall mean the exclusion of a student from attendance in all schools and grounds within the system for a period exceeding five school days but less than 20 school days.​

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Expulsion shall mean exclusion from attendance in all schools within the system for a period not to exceed the remainder of the semester in which it took effect unless the misconduct occurred (a) within 10 school days prior to the end of the first semester, in which case the expulsion shall remain in effect through the second semester, or (b) within 10 school days prior to the end of the second semester, in which case the expulsion shall remain in effect for summer school and the first semester of the following school year, or (c) unless the expulsion is for conduct specified in Policy 5480(c), in which case the expulsion shall remain in effect for the period specified therein. Such action may be modified or terminated by the school district at any time during the expulsion period.

1. B.

Any expulsion that will remain in effect during the first semester of the following school year shall be automatically scheduled for review before the beginning of the school year. The review shall be conducted by the hearing officer who conducted the initial expulsion hearing, or a hearing officer appointed by the superintendent in the event no hearing was previously held or the initial hearing officer is no longer available or willing to serve, after the hearing officer has given notice of the review to the student and the student’s parent or guardian. This review shall be limited to newly discovered evidence or evidence of changes in the student’s circumstances occurring since the original hearing. This review may lead to a recommendation by the hearing officer that the student be readmitted for the upcoming school year. If the school board or board of education or a committee of such board took the final action to expel the student, the student may be readmitted only by action of the board. Otherwise the student may be readmitted by action of the superintendent.

1. C.

Enforcement of an expulsion action may be suspended (i.e., "stayed") for a period of not more than one full semester in addition to the balance of the semester in which the expulsion takes effect, and as a condition of such suspended action, the student may be assigned to a school, class, or program which the school district deems appropriate for rehabilitation of the student. In lieu of other authorized educational programs to which the student may be assigned, such school, class, or program may be offered as a community-centered classroom and may include experiences for the student as an observer or aide in governmental functions, as an on-the-job trainee, and as a participant in specialized tutorial experiences or individually prescribed educational and counseling programs. Such programs shall include an individualized learning program to enable the student to continue academic work for credit toward graduation. At the conclusion of the designated period: (1) if the student has satisfactorily participated in the school, class, or program to which such student has been assigned, the student shall be reinstated and permitted to return to the school of former attendance or to attend other programs offered by the district, and action to expunge the record of the expulsion action may be taken at the discretion of the director of student services or his/her administrative assistant, or (2) if the
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Prior to the readmission to school of any student who is less than 19 years of age and who is subject to the supervision of a juvenile probation officer or an adult probation officer pursuant to the order of the District Court, County Court, Juvenile Court, who chooses to meet conditions of probation by attending school, and who has previously been expelled from school, the director of student services or designee shall meet with the student’s probation officer and assist in developing conditions of probation that will provide specific guidelines for behavior and consequences for misbehavior at school (including conduct on school grounds and conduct during an educational function or event off school grounds) as well as educational objectives that must be achieved. If the guidelines, consequences, and objectives provided by the director of student services or designee are agreed to by the probation officer and the student, and the court permits the student to return to school under the agreed to conditions, the student may be permitted to return to school. The student shall, upon such return, be screened by the school for possible disabilities and, if the screening so indicates, be referred for evaluation for possible placement in a special education program. The student may be expelled or otherwise disciplined for subsequent conduct as provided in board policy and state statute.

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A student who is removed from school for any period of time (short-term or long-term suspension or expulsion) shall not be permitted on school grounds for the duration of the removal without the express permission of the school officials.
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[skidoorulz]

Maybe your teacher wife needs to teach you some reading comprehension. I didn't trample on your opinion nor did I try to quash it.

I was simply pointing out how your experience of listening to your wife complain about her school for 30 years has very little to do with my school and my child or even that of the person who made this thread.

I'm sorry your wife got hit, but the outcome you describe makes no since unless the kid has autism.

again, you fail to explain how denying a kid education (by suspension) for a non-voilent offence is ok?

Also, please explain to me why a principal should be allowed to interrogate and make threats to a child for 90 minutes for not telling on a friend for having a pocket knife?

Do you think compassion and commen since leadership has no place in school?

These children are 12 years old, and this isn't some high crime school in the projects.

A zero-tolerence invironment has no leadership, no guidance. Its simply a system of enforcers and the enforced.

I never said my wife has complained about her job or school for thirty years. Maybe you should work on your reading comprhension, I said we talk about what goes on and how things have changed and yes most of it boils down to the homelife and the fact that parents now days want to be their childs best freind not their parent.
I also do not, I'll say it again do not beleive that a 3 day suspension is denying any kid an education unless the kid is so dam dumb there is no way they will ever be able to make up the missed days work. It is simply an inconveniance for the parents because now they have to get someone to watch their kid for 3 days.

As far as the Principle "interogating" the kid for "90 minutes" and "threatening" the kid. My god man you know as well as I do, kids tend to stretch the truth somewhat. I'd be willing to bet if the Principles side was posted on here it would be quite a bit differant. But no lets beleive the kids story as the God's honest truth and crucify the Principle without even getting both sides of the story. That is the typical parents reaction now days.

And yes they were just 12 year olds but the younger they are the less they think about the consequences or the outcome of a stupid decision. And I also agree that we aren't talking about a school in the projects, but Columbine wasn't in the projects, now was it?

 

[Mafesto]

Here's what I would do......

Box up a hunting knife & gift wrap it all nice & stuff.
Have your son give it to pricipal dillweed, but ask him NOT to open it until the end of the school day.

Then you make an anonomous phone call to the police that the principal is weapons hidden in his office.

 

[theultrarider]

I had a freinds 1st grade kid get suspended from school about 2 months ago for bringing explosives to school!!! Yep, that's right, a 1st grader with an explosive device. Poor kid forgot he had a roll of paper caps in his pocket and pulled them out when he stuck is hand in his pocket and felt something. A teacher saw them and immediately took him to the prinicipals office. Zero tolerance. Gun powder is gun powder and he was suspended.

Common sense is VERY uncommon these days...

 

[Weekday Warrior]

I never said my wife has complained about her job or school for thirty years. Maybe you should work on your reading comprhension, I said we talk about what goes on and how things have changed and yes most of it boils down to the homelife and the fact that parents now days want to be their childs best freind not their parent.
I also do not, I'll say it again do not beleive that a 3 day suspension is denying any kid an education unless the kid is so dam dumb there is no way they will ever be able to make up the missed days work. It is simply an inconveniance for the parents because now they have to get someone to watch their kid for 3 days.

As far as the Principle "interogating" the kid for "90 minutes" and "threatening" the kid. My god man you know as well as I do, kids tend to stretch the truth somewhat. I'd be willing to bet if the Principles side was posted on here it would be quite a bit differant. But no lets beleive the kids story as the God's honest truth and crucify the Principle without even getting both sides of the story. That is the typical parents reaction now days.

And yes they were just 12 year olds but the younger they are the less they think about the consequences or the outcome of a stupid decision. And I also agree that we aren't talking about a school in the projects, but Columbine wasn't in the projects, now was it?

Maybe you should work on your reading comprhension,

My comprehension is fine, I added words to your mouth (or post I should say)

it boils down to the homelife and the fact that parents now days want to be their childs best freind not their parent.

Totally agreed on home the home life and failure of parents generally. I'll add that I'm not so worried about the father who wants to be the best friend of their boy, but more the parents who simply ignore their children. Or kids in a drug house, or abused.

I also do not, I'll say it again do not beleive that a 3 day suspension is denying any kid an education unless the kid is so dam dumb there is no way they will ever be able to make up the missed days work. It is simply an inconveniance for the parents because now they have to get someone to watch their kid for 3 days.

3 day suspension (or longer) is nothing more than taking the easy way out for the school, no kid no problems? You agreed there is a failure of parenting yet you suggest that schools should send kids home for more failure parenting? Tell me how thats going to teach a kid something? Why not take a teachable moment and use it to teach the kid a life lesson? That'd be hard and its easier to simply remove the kid. Violent offences I agree remove the threat, but not for non-violent simple offences.
(I am genreally speaking and not inferring anything about the parents in this thread)

As far as the Principle "interogating" the kid for "90 minutes" and "threatening" the kid. My god man you know as well as I do, kids tend to stretch the truth somewhat.

Yes kids stretch the truth, and the longer you question them the further that truth stretches, after 90 minutes the kid probably doesn't even remember the truth anymore...its just stress at that point.

 

[DenverR1]

That's what some live for here.
I saw what you're saying and felt if he truly was being "Interrogated" then the school went too far IMO.
Simply asking questions is not confused with interrogationg.
no-one has the right to Interrogate a child without council...School grounds or not, they still are bound by the bill of rights and the constitution.
But I'll only get flamed for having an opinion.
Flame away dum bass.

Yes, you get what you pay for and some of us will give our opinions freely.
You don't agree with my opinion? oh well.

Oh, and GFYS

Not true. Interrogation only falls under criminal law and this child was being questioned by a person who has no arrest powers. If the principal had called the police and they began to question him it would be different.

I see both sides to this story. The principal was taking a hard line and probably trying a little scare tactics which I believe can be good. But he could have drawn the line when speaking to Himark and leveled with him. He could have told Himark why he was being tough on his son instead of continuing with the scare tactics.