Dude...take a pill....it goes both ways. You have your opinion and they have theirs...I don't see them calling you a dum bass and telling you to gfys....pick what you plant...
Parent rights at school with your kid being interagated?
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Dude...take a pill....it goes both ways. You have your opinion and they have theirs...I don't see them calling you a dum bass and telling you to gfys....pick what you plant...
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BigJake
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The way some of you "talk" on this thread means either you don't have children or don't have a clue. Parents need to show responsibility & teach their children responsibility. Parents also need to be protective and teach their children good morals and make sure they know right from wrong. From some of your posts you act as if the principle, school, etc. has absolute power over your children. That can't be farther from the truth. What about the teachers that like to take advantage of young children, etc. Will you let them do whatever they want? I have taught and will continue to teach my children what to do in situations that may not be right. As far as Himarks story goes, seems to me that the principle went overboard and he needs knocked down a peg or two.
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ccoleman77
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Just tell your kid not to "answer questions" without you present ever. I had some good ones and one bad while I was going to school. Amazing the way a 40 year old can twist a sixth graders words and then swear that is what they said. As always there are good and bad and the more educated they get the more they seem to think their **** don't stink.
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skidoorulz
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What he said
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skidoorulz
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Here here!!!!!!!!!!!!
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skidoorulz
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Why is a knife a differant story? Kinves can kill just like guns can kill. And if they are not allowed in school and you know about one being carried by someone else and you say nothing to anyone, and that someone does harm with that knife, wouldn't that make you an acomplice?
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skidoorulz
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If some kid took a foldable knife with a short blade and stuck it in your kids juggular at school. Would you still feel the same way after the funeral?
Let me jump in to the fray here by saying.
Hey a stick can be used to kill or a pencil. Yes I do think that unless you are croc dundee, a pocket knife is not a weapon. We all still feel bad at the funeral. That never changes, no matter what happens.
Let me also post two videos that might be somehow not related
http://www.tuccille.com/blog/2008/07/eight-reasons-even-innocent-shouldnt.html
The cops tricks to get people to talk are interesting.
And so it goes, R
Hey a stick can be used to kill or a pencil. Yes I do think that unless you are croc dundee, a pocket knife is not a weapon. We all still feel bad at the funeral. That never changes, no matter what happens.
Let me also post two videos that might be somehow not related
http://www.tuccille.com/blog/2008/07/eight-reasons-even-innocent-shouldnt.html
The cops tricks to get people to talk are interesting.
And so it goes, R
Himark, Your actually lucky. Up here the schools all have a cop in them that handles such situations and trust me. You do not want your kid on the schools radar. My girlfriend got on the schools radar here in town after a minor incident and she chewed out the principal. The principal then basically rode her daughter and kept pulling her in for one on ones with herself and the guidance counselor. They wound up creating some BS story and reported my girlfriend to child services and tried to expel her daughter. Apparently it was pretty common for this principal to do this and a bunch of parents (well over 30 couples) informed the local paper and raised a fuss and the principal got the boot. But from what I understand, it is pretty common for schools these days to make your life a living he L L if you try to rock the boat. Friggin liberals.
Ya, no matter how non important you think it is the school is always gonna use their power to the full extent of their capability. When I was in school it used to be ok to carry a knife as long as the blade was under 3" or 2" or somethin like that...i think that has changed now though. But if there has been any kind of incident before, involving the same kid or not, the school will use that against him. For example, when I was in high school, an elementary kid brought a pistol to school claiming that he was going to shoot one of the girls in his class for picking on him, another child on the playground herd about it, informed a teacher and the kids were held, and the weapon was found. But anyway, later that year I rode to lunch with one of my friends, he had a green and orange nerf pistol in his car and when we got back to school I had it in my hand and walked into the school carrying it and was shootin the darts at people by my locker. I went to my next class, and pretty soon the princial was knocking on the door, saying he needed to talk to me. He pulled me out and said someone told him I had a "gun like" object in my locker...I took him to it and showed it to him and explained how it got there. He then made me come sit in his office while he called my parents and told them what happened. He decided that I needed to be suspended as that toy "could be used to hold up a bank if i held it under my shirt" even though it was a neon green and orange nerf gun. As most eastern Montanan's would, they thought it was pretty ridiculous and my dad just basically laughed as they suspended me for 3 days (just gave him a chance to have me help out around the farm) But I guess i'm saying this type of thing has happened, and will continue to happen as I don't think anything on these subjects is gonna get any more lax in school policies.
My sentiments exactly!!
Zero tolerance is rediculous. A friend's son was helping innoculate their cattle herd a couple years ago and had a coulpe spare needles in his jacket pocket. A couple days later he wore the coat to school. Walking down the hall he put his hand in his pocket and pulled the case with the needles out to see what it was. He was seen and suspended for 3 days. Mistakes are made. The principles need to use a little common sense and ask some question. As for Himark's son being in trouble, I suppose I am obligated to call the police every time somebody going over the speed limit passes me since he could potentially cause a wreck 20 miles down the road. Common sense people.
this is ridiculus, a 12 yr old boy ain't gonna stick my 12yr old in the juggler with his grandpas knife
comon folks, pull your heads out your asses.
where is the compassion and commen sence?
A principal needs to use his discression and not try to make an example out of everyone, why deny a kid his education. If it were a simple wrong then handle it discretly, put the knife in his desk drawer or mail the knife to his home and call the parents and let the kid know not to do it again or else something will happen.....afterschool detention, school garbage duty, no recess for a month etc etc punishments like that are an education in of themselves.
A person in authority excercising discresion in the correct manner can mean much much more then going for the full punishment allowed his/her authority. Specially when its an impressionable kid.
comon folks, pull your heads out your asses.
where is the compassion and commen sence?
A principal needs to use his discression and not try to make an example out of everyone, why deny a kid his education. If it were a simple wrong then handle it discretly, put the knife in his desk drawer or mail the knife to his home and call the parents and let the kid know not to do it again or else something will happen.....afterschool detention, school garbage duty, no recess for a month etc etc punishments like that are an education in of themselves.
A person in authority excercising discresion in the correct manner can mean much much more then going for the full punishment allowed his/her authority. Specially when its an impressionable kid.
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Adrenaline Revolution
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I too feel that some of the replies for the zero tolerance rule without room for question or application of common sense have never experienced the job of trying to raise kids in the public schools.
I have four of my own and none of them turned into druggies or bums or mass murderers and I was able to use compassion and common sense without strict, rigid rules.
They are all successful adults in their own right, with places of their own and skills worthy of a paycheck.
Imagine that...
How did society ever evolve to the point we are at without zero tolerance in our lives, growing up.
Every situation deserves personal attention and to be judged on the circumstances of the incident itself and not some tragic situation that happened at Columbine or Virginia Tech.
I also carried a 3" folding Boy Scout knife all through school growing up and never once stuck another student in his jugular.
How in the world did that happen without this zero tolerance?
Simply amazing.
Schools are just another government entity and just like our government they have become restrictive to the point of strangling the individuality out of our children.
Where will we be in another 20 years?
Scary.
I have four of my own and none of them turned into druggies or bums or mass murderers and I was able to use compassion and common sense without strict, rigid rules.
They are all successful adults in their own right, with places of their own and skills worthy of a paycheck.
Imagine that...
How did society ever evolve to the point we are at without zero tolerance in our lives, growing up.
Every situation deserves personal attention and to be judged on the circumstances of the incident itself and not some tragic situation that happened at Columbine or Virginia Tech.
I also carried a 3" folding Boy Scout knife all through school growing up and never once stuck another student in his jugular.
How in the world did that happen without this zero tolerance?
Simply amazing.
Schools are just another government entity and just like our government they have become restrictive to the point of strangling the individuality out of our children.
Where will we be in another 20 years?
Scary.
I read that report and it just shows me more evidence of a degredation of society.
no religion
no respect
no role models
no disipline
If I punched a teacher in kindergarten I'd have been missing some hair and dad would have come to the school and beat my azz. What do teaches do now? cower before the kindergartner further empowering their tirade, scared chitless of touching the kid.
It plays right into the hands of the liberals seeking yet more control, and starting with kids.
We are moving backwards in humanity.
just wait until the next generation starts raising kids, how about 3 generations from now? Will humanity exist? Or will it be total and utter anarchy.
no religion
no respect
no role models
no disipline
If I punched a teacher in kindergarten I'd have been missing some hair and dad would have come to the school and beat my azz. What do teaches do now? cower before the kindergartner further empowering their tirade, scared chitless of touching the kid.
It plays right into the hands of the liberals seeking yet more control, and starting with kids.
We are moving backwards in humanity.
just wait until the next generation starts raising kids, how about 3 generations from now? Will humanity exist? Or will it be total and utter anarchy.
as to the weapons issue and zero tolerance..
I think teachers have enough to do as it is. They shouldn't have the added responsibility of trying to determine who and who isn't a threat. IMO, if it looks like a weapon or it is a weapon you shouldn't have it in or near a school.
Of course there will always be issues with people going to far, as has been seen in the example posted on here. That will always be the case, but again, should it really be the responsibility of the teachers to try and decide intent?
What happens when the intent is determined to be minimal or zero, and then that kid does something again but much much worse?
Kids / children / parents know the rules, or should now them. Since we live in a reactionary society, I would think that most rules that we think are too strict come from the fact that the previous rules were not effective / strict enough.
Anyways, so what happened to the kid? Did the father go in and talk to the principle? Did everything come out ok?
I think the end result might simmer this subject down a little.
I think teachers have enough to do as it is. They shouldn't have the added responsibility of trying to determine who and who isn't a threat. IMO, if it looks like a weapon or it is a weapon you shouldn't have it in or near a school.
Of course there will always be issues with people going to far, as has been seen in the example posted on here. That will always be the case, but again, should it really be the responsibility of the teachers to try and decide intent?
What happens when the intent is determined to be minimal or zero, and then that kid does something again but much much worse?
Kids / children / parents know the rules, or should now them. Since we live in a reactionary society, I would think that most rules that we think are too strict come from the fact that the previous rules were not effective / strict enough.
Anyways, so what happened to the kid? Did the father go in and talk to the principle? Did everything come out ok?
I think the end result might simmer this subject down a little.
all good points...
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skidoorulz
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OK as most of you may or may not know my wife is a teacher. Most of the problems with kids in school nowdays begin right at home. The same people that are saying give the kid a break, treat the issue discretly, give him detention, make him take out the garbage, give him more home work. Whatever it is that has been said in support of any kid who "accidently" brought the gun or knife or needles to school are the same people who would be right there in a minute jumping down the teachers throat or the Principles throat if they tried to do that to my poor innocent little Johnny. I agree most kids have no role models. no respect, no religion and no discipline. But hey people where is that supposed to come from? You geussed it the parents. And the parents are the same people who are teaching their kids to disrespect authority, whether it be the police, the principle or the teacher or an elder. You do this by getting on a forum and rant and rave about the POS principle or the teacher or the police instead of backing up the person in authority. And if you do it here you dam sure do it at home with your spouse in front of your kids. Guess what you just taught them? When I was a kid my parents always took the teachers side or the principles side and yes the Polices side and I always regretted the dumb thing I did and dam sure never did it again.
And yess I carried a pocket knife to school when I was a kid, but those were differant times than we are in now. We didn't have video games that were full of nothing but blood and gore. Now days kids tend to react with a whole lot more violence than they once did. When kids got in fights when I grew up, as soon as someone hit the ground the fight was over, now when someone hits the ground it is time to start kicking that person in the head until who knows what.
And as for the speeding thing. You dam right if I get caught speeding and get a ticket, I act like a man, take responsibility for speeding and I pay the fine. I don't go to court and say but Mister Judge I was accidently going to fast, and the officer interogated me by saying did you know how fast you were going?
Rules are rules and if you break them there are (or at least there are supposed to be) consequences.
And yess I carried a pocket knife to school when I was a kid, but those were differant times than we are in now. We didn't have video games that were full of nothing but blood and gore. Now days kids tend to react with a whole lot more violence than they once did. When kids got in fights when I grew up, as soon as someone hit the ground the fight was over, now when someone hits the ground it is time to start kicking that person in the head until who knows what.
And as for the speeding thing. You dam right if I get caught speeding and get a ticket, I act like a man, take responsibility for speeding and I pay the fine. I don't go to court and say but Mister Judge I was accidently going to fast, and the officer interogated me by saying did you know how fast you were going?
Rules are rules and if you break them there are (or at least there are supposed to be) consequences.
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