PAR 910's How are they running?

[turboescalade]

I dont want to rant, but I feel like I need to mention this. I believe that if he spent countless hours building these motors and testing them, I think that he jumped the gun on putting them out on the market before having the tuning nailed down, and now having to "deal with impatient customers" is building up.

I don't want to start anything, and that wasnt the point of writing this. I just felt like I should mention from my POV being a customer who has spent quite a bit of money on what I thought was proven, now I have to spend a couple more thousand just to get it to run right while the snow is coming down....

 

[LoudHandle]

PAR's rods are Taiwanese! Not In house billet like claimed

I feel it only fair for the current buyers and those considering PAR's version of Long Rod Engines to get the rest of the story:

Look here:

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=335518&goto=newpost

and here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/POLARIS-800-…item4abc40bac0

For those involved like I am, this is some very disturbing information as I paid very good money for a quality product and now I get to pay to have the junk rods removed and the crank redone with quality parts.


We'll see if this post gets censored like others on this forum have been regarding PAR / Brad and His choice to falsify his claims as to his in house made billet rods.

 

[glassman]

Here is the motor you have been waiting for your Polaris 800 CFI motor. We have designed a motor for the 800 CFI bottom end that just flat rips . This motor has our all new PAR cast cylinders ,and our exclusive longer billet connecting rods. This motor with this new combo (cylinders, rods) is the answer to big power out of this motor. With the increased case volume, less rod ratio gives this motor the touch it has always needed for power and dependability. This motor shares alot of the same characteristic as our 1100 billet motor that has proven it's self.

What is required for this build ? PAR will need your crankcase , and a complete crank. If your crank is toast. No problem we have all the parts to recondition it. We have our own billet pto ends , new rebuild able center section , and our new longer billet rods (included in package).

Here is what the PAR 910cc motor consists of.

2 EA. PAR custom cast cylinders.

2 EA. Custom piston kits.

2 EA. PAR billet connecting rods.

2 EA. Custom exhaust valves.

1 EA. Billet head ( you choose compression for your altitude and fuel requirements.)

Complete ported motor cylinders, crankcase.

Labor to disassemble ,reassemble crankshaft with our longer billet rods.

All machine work required to crank case for new PAR cylinders.

All necessary hardware for new cylinder installation.

Gaskets heads, cylinder base gaskets.



You don't want to use your motor for a core we can supply you with a new crankshaft ,and new crank case for 1600.00 extra.

This motor will fit all Polaris CFI bottom ends, and the 600 IQR long stroke motor.

 

[pura vida]

I feel it only fair for the current buyers and those considering PAR's version of Long Rod Engines to get the rest of the story:

Look here:

http://www.snowestonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=335518&goto=newpost

and here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/POLARIS-800-…item4abc40bac0

For those involved like I am, this is some very disturbing information as I paid very good money for a quality product and now I get to pay to have the junk rods removed and the crank redone with quality parts.


We'll see if this post gets censored like others on this forum have been regarding PAR / Brad and His choice to falsify his claims as to his in house made billet rods.

i understand you are upset and feel you were mislead as to what you were paying for but how do you know the rods are junk? this seems to be you main sticking point. how do you know they are any worse than any other rod? have you had them tested? or ran them and had issue with them?

on another note, your overly developed since of paranoia about post censorship does tend to get a little old. but i imagine that will probably fade as your temper and since of injustice over your situation cools off. good luck, hopefully you get your issues successfully resolved.

pv

 

[LoudHandle]

i understand you are upset and feel you were mislead as to what you were paying for but how do you know the rods are junk? this seems to be you main sticking point. how do you know they are any worse than any other rod? have you had them tested? or ran them and had issue with them?

on another note, your overly developed since of paranoia about post censorship does tend to get a little old. but i imagine that will probably fade as your temper and since of injustice over your situation cools off. good luck, hopefully you get your issues successfully resolved.

pv

To clarify, as I did in the other post also, Brad advertises his kits as using "in-house machined billet rods" these are not even close. They may or may not be junk rods, I'm not taking that chance. You are more than welcome to buy this crank since it already in Alaska and LR your new sled with it. Or trade me straight across for yours, if you'd like to do Brad's R&D for him. Here is the link to the actual rod manufacturer:

http://www.kingrod.com.tw/products.html

They may or may not be a decent rod, my point of contention is=that is not what he advertises in his part break down nor description.

I'll send your crank to the originator of the long rod and get the real deal. I already have another engine being done there already.

I do not have any paranoia about censorship. Today is the first time I have mentioned it even, so you are likely thinking of someone else. I will cool off, in the mean time people are being warned to think twice about a certain shop's unethical business practices.

 

[Norway]

First off I'll just say I have no beef in this game. Bought from both Brad and Dan before with good results. Not sure I will change that at all...

Two things I would like to mention:

1. Changes on a product. I'll say PAR is both a young company and a small business. Look at the big ones who have been in business for a long time, grown big and established a legal department. They very often say, on everything the make/sell, "content/specs subject to change without notice" or something to that tune. So with a sentence based on more experience, Brad would suddenly be "an ethical man" again??

2. Changes on a website to follow production changes. My wife own her own business making websites, and her frustration sometimes blows out in the car home from work about how slow many are in updating their info.

Having said that, I still will agree that there exists i misrepresentation of a product and a broken deal. But I'm personally not convinced yet that PAR should be moved from "honest quality shop" to "crook".

 

[geo]

I was interested if the stock injectors can flow enough fuel with 900 cc plus.

I was also interested because I almost pulled the wallet out in Oct. for THIS motor "package". It was the border thing that stopped me then.

I know it is a selfish point of view but end of Jan. soon and still not working?? Guess I made the right decision for me. Hope it works out for all. I'd be pissed.

 

[pura vida]

To clarify, as I did in the other post also, Brad advertises his kits as using "in-house machined billet rods" these are not even close. They may or may not be junk rods, I'm not taking that chance. You are more than welcome to buy this crank since it already in Alaska and LR your new sled with it. Or trade me straight across for yours, if you'd like to do Brad's R&D for him. Here is the link to the actual rod manufacturer:

http://www.kingrod.com.tw/products.html

They may or may not be a decent rod, my point of contention is=that is not what he advertises in his part break down nor description.

I'll send your crank to the originator of the long rod and get the real deal. I already have another engine being done there already.

I do not have any paranoia about censorship. Today is the first time I have mentioned it even, so you are likely thinking of someone else. I will cool off, in the mean time people are being warned to think twice about a certain shop's unethical business practices.

i understand your pain and frustration. i would be less than pleased also. putting that off to the side for the moment, is it possible to determine the quality of the rods before spending the money to send it off to dan? if you remove the emotion for it (yes, i know, nearly impossible) you might be able to find that you do in fact have a high quality product. or you may find that the rods are "junk" as yo said. i just don't see how it would hurt to slow down, do some research, and see what you can figure out. of course it is possible you won't be able to find any definitive answers and burn up a bunch of good riding time. just trying to see if there are other options before spending a bunch more money.

you may have not used the specific word "censorship" but the idea was put out a couple of times, but i'm not trying to pick a fight here. doesn't really matter. my censorship comment had more to do with defending mountainhorse than anything. i am on a number of different forums covering multiple topics and i never found or seen another moderator put more time or effort or been more involved or seemed to care as much as MH does. not trying to suck any **** here, just stating as i see it. i think it would be pretty hard to accuse MH of any real censorship and i feel that is a very unfair innuendo.

for those you gave me a bad rating on my previous post would you mind clarifying? (for the record, loud handle was not one of them) it doesn't really matter and is kinda funny actually but i was just curious as to what you found so offensive as to take the time to rate it as bad? were you offended b/c i called him out on the censorship thing? are you just buddies of his trying to "have is back"? or do you just enjoy a good fight and on-line drama? anyway...

pv

 

[Kcjepperson]

I was wondering why glassman put the list of items inlcuded in brads motor on the thread, but now that you have outlined it in RED LETTERS I get it now, LOL. This is really getting quite funny. Why don't you let his motor/crank prove themselves or self destruct. I think everyone that has thought about upgrading to the bb has read and/or is aware of the rod situation. Yes i read the ebay description and get it as a business owner myself sometimes business deals go south and you don't come out on top or end up losing money, but acting like a child isn't going to help the problem. If brads motors aren't what he claims them to be that will reflect on him and his company.

Why don't all you haters out there just let the motor prove or disprove itself, and the actual costumers continue posting and tuning there sleds. Then you can determine if there is an actual flaw. It sounds like a lot of the problems right now are with the tuning of the sled. Everyone I have talked to said the motor is solid, and well built. I think once the programmers all have the right map and are sent out to those with the motor everyone will be quite happy with the motor, just like Luke is. Just my opinion!

 

[turboescalade]

I talked to Brad today shortly. And long story short, I have to get a different fuel mapping put into my fuel box as it was apparently the wrong one. So I will be trying this and see how it works the next time I get to head out.

 

[indydan]

Good point KC, I deleted my post.

 

[chrisco]

Sweet...... are we FU%$EN done now ?? can we get back to the post at hand...................... remember the 910 thank god !!!!!!!!! Trust me when I say if this motor is **** I will be the first to put the rod through the fu%$ing case on the big 174 3 inch lol.

 

[gunnerthesnowman]

Sweet...... are we FU%$EN done now ?? can we get back to the post at hand...................... remember the 910 thank god !!!!!!!!! Trust me when I say if this motor is **** I will be the first to put the rod through the fu%$ing case on the big 174 3 inch lol.

Hows the tuning going!

 

[TREE MAGNET]

I have just shy of 500 miles on my 13. when i first started tuning the sled we had a few issues with the det senson. Truth be told every aftermarket BBkit out there is having somekind of det sensor issues. Unless you are able to program around it with a vi-pec. The simple fact is these sleds have to much timing and when the fuel map is changed with out the timing the over sensitive det sensor will pick it up. Bad news when trying to do what Brad and so many other people are TRYING to do for us! My sled with a dobeck fuel controller & slp pipe runs pretty dam good 98%of the time and will walk all over a stock 13 the other 2%. For those of you that want to be so quick to judge you should try talkin with the man! He is straight up and always looking for a new way to make an already good powerplant better. Any issue I have ever had was taken care of with one phone call. Even with my sled running good he is still there trying to make it perform better. He is now working on a timing key to help correct that issue. Has anyone actually took the time to look in these "junk rods" look at the web site listed above. Quality & guaranteed are the first words you see and you see it repetedly on the first page. They are also proud of there product! So there not the ones he said he was going to use understandable he should have called everyone of us. Come on! Did anyone stop to think maybe he used king rods because they make a very beautifull strong rod and thats all they do. They know rods ya Brad could build them but are his rods going to be better then a company that does nothing but build rods/cranks and have done so for many years and many manufactures. If everyone would work together we could make amazing things happen with something that is a miricale that it even runs. Two strokes will forever be a fight untill we learn to leave them alone!

 

[trickedxcr]

I have just shy of 500 miles on my 13. when i first started tuning the sled we had a few issues with the det senson. Truth be told every aftermarket BBkit out there is having somekind of det sensor issues. Unless you are able to program around it with a vi-pec. The simple fact is these sleds have to much timing and when the fuel map is changed with out the timing the over sensitive det sensor will pick it up. Bad news when trying to do what Brad and so many other people are TRYING to do for us! My sled with a dobeck fuel controller & slp pipe runs pretty dam good 98%of the time and will walk all over a stock 13 the other 2%. For those of you that want to be so quick to judge you should try talkin with the man! He is straight up and always looking for a new way to make an already good powerplant better. Any issue I have ever had was taken care of with one phone call. Even with my sled running good he is still there trying to make it perform better. He is now working on a timing key to help correct that issue. Has anyone actually took the time to look in these "junk rods" look at the web site listed above. Quality & guaranteed are the first words you see and you see it repetedly on the first page. They are also proud of there product! So there not the ones he said he was going to use understandable he should have called everyone of us. Come on! Did anyone stop to think maybe he used king rods because they make a very beautifull strong rod and thats all they do. They know rods ya Brad could build them but are his rods going to be better then a company that does nothing but build rods/cranks and have done so for many years and many manufactures. If everyone would work together we could make amazing things happen with something that is a miricale that it even runs. Two strokes will forever be a fight untill we learn to leave them alone!

Very well said!couldnt agree with ya more...:

 

[LoudHandle]

I have just shy of 500 miles on my 13. when i first started tuning the sled we had a few issues with the det senson. Truth be told every aftermarket BBkit out there is having somekind of det sensor issues. Unless you are able to program around it with a vi-pec. The simple fact is these sleds have to much timing and when the fuel map is changed with out the timing the over sensitive det sensor will pick it up. Bad news when trying to do what Brad and so many other people are TRYING to do for us! My sled with a dobeck fuel controller & slp pipe runs pretty dam good 98%of the time and will walk all over a stock 13 the other 2%. For those of you that want to be so quick to judge you should try talkin with the man! He is straight up and always looking for a new way to make an already good powerplant better. Any issue I have ever had was taken care of with one phone call. Even with my sled running good he is still there trying to make it perform better. He is now working on a timing key to help correct that issue. Has anyone actually took the time to look in these "junk rods" look at the web site listed above. Quality & guaranteed are the first words you see and you see it repetedly on the first page. They are also proud of there product! So there not the ones he said he was going to use understandable he should have called everyone of us. Come on! Did anyone stop to think maybe he used king rods because they make a very beautifull strong rod and thats all they do. They know rods ya Brad could build them but are his rods going to be better then a company that does nothing but build rods/cranks and have done so for many years and many manufactures. If everyone would work together we could make amazing things happen with something that is a miricale that it even runs. Two strokes will forever be a fight untill we learn to leave them alone!

Question, Did you get the the Kingrods or do you know him well enough he installed the billet ADR rods for you? After he pawned the Kingrods off on the rest of his customers.

I also find it very interesting that Brad is on here reading every post and yet is refraining from making any comments, other than thanking the guys that are bowing to him like he is a god or something. Has he done a lot for advancing the sport, most likely yes, or at least knows the people with enough talent to solve his problems for him. Does that excuse his poor business ethics, absolutely not! IMO

 

[ghost rider]

PAR 910

Loudhandle we hear u Loud and clear! Lol. We got your point in all your posts on this thread, Indy Dan thread etc., etc. You get the point and have voiced your opinion. Thanks
Now back on topic on the PAR 910.
Thanks Brad for standing behind your product and helping me out.

 

[TREE MAGNET]

if you were the person in business & I was on here bad mouthing you you're business or anything else you might do. I would hope you would be smart enough to realize nothing good could come from any reply!

 

[LoudHandle]

if you were the person in business & I was on here bad mouthing you you're business or anything else you might do. I would hope you would be smart enough to realize nothing good could come from any reply!

In my business I deliver what I promise! So there is never a need for someone to come back on me for unethical business practices.

If he does not want to do it on the forum, he has my contact info. He has the option of making this right or not, his call.

 

[steepndeep800]

I have just shy of 500 miles on my 13. when i first started tuning the sled we had a few issues with the det senson. Truth be told every aftermarket BBkit out there is having somekind of det sensor issues. Unless you are able to program around it with a vi-pec. The simple fact is these sleds have to much timing and when the fuel map is changed with out the timing the over sensitive det sensor will pick it up. Bad news when trying to do what Brad and so many other people are TRYING to do for us! My sled with a dobeck fuel controller & slp pipe runs pretty dam good 98%of the time and will walk all over a stock 13 the other 2%. For those of you that want to be so quick to judge you should try talkin with the man! He is straight up and always looking for a new way to make an already good powerplant better. Any issue I have ever had was taken care of with one phone call. Even with my sled running good he is still there trying to make it perform better. He is now working on a timing key to help correct that issue. Has anyone actually took the time to look in these "junk rods" look at the web site listed above. Quality & guaranteed are the first words you see and you see it repetedly on the first page. They are also proud of there product! So there not the ones he said he was going to use understandable he should have called everyone of us. Come on! Did anyone stop to think maybe he used king rods because they make a very beautifull strong rod and thats all they do. They know rods ya Brad could build them but are his rods going to be better then a company that does nothing but build rods/cranks and have done so for many years and many manufactures. If everyone would work together we could make amazing things happen with something that is a miricale that it even runs. Two strokes will forever be a fight untill we learn to leave them alone!

Sorry to disagree!
Carls 900 is running turn key tuned in ready to go from the get go!
Many many miles gas oil throttle.
I'm sorry but if I bought a motor like this and it wasnt tuned and running correctly and it's now last week of Jan. wouldnt be bery happy. This kind of thing should be done before promising anything or giving delivery.
Carls ran there 900 for a whole season before releasing the first one to the public to make sure everything worked right, tuned right, reliable.
Always know when you get something from Carls the combo will be dialed in from start to finish, at least everything I've ever gotten and anyone I know who's used them. I feel for you guys ruining your rides and tuning constantly and hope you get it figured out soon. The season is to short to waste tuning.