Been thinking about this BB, just curious how people have been liking them. Power? Reliability? Throttle response? Etc etc. Any info is much appreciated.
PAR 910's How are they running?
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turboescalade
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I need some more seat time/ tuning to get mine to run right. To me it doesnt feel like the throttle response is there like it should be. I'm hoping there's going to be some progress made in these Dobeck fuel controllers soon rather than having to get a Vipec system.
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ajbond
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mine is a cf4.. tuned with a pc5 and auto tune. bottom and mid feels great but ghe top is not where it should be. was told to 8200 was my target but I can not hit and hold. also the top a/f is unknown. I am at 12.7 and still leaning out. will target 7900 tomorrow @ 12.9 and report. brad was going to get back by the end of the week with some dyno / pipe results but he must be to busy like he said in the other thread. I ride @ 8000+ ft and will run 10/66' tomorrow.
That's the other kit I was looking at, I just didn't want to be the guy who started the bb vs. bb thread. I'm sure both are great products and I have had a carls 975 in the past that ran spot on from day 1. Just trying to get all the info I can. Thanks for the replys
Have you considered a Boondocker fuel controller?
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geo
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Does this set-up run just the stock injectors?
66's could be 2 g's high depending on the rest of your clutch setup at 8000+
Hay guys can we keep Carl's kit out of this thread this is about the pa 910. Someone else can start a Carl's 900 thread thanks
I am taking my sled up to brad tomorrow or Tuesday to have my motor done with the vipec tuning. I too, would like to hear how the 910's are running and not another this bb that bb thread.
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trickedxcr
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Patience my friends...lol.im sure Brad will get everything hashed out and these 910's running very strong!Im also sure that every chance he gets he will be working on refining and searching for more power.Im sure CPI mike will come up with a pipe combo that puts this in the low 180's.one thing is Brad only uses top notch parts and his worksmanship is second to none.i can bet that these BB 910's will outlast and out perform many in the years to come...remember this is the first year with this engine so it will take some time to perfect..hang in there guys im sure the wait will be worth it in the long run..good luck guys
jason.
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I'm running the Vipec on the 910 with a CPI pipe. Been tuning the last couple weeks with Cody and he's got this thing dialed, the throttle response is amazing and she rips all the way to the top. I couldn't wipe the smile off my face all weekend. Ride 9,000ft to 12,000ft
Brad and Cody have put in a lot of time and effort into getting this combo to work, and I wouldn't hesitate going this route.
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Brad and Cody have put in a lot of time and effort into getting this combo to work, and I wouldn't hesitate going this route.
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ajbond
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I am running 64' s. didn't put in the 66 yet. other thread claimed peak hp @ 7805 with an slp. I hatd to bother brad I know he is busy. thought he would chime in on occasion and anwer so we all could see. sled does not run at 8200 where he told me. it runs like sn 800 not a 900
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Cody Phillips Racing
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Guys,
Just wanted to chime in here and give my .02 on how the 910 engine program is progressing. I can tell you Brad has put COUNTLESS hours into this awesome big bore setup. He's got a state of the art facility and doesn't need to spend so much of his time on this program. However, with that being said the community benefits very much from having this as an option IMO. He's able to build anything you can dream up at his facility and he's done a ton of R&D. I can tell you Brad and I line up very well personality wise. We're perfectionists, we enjoy using the state of the art options on the market and the end result is we don't like letting something go out the door until the R&D is complete. With that being said I believe we're basically there with the tuning sessions we've performed with the vipec. We've got 5 or so out on the snow that are running well. I know some guys have had mixed results with the Dobeck setups. This all comes down to the capability of the end user and the capability of the ECU/control box. So if you don't know what you're doing or how to tune engines, it can be frustrating. The turbo guys have the same frustrations with this controller. The Dobeck is limited in what it can do.....period. It's just a simple fuel controller. if you know how to work it chances are you can get your fueling where you need it and ride. However, you'll likely have to play with the settings each ride out.
When Brad first released this motor and began the R&D all he had to offer was a dobeck box and now there is another option with the vipec. A stand alone engine management system is the answer to where we can tune it for you to where you won't have to mess with it every ride out. It's going to be the only system that will enable you to harness all of the power out of the 910 and that you the end user won't have to sit there and jack around with it every ride out or change in elevation/snow conditions.
The more patience you can give Brad the better this program will get. It can't all happen all at once. Does this motor work well with a CPI pipe? Yes, I know the pipe that Luke has works very well. Does it work well with the SLP pipe? Yes. Can it be better, yes it can but Mike at CPI is currently building 3-4 different pipe setups to get the most we can get outta the motor and keep it in it's peak power range. I've been up there 3 times in the last week dynoing with Mike and Brad tuning the Vipec for different variations in pipe mods. Everyone involved is working HARD.
I know that the tune we have out on the snow is pretty damn conservative because we have seen good gains with simply adding a degree of timing over and about the stock timing map. We've had several runs in the mid 160's and some in the 172 range on the dyno. We're not done and it's hard to say what the final results will be, I'm just glad I've been a part of this with Brad.
I've had the opportunity to work with Brad since roughly September and we talk every few days. He's a straight up guy, he doesn't **** around and he is NOT any sort of ripoff artist or scammer. Some of my clients that I work with in other avenues of motorsports are familiar with Brad and PAR and they've all got nothing but good things to say about him.
I can tell you the 910's that I've personally rode have only had Vipecs on them. The basically just rip around all over the place. I've rode Luke's with the CPI pipe on it and I've rode Brad's 13 with the SLP pipe. They both kick *** and absolutely smoke a stock 800 so to me this is the only option when going big bore/normally aspirated.
I'm just a small part of this engine program. Brad is the one that has done the design, the R&D, the hours and hours of testing. He also is the one that has to field all the impatient customers (at times
) But needless to say I'm happy to help him and I believe with his 2 stroke knowledge and manufacturing capabilities and my knowledge of engine tuning with stand alone engine managements we make a great team. I'm just happy I'm along for the ride
If anyone has any interest in the vipec please contact me directly through email cody@codyphillipsracing.com and I can answer any questions you might have. Honestly Brad is going to end up referring you to me anyhow lol.
Just wanted to chime in here and give my .02 on how the 910 engine program is progressing. I can tell you Brad has put COUNTLESS hours into this awesome big bore setup. He's got a state of the art facility and doesn't need to spend so much of his time on this program. However, with that being said the community benefits very much from having this as an option IMO. He's able to build anything you can dream up at his facility and he's done a ton of R&D. I can tell you Brad and I line up very well personality wise. We're perfectionists, we enjoy using the state of the art options on the market and the end result is we don't like letting something go out the door until the R&D is complete. With that being said I believe we're basically there with the tuning sessions we've performed with the vipec. We've got 5 or so out on the snow that are running well. I know some guys have had mixed results with the Dobeck setups. This all comes down to the capability of the end user and the capability of the ECU/control box. So if you don't know what you're doing or how to tune engines, it can be frustrating. The turbo guys have the same frustrations with this controller. The Dobeck is limited in what it can do.....period. It's just a simple fuel controller. if you know how to work it chances are you can get your fueling where you need it and ride. However, you'll likely have to play with the settings each ride out.
When Brad first released this motor and began the R&D all he had to offer was a dobeck box and now there is another option with the vipec. A stand alone engine management system is the answer to where we can tune it for you to where you won't have to mess with it every ride out. It's going to be the only system that will enable you to harness all of the power out of the 910 and that you the end user won't have to sit there and jack around with it every ride out or change in elevation/snow conditions.
The more patience you can give Brad the better this program will get. It can't all happen all at once. Does this motor work well with a CPI pipe? Yes, I know the pipe that Luke has works very well. Does it work well with the SLP pipe? Yes. Can it be better, yes it can but Mike at CPI is currently building 3-4 different pipe setups to get the most we can get outta the motor and keep it in it's peak power range. I've been up there 3 times in the last week dynoing with Mike and Brad tuning the Vipec for different variations in pipe mods. Everyone involved is working HARD.
I know that the tune we have out on the snow is pretty damn conservative because we have seen good gains with simply adding a degree of timing over and about the stock timing map. We've had several runs in the mid 160's and some in the 172 range on the dyno. We're not done and it's hard to say what the final results will be, I'm just glad I've been a part of this with Brad.
I've had the opportunity to work with Brad since roughly September and we talk every few days. He's a straight up guy, he doesn't **** around and he is NOT any sort of ripoff artist or scammer. Some of my clients that I work with in other avenues of motorsports are familiar with Brad and PAR and they've all got nothing but good things to say about him.
I can tell you the 910's that I've personally rode have only had Vipecs on them. The basically just rip around all over the place. I've rode Luke's with the CPI pipe on it and I've rode Brad's 13 with the SLP pipe. They both kick *** and absolutely smoke a stock 800 so to me this is the only option when going big bore/normally aspirated.
I'm just a small part of this engine program. Brad is the one that has done the design, the R&D, the hours and hours of testing. He also is the one that has to field all the impatient customers (at times
) But needless to say I'm happy to help him and I believe with his 2 stroke knowledge and manufacturing capabilities and my knowledge of engine tuning with stand alone engine managements we make a great team. I'm just happy I'm along for the ride If anyone has any interest in the vipec please contact me directly through email cody@codyphillipsracing.com and I can answer any questions you might have. Honestly Brad is going to end up referring you to me anyhow lol.
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Cody Phillips Racing
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I'll be traveling all day tomorrow, shoot me an email so we can keep moving forward.
