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No post about the missing sledders just north of Silverthorn
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You are going to hell for that!! LOL
Lmfao
hopefully they get found, luckily they have some people searching for them that know the area well!
It's fixed now!
I hope not, I don't think John can afford it. I hope that they aren't in the Wilderness area or it was an accident that they went in there.
SAR teams in Colorado do not charge for rescues, never have.
We have a client that is part of the Steamboat S&R and this what he said.
You're covered if you have purchased one of the following:
Hiking Certificate from the FS or BLM (I think you can get them at Safeway in Steamboat)
Hunting or fishing license
Sled, ATV, boat, dirtbikes or any other OHV registration
If you don't have any of these, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO PAY ALL COSTS
S&R is poorly funded and almost all of the searchers are volunteers. So they have to bill the victims if they are at fault and aren't covered under any of the above mentioned items. Some volunteers even have to use their own equipment for searches.
**UPDATE: A searcher has located the lost and the problem is getting to them. They are believed to be in the Wliderness area. They plan on flying them to KMH once recovered.
No SAR team in Colorado has ever charged for a rescue, EVER!!!
SAR teams in the future never plan on charging for rescue, EVER!!!
Fishing lic, hunting lic, OHV registrations or hiking cards, these help SAR teams with some funding but with or without SAR teams do not charge. EVER!!
Ask your client from Steamboat SAR the question again, you must of misunderstood them.
SAR teams in the future never plan on charging for rescue, EVER!!!
Fishing lic, hunting lic, OHV registrations or hiking cards, these help SAR teams with some funding but with or without SAR teams do not charge. EVER!!
Ask your client from Steamboat SAR the question again, you must of misunderstood them.
The way I understand it is they CAN charge you the cost of your S&R if
you have not paid for one of those items. Don't mean they are required to
or ever have.
you have not paid for one of those items. Don't mean they are required to
or ever have.
PJ is right . S&R does charge for rescues at times. Collecting is another story.
http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/ar...e=news&article_path=/news/06/news060215_2.htm
If you think a chopper flight is free, think again.
http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/ar...e=news&article_path=/news/06/news060215_2.htm
If you think a chopper flight is free, think again.
its not the SAR charges that he was worried about...
Don't bag on Erik. His group helped me out when I totalled my Vmax at Rabbit Ears. With all the help they gave me and only a couple well deserved "dumb@#$es", I won't say anything bad about the guy. Didn't even know he was a dealer until I mentioned his name and someone told me.
My prayers are with the sledders no matter where they are. Besides, the beetles are taking care of all the wilderness areas anyway.
My prayers are with the sledders no matter where they are. Besides, the beetles are taking care of all the wilderness areas anyway.
Search, Rescue Teams Want People To Call For Help
Experts: Hikers Shouldn't Be Afraid Of Paying For Rescue
by Andrea Lopez
IDAHO SPRINGS, Colo. (CBS4) ― For 48 years, the Alpine Rescue Team based out of Clear Creek County has provided search and rescue services to Jefferson and Clear Creek counties. The group of anywhere from 40 to 60 volunteers are experts when it comes to their knowledge of mountaineering skills, rescue techniques, and searches, and mountain safety.
The group has anywhere from 80 to 100 missions a year and spends about 5,000 hours each year training for the real thing. But members tell us that one of the most disheartening things they experience is people being afraid to call their team because they're afraid they're going to have to pay for their own rescue.
Team members say that prolonging a call for help, or not calling at all, can be a fatal mistake. The Alpine Rescue Team never charges for its services and would like to send a clear message about something called the Colorado Search and Rescue Card.
Howard Paul, president of the Colorado Search and Rescue board, says the issue of whether or not people have to pay for their own rescues is one of the most misunderstood issues that rescuers come across. What complicates that issue is the myth that if you don't have The Colorado Outdoor Recreation Search and Rescue (CORSAR) card, you will have to pay for your own rescue. Paul says this is simply not true.
"The Colorado Outdoor Recreation Search and Rescue Card is designed to reimburse (search and rescue) teams and sheriff's departments for any expenses they might incur during a SAR mission," says Paul.
You can buy this card at most outdoor stores and at the same places that sell Colorado fishing licenses. The money collected from the sales of these cards goes into a fund. The bigger the fund, the more money that is available to search and rescue groups who could really use it for new equipment or reimbursements for lost or damaged equipment. They apply to receive that money.
That application process works in a few different ways. If you are being rescued and you have a CORSAR card on you, that search and rescue team or sheriff's department can immediately apply to be reimbursed for expenses from your rescue so that they don't have to absorb any costs themselves. This is critical for financially-strapped departments and groups. Having a card on you ensures that they'll have first crack at some of that money.
"These grants have purchased miles of rope, expensive two-way radios, hundreds of avalanche rescue beacons and carabineers, and a fleet's worth of snowmobiles and ATVs for searches," says Paul. "The fund has paid for specialized training courses that teach the intricate mathematics and planning principles of running a large area search."
If you don't have a card, a sheriff's department or a SAR group will have to wait until the end of the year to apply for grant money to cover expenses. They basically have to take what's left over, and Paul says there's usually nothing left over. So, in a nutshell, buying this card is a way of helping out search and rescue groups all over the state. It has nothing to do with whether or not you'll be rescued.
"That is exactly it," says Paul. "Many years ago the card (under its previous name) was falsely promoted as an insurance card. The result was the common misconception that SAR teams charge for helping people. That led to a fear of calling for help because of a 'big bill' and some people delayed calling.
"A classic example took place on Mt. Evans, south of Idaho Springs, in which the wife of a day hiker from Texas, both former Colorado residents, searched for hours for her overdue husband. They had even joked about which of them would pay for the search if one of them became lost! By the time the search team was called, the peak was enveloped in clouds and searchers could see but a few feet. Searchers had to toss stones ahead, and listen for them to hit ground, to ensure they didn't walk off a 500 foot cliff in the dark and clouds!"
Here's how search and rescue teams operate in Colorado. Typically every sheriff's department has its own team. When a call comes in for help, the sheriff will dispatch its SAR team. SAR teams usually consist of volunteers who will drop everything they're doing, whenever possible, and respond immediately to the area where they're needed. Paul says this quick action is necessary as these are often life or death situations. He says SAR units won't ask if you if you have pre-paid for lifesaving help.
"Later, the SAR unit or sheriff may likely ask if you, a family member or someone else in the party has a CORSAR card -- in case some expenses were incurred on your behalf," says Paul. "The SAR unit or sheriff might learn that 400 feet of rescue rope was damaged by falling rocks or that a $500 back splint was damaged; or that a SAR team member dropped his personal $750 radio in a creek. If a non-government helicopter was called to transport ground teams and search for you, the sheriff will be reimbursed for that cost."
Paul says he has heard of a couple of incidents where Colorado sheriffs have threatened to bill for rescuing people, but he says he doesn't know of any cases in which a sheriff has collected money or even attempted to collect money.
"What's most important to understand is that the CORSAR card is a proactive way to fund SAR units, which are staffed by experienced unpaid professionals -- volunteers that hike, climb and ski in the same areas and terrain as you so they are trained and equipped before you need to call them for help," says Paul. "They are outdoor-lovers themselves who have banded together as volunteer teams to help other outdoor-lovers who are in the wrong place at the wrong time. They desperately need some people to help them."
Experts: Hikers Shouldn't Be Afraid Of Paying For Rescue
by Andrea Lopez
IDAHO SPRINGS, Colo. (CBS4) ― For 48 years, the Alpine Rescue Team based out of Clear Creek County has provided search and rescue services to Jefferson and Clear Creek counties. The group of anywhere from 40 to 60 volunteers are experts when it comes to their knowledge of mountaineering skills, rescue techniques, and searches, and mountain safety.
The group has anywhere from 80 to 100 missions a year and spends about 5,000 hours each year training for the real thing. But members tell us that one of the most disheartening things they experience is people being afraid to call their team because they're afraid they're going to have to pay for their own rescue.
Team members say that prolonging a call for help, or not calling at all, can be a fatal mistake. The Alpine Rescue Team never charges for its services and would like to send a clear message about something called the Colorado Search and Rescue Card.
Howard Paul, president of the Colorado Search and Rescue board, says the issue of whether or not people have to pay for their own rescues is one of the most misunderstood issues that rescuers come across. What complicates that issue is the myth that if you don't have The Colorado Outdoor Recreation Search and Rescue (CORSAR) card, you will have to pay for your own rescue. Paul says this is simply not true.
"The Colorado Outdoor Recreation Search and Rescue Card is designed to reimburse (search and rescue) teams and sheriff's departments for any expenses they might incur during a SAR mission," says Paul.
You can buy this card at most outdoor stores and at the same places that sell Colorado fishing licenses. The money collected from the sales of these cards goes into a fund. The bigger the fund, the more money that is available to search and rescue groups who could really use it for new equipment or reimbursements for lost or damaged equipment. They apply to receive that money.
That application process works in a few different ways. If you are being rescued and you have a CORSAR card on you, that search and rescue team or sheriff's department can immediately apply to be reimbursed for expenses from your rescue so that they don't have to absorb any costs themselves. This is critical for financially-strapped departments and groups. Having a card on you ensures that they'll have first crack at some of that money.
"These grants have purchased miles of rope, expensive two-way radios, hundreds of avalanche rescue beacons and carabineers, and a fleet's worth of snowmobiles and ATVs for searches," says Paul. "The fund has paid for specialized training courses that teach the intricate mathematics and planning principles of running a large area search."
If you don't have a card, a sheriff's department or a SAR group will have to wait until the end of the year to apply for grant money to cover expenses. They basically have to take what's left over, and Paul says there's usually nothing left over. So, in a nutshell, buying this card is a way of helping out search and rescue groups all over the state. It has nothing to do with whether or not you'll be rescued.
"That is exactly it," says Paul. "Many years ago the card (under its previous name) was falsely promoted as an insurance card. The result was the common misconception that SAR teams charge for helping people. That led to a fear of calling for help because of a 'big bill' and some people delayed calling.
"A classic example took place on Mt. Evans, south of Idaho Springs, in which the wife of a day hiker from Texas, both former Colorado residents, searched for hours for her overdue husband. They had even joked about which of them would pay for the search if one of them became lost! By the time the search team was called, the peak was enveloped in clouds and searchers could see but a few feet. Searchers had to toss stones ahead, and listen for them to hit ground, to ensure they didn't walk off a 500 foot cliff in the dark and clouds!"
Here's how search and rescue teams operate in Colorado. Typically every sheriff's department has its own team. When a call comes in for help, the sheriff will dispatch its SAR team. SAR teams usually consist of volunteers who will drop everything they're doing, whenever possible, and respond immediately to the area where they're needed. Paul says this quick action is necessary as these are often life or death situations. He says SAR units won't ask if you if you have pre-paid for lifesaving help.
"Later, the SAR unit or sheriff may likely ask if you, a family member or someone else in the party has a CORSAR card -- in case some expenses were incurred on your behalf," says Paul. "The SAR unit or sheriff might learn that 400 feet of rescue rope was damaged by falling rocks or that a $500 back splint was damaged; or that a SAR team member dropped his personal $750 radio in a creek. If a non-government helicopter was called to transport ground teams and search for you, the sheriff will be reimbursed for that cost."
Paul says he has heard of a couple of incidents where Colorado sheriffs have threatened to bill for rescuing people, but he says he doesn't know of any cases in which a sheriff has collected money or even attempted to collect money.
"What's most important to understand is that the CORSAR card is a proactive way to fund SAR units, which are staffed by experienced unpaid professionals -- volunteers that hike, climb and ski in the same areas and terrain as you so they are trained and equipped before you need to call them for help," says Paul. "They are outdoor-lovers themselves who have banded together as volunteer teams to help other outdoor-lovers who are in the wrong place at the wrong time. They desperately need some people to help them."
Great, now FS will be hot and bothered and watching for the slightest infraction. Hopefully they're ok but JHC people it's just more ammo for the enemy. Go ride the meadows at RE if you don't know where you're going.
lost
on channel 9 right now.....7 teams searching......weather looks good but they think the lost are separated from each other somewhere around 12000 ft, maybe near Eliot mtn...heli's havn't seen anything, still lost, one is believed to be in "bad shape", one abandoned sled found...storm may worsen tomorrow...search continues
on channel 9 right now.....7 teams searching......weather looks good but they think the lost are separated from each other somewhere around 12000 ft, maybe near Eliot mtn...heli's havn't seen anything, still lost, one is believed to be in "bad shape", one abandoned sled found...storm may worsen tomorrow...search continues
That had to be the longest night of their lives last night. Hope all turns out well.
I asked him in plain English if they submitted bills for missions in which people didn't have licenses, registration or a certificate. He said YES!
Now, if they receive payment is another story. Kinda like the volunteer Fire Dept I was on. If a call was out of area, the party at fault was billed. I don't think they ever paid, but they were billed.
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