No more Mitt

[duke1n]

Sat night sleddy when I have a in hand.

Bonz, no one ever said McCain has never taken a conservative position. What he also has a habit of doing is taking very non-conservative positions and stabbing his own party in the back which you failed to mention. I've always been a proponent of voting party over candidate and I would imagine that conservatives including El Rushbo and some of the other anti McCain folks will choose the lesser of two evils when faced with the prospect of the Billary.

 

[Disco Dan Richter]

Ok Dookie, what is worth fighting for? You answered your question in the question. U.S. Interests are worth fighting for. In other words.........our interests, not forein countries. Imagine all the money spent by all the past 5 presidents, take half of it and leave it for our interests(is that speeled right?) How many trillions of tax bucks have gone to help other countries, while right here in the U.S., we have suffered? Taxes could be lowered, education would expand and thrive, poverty, Katrina.............need I go on? We can always buy oil forein, wont make any diffrence.

I say, take a 4 year term, make the senate, and the house, pass bills along with the pres to sign, that put "our U.S." interests first, then worry about the rest of the world.

Shee-at, I aint even drinkin yet, I will be back with a rum and coke for this one.........

 

[EastcapeAngler]

 

[EastcapeAngler]

 

[duke1n]

Ok Diskette one at a time

Ok Dookie, what is worth fighting for? You answered your question in the question. U.S. Interests are worth fighting for. In other words.........our interests, not forein countries

What are our interests? Is energy an "interest"?

Imagine all the money spent by all the past 5 presidents, take half of it and leave it for our interests(is that speeled right?) How many trillions of tax bucks have gone to help other countries, while right here in the U.S., we have suffered?

Who do we give money to and how much do we give? What are the trading parameters with those countries we aid? If those countries failed what would be the financial/geo-political repercussions?

We can always buy oil forein, wont make any diffrence

What does that statement mean?

I say, take a 4 year term, make the senate, and the house, pass bills along with the pres to sign, that put "our U.S." interests first, then worry about the rest of the world.

Shee-at, I aint even drinkin yet, I will be back with a rum and coke for this one.........

Are you sure you weren't drinking when you posted this lol?

Sleddy... you around tonight and want some?

FYI Diskette it's "foreign"

 

[EastcapeAngler]

 

[Dbook]

 

[EastcapeAngler]

Good post my friend!

 

[duke1n]

Yes, good post my friend. I have a better one but dukie would be banned for the 14th time if I posted it.

 

[Disco Dan Richter]

WTF did you say? LMFAO! Dookie, ya got yer arse whipped internet style again. You are goin round, and round and round.........................

You want my vote?

Who do we give money to? If you even had a clue(for real) you would know that billions, up to trillions, go westward ho' But hey, it's dookie for pres, who am I to argue?

Which reminds me, I need to take a...............Dookie.

 

[bonz50]

Sat night sleddy when I have a in hand.

Bonz, no one ever said McCain has never taken a conservative position. What he also has a habit of doing is taking very non-conservative positions and stabbing his own party in the back which you failed to mention. I've always been a proponent of voting party over candidate and I would imagine that conservatives including El Rushbo and some of the other anti McCain folks will choose the lesser of two evils when faced with the prospect of the Billary.

i won't disagree that he hasn't taken some moderate positions on some issues... but those issues that he has taken in defiance of the conservatives are, quite frankly, really fuggin minor... his stance on immigration, while not an ultra conservative stance is certainly NOT as open as the Dems stance, I can live with it, especially if it means keeping a Dem out of office... many have an issue with the mccain-feingold thingy, a legit issue, but it hasn't been an issue for about 4-5yrs even after a CONSERVATIVE LEANING supreme court upheld the constitutionality of it, not until mccain became a clear possibility that he could win did people even begin to care about it...

now, if we wanna look at the scenario as a whole, there is still absolutely no question that he is 110% better than any democrat that could be in office... and the crap that hannity, rush, and ingraham are espousing (sitting out the election to ensure a democratic win) is a sure way to get a minimum 4yrs of a democratic congress and white house with the possibility to get up to 16yrs of it... especially if hilary wins the first one then obama waiting in the wings for the second 8yrs... that is a HUGE HUGE gamble to take...

as Newt says, I'd rather fight McCain in the white house than to fight Hillary or Obama...

what I'm getting at is that Mac is certainly not the Reagan conservative that the republican party keeps tryin to resurrect, but lets face it, that portion of history is gone and the likelihood of finding another reagn is next to nil....... Mac will further the republican cause while giving us some time to build up a worthy succession or bench team to follow up with... at the moment the repubs have absolutely ZERO bench players that will be ready in time for 2012... 2016 we could have some guys ready though... make no mistake, we've got some young guns out there, but they are relatively unknown... the old guard has to go away and the establishment needs to back off and let the up and coming republicans take the lead... at this point they are not, and that goes for the evangelicals as well...

 

[H2SNOW]

k Im goin to build me some popcorn ...

 

[duke1n]

Send all your ducketts to me Diskette... Duke1n for God

 

[Ollie]

My primary and ultimetly top concern with McCain is his stance on amnesty for criminals.
He WILL grant amnesty to 20 million criminals. This will then enable all 20 million to bring in their Aunts, uncles, cousins, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, etc.. Those 20 million will turn into over 80 million in just over 8 years.

OUr schools are overcrowded and they are trying to push for spanish as the official language in some schools.

Our hospitals are overwhelmed with spanish speaking, non-paying criminals that demand we treat them on OUR tax dollars.

You think Social Security is in trouble now. All those people coming in will instantly be eligble for social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, etc.. You think you pay taxes now, you ain't seen nothing yet.

We went to war on 9/11/01 because 3000 people were killed, yet, over 50,000 people have been killed by illigals during the time since 9/11/01 and you hear NOTHING about it.

If Mr. McAmnesty will pledge to NEVER grant amnesty, I will vote for him. Otherwise there is no force on the face of the planet that will make me vote for him.

If a dem. gets in we can at least count on the Republicans to work to block or at least blunt the worst of it. If McAmnesty gets in, the republicans will feel obligated to go along with a lot of his non-sence. As for supreme court nominations, he has already pledged to work with the dems on issues like that, which for him means he does what they want.

As far as I am concerned, illigal immigration is THE issue that will make or destroy this country.
To make my point perfectly clear. I am ready to defend with extreme force this country against our very politicians if necissary. If an all out armed revolution is what it takes to wake those azzhats up, I am ready.

 

[bonz50]

one thing you gotta remember about Mac, he's still going to have to run on the PARTY platform that is divulged at the convention... he can't run on his own platform, that's not how it works...

however, read it and see where he really stands on immigration

"Immigration is one of those challenging issues that touch on many aspects of American life.

I have always believed that our border must be secure and that the federal government has utterly failed in its responsibility to ensure that it is secure. If we have learned anything from the recent immigration debate, it is that Americans have little trust that their government will honor a pledge to do the things necessary to make the border secure.

As president, I will secure the border. I will restore the trust Americans should have in the basic competency of their government. A secure border is an essential element of our national security. Tight border security includes not just the entry and exit of people, but also the effective screening of cargo at our ports and other points of entry.

But a secure border will contribute to addressing our immigration problem most effectively if we also:

* Recognize the importance of building strong allies in Mexico and Latin America who reject the siren call of authoritarians like Hugo Chavez, support freedom and democracy, and seek strong domestic economies with abundant economic opportunities for their citizens.

* Recognize the importance of pro-growth policies -- keeping government spending in check, holding down taxes, and cutting unnecessary regulatory burdens -- so American businesses can hire and pay the best.

* Recognize the importance of a flexible labor market to keep employers in business and our economy on top. It should provide skilled Americans and immigrants with opportunity. Our education system should ensure skills for our younger workers, and our retraining and assistance programs for displaced workers must be modernized so they can pursue those opportunities

* Recognize the importance of assimilation of our immigrant population, which includes learning English, American history and civics, and respecting the values of a democratic society.

* Recognize that America will always be that "shining city upon a hill," a beacon of hope and opportunity for those seeking a better life built on hard work and optimism.

Border security and our failed immigration system are more examples of an ailing Washington culture in need of reform to regain the trust of Americans. In too many areas -- from immigration and pork barrel spending to Social Security, health care, energy security and tax relief -- business-as-usual politics prevents addressing the important challenges facing our nation. "


now, that being said, if you look at the detail of the failed immigration reform act that was defeated a few months back, frankly the only problem I had with the bill was that it lacked TEETH for violations... but, it was a better bill than anything we've had before or since then... we've gotta do something, and if you think it will be an uncompromising solution you are just DEAD WRONG... something is better than nothing at all...

 

[duke1n]

It's simple... yield to business that wants cheap labor or fine the F out of them when they hire them. You're not going to round them up. If they don't have jobs they will boogy on out. McCain has other stances more concerning than immigration...

 

[bonz50]

Mac has an OUTSTANDING record on Justices... he fought and voted for all of the following very conservative judges: Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia, and even Bork...

this may be his most endearing quality to conservatives and they need to be reminded daily how important this is... there are 6 judges above the age of 68... it is entirely possible that during a McCain tenure he could select 2-3 justices for the supreme court... imho, this is WAY more important than any substantive disagreement I have with him... as it will affect this country LONG after he is out of office... do you want to risk possibly having up to 16yrs of democratic rule and allowing them to literally load to court??? this is perhaps the most overlooked component of this election and Mac has as good a record as ANY conservative has ever had on justices...

 

[duke1n]

What is your indepth opinion of McCain–Feingold?

 

[Sambo11]

I think some of you are missing the point here. It's done it's over it doesn't matter what you think of McCain. He's gonna get the GOP nomination so get over it. There are some things I don't care for that he does too but he is WAYYYY better than obama or clinton!!!

 

[bonz50]

What is your indepth opinion of McCain–Feingold?

well, the conservative leaning supreme court upheld it every time it has been challenged and it hasn't really been talked about for about 3-4 yrs now, nobody would even be thinking about it if not for a few of the radio hacks like rush or hannity...

again, while not a perfect way to enact campaign finance reform, it was WAY better than what we had before... my personal opinion is that the I don't like the 30 and 60 day rule, other than that, the BCRA seems like a fairly well reasoned piece and to get it passed it took some very good negotiating skills with the dems, that ability to compromise and reach consensus on important issues is something I like about Mac... he actually TRIES to get legislation accomplished, puts his name on the line, knows that something is better than nothing and also knows that you have to get buy in from both sides to pass it thru congress... BTW - did you know that conservative darling Fred Thompson voted for BCRA (McCain-Feingold)???? it wasn't a liberal only bill, but the republicans didn't have a filibuster proof majority when it was passed...